Subject: MAX Digest - 9 Dec 1999 to 10 Dec 1999 (#1999-353)
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There are 9 messages totalling 348 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Klarenz, Clarence, Klerensz...
  2. matrix6 editor. (2)
  3. Floating, Phloaghting, flowting...
  4. Max/MSP and Touch-tones (3)
  5. videotracking
  6. Motu 2408/324


Date:Thu, 9 Dec 1999 21:44:45 -0800
From:dudas <dudas@CNMAT.BERKELEY.EDU>
Subject: Klarenz, Clarence, Klerensz...

Peter Castine writes:
>P. -- a little zonked out, but otherwise holding up, thanks to
>opportunities for being silly...

silliness is what keeps most of us breathing from time to time.

Glad I could help you keep looking "on the bright side of l!fe."




Date:Thu, 9 Dec 1999 22:15:17 -0800
From:David Zicarelli <zicarell@CYCLING74.COM>
Subject: Re: matrix6 editor.

Nev <nwalker@MINDSPRING.COM> writes:

>There already is a Matrix6 editor which is part of the Galaxy Plus editors
>from Opcode.

Hey, I worked on that editor! I think that was about 1986. It has
these cool shimmering patch cords to show the modulation routings.
The main programmer was a Stanford medical student who worked on it in
his spare time.

David Z.


Date:Fri, 10 Dec 1999 00:59:08 -0800
From:dudas <dudas@CNMAT.BERKELEY.EDU>
Subject: Floating, Phloaghting, flowting...

I know this could be considered spam, but it relates to the lovely language
thread. And certainly it takes up less space than a max patch saved as
text. I'll let Chris M. decide if it's appropriate to post.

Thanks, Zoron, for mailing this to me.

After reading this, the silly little idiosyncrasies of Max syntax should
seem like a piece of cake!!!


Multi-national personnel at NATO headquarters near Paris found English to be
an easy language . . . until they tried to pronounce it. TO help them discard
an array of accents, the verses below were devised. After trying them, a
Frenchman said he'd prefer six months at hard labor to reading six lines


Dearest reader in creation,
Study English pronunciation.
I will teach you in my verse
Sounds like corpse, corps, horse, and worse.
I will keep you, Suzy, busy,
Make your head with heat grow dizzy.
Tear in eye, your dream will tear.
So shall I! Oh hear my prayer.

Just compare heart, beard, and heard,
Dies and diet, lord and word,
Sword and sward, retain and Britain.
(Mind the latter, how it's written.)
Now I surely will not plague you
With such words as plaque and ague.
But be careful how you speak -
Say break and steak, but bleak and streak;
Cloven, oven, how and low,
Script, receipt, show, poem, and toe.

Hear me say, devoid of trickery,
Daughter, laughter, and Terpsichore,
Typhoid, measles, topsails, aisles,
Exiles, similes, and reviles -
Scholar, vicar, and cigar,
Solar, mica, war, and far -
One, anemone, Balmoral,
Kitchen, lichen, laundry, laurel;
Gertrude, German, wind and mind,
Scene, Melpomene, mankind.

Billet does not rhyme with ballet,
Bouquet, wallet, mallet, chalet.
Blood and flood are not like food,
Nor is mould like should and would.
Viscous, viscount, load and broad,
Toward, to forward, to reward.
And your pronunciation's OK
When you correctly say croquet,
Rounded, wounded, grieve and sieve,
Friend and fiend, alive and live.

Ivy, privy, famous; clamour
And enamour rhyme with hammer.
River, rival, tomb, bomb, comb,
Doll and roll and some and home.
Stranger does not rhyme with anger,
Neither does devour with clangour.
Souls but foul, haunt but aunt,
Font, front, wont, want, grand, and grant.
Shoes, goes, does. Now first say finger,
And then singer, ginger, linger,
Real ,zeal, mauve, gauze, gouge and gauge,

Marriage, foliage, mirage, and age.

Query does not rhyme with very,
Nor does fury sound like bury.
Dost, lost, post and doth, cloth, loth.
Job, nob, bosom, transom, oath.
Though the differences seem little,
We say actual but victual.
Refer does not rhyme with deafer.
Feoffer does, and zephyr, heifer.
Mint, pint, senate, and sedate;
Dull, bull, and George ate late.
Scenic, Arabic, Pacific,
Science, conscience, scientific.

Liberty, library, heave and heaven,
Rachel, ache, moustache, eleven.
We say hallowed, but allowed,
People, leopard, rowed, but vowed.
Mark the difference, moreover,
Between mover, cover, clover;
Leeches, breeches, wise, precise,
Chalice, but police and lice;
Camel, constable, unstable,
Principle, disciple, label.

Petal, panel, and canal,
Wait, surprise, plait, promise, pal.
Worm and storm, chaise, chaos, chair,
Senator, spectator, mayor.:
Tour, but our and succour, four.
Gas, alas, and Arkansas.
Sea, idea, Korea, area,
Psalm, Maria, but malaria.
Youth, south, southern, cleanse and clean.
Doctrine, turpentine, marine.

Compare alien with Italian,
Dandelion and battalion.
Sally with ally, yea, ye,
Eye, I, ay, aye, whey, and key.
Say aver, but ever, fever,
Neither, leisure, skein, deceiver.
Heron, granary, canary.
Crevice and device and aerie.

Face, but preface, not efface.
Phlegm, phlegmatic, ass, glass, bass.
Large, but target, gin, give, verging,
Ought, out, joust and scour, scourging.
Ear, but earn and wear and tear
Do not rhyme with here but ere.
Seven is right, but so is even,
Hyphen, roughen, nephew, Stephen,
Monkey, donkey, Turk and jerk,
Ask, grasp, wasp, and cork and work.

Pronunciation -think of Psyche...
Is a paling stout and spiky?
Won't it make you lose your wits,
Writing groats and saying grits?
It's a dark abyss or tunnel -
Strewn with stones, stowed, solace, gunwale,
Islington and Isle of Wight,
Housewife, verdict and indict.

Finally, which rhymes with enough -

Though, through, plough, or dough or sough?
Hiccough had the sound of cup.
My advice is to give it up.........
-Author Unknown


Date:Fri, 10 Dec 1999 10:13:23 +0000
From:Michael Kieslinger <m.kieslinger2@RCA.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Max/MSP and Touch-tones

>The micro procssor looks for the
>low/hi outputs from the tone decoders and in in real time sends the info to
>the Mac serially.

hi ken,

it sounds very interesting.
do you have any circuit diagrams that you could publish to the list?



Date:Fri, 10 Dec 1999 10:39:36 -0500
From:Neal Farwell <nfarwell@FAS.HARVARD.EDU>
Subject: Re: Max/MSP and Touch-tones

My memory may be awry, but isn't there a touch-tone decoder in the MSP demo



Date:Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:01:05 -0500
From:Jeff Mann <jefman@UTCC.UTORONTO.CA>
Subject: Re: Max/MSP and Touch-tones

> From:Ken Gregory <kgregory@PANGEA.CA>
> >Is it possible to interpret touch-tone phone sounds using max/msp?
> >Does anyone know of any work that has been done using touch tones as
> >triggering device?
> >
> Hi
I have done this. What i did was build a DTMF decoder to serial interface
> with a Basic Stamp microprocessor and a bunch of 556 chips w various other

...or you can just use Peter Swinnen's "phonedecoder" Max object. Not
sure where it is on the net, but if you can't find it, e-mail me and
I'll send it to you.

You can buy a telephone-to-line input adapter at Radio Shack. But when I
tried it with my powerbook, I got terrible hum. Running off the battery
helped, but you might need to use some kind of better transformer
isolator or D.I. box.

> Go crazy man... just remmeber that it is basically ilegal to mess with the
> phone lines....research all aspects of this circuit before you hook it up!!

I don't think that's true anymore, at least in Canada, but if you screw
up your phone line you'll have to pay to have it fixed. Anyways, I've
hotwired phones with surplus 600 ohm 1:1 audio transformers successfully.


Jeff Mann - Information Consumer ___O___O__= -- >
"Tapping one's toe in time with a piece of music while sitting on
a modern carpet can induce +/-10 volt potential change on a can of
Spam five feet away."- The Amateur Scientists' Bulletin


Date:Fri, 10 Dec 1999 10:10:01 -0800
From:"Michael P. Whyte" <matrix6k@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: matrix6 editor.

>There already is a Matrix6 editor which is part of the Galaxy Plus editors
> >from Opcode.
....but why would I ever BUY an unsupported keydisk authorized editor?
three hard drive crashes and I'm out of luck...

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Date:Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:30:32 -0500
From:b1axae94 <drokeby@SYMPATICO.CA>
Subject: Re: videotracking

>I'm working on a sound/video installation piece and are thinking about
>using videotracking to control/generate midi, wich is then connected to
>MAX MSP.. =
>does anyone know about any videotracking software wich could be useful?

My softVNS is now available. See more info...

softVNS is released!
VNS on 604/G3/G4 PowerMacs with ATI XLCAIM VR 128 video cards
see :
David Rokeby
135 Manning Avenue, Toronto, Ontario Canada
phone 416.603.4640 / fax 416.603.4641


Date:Fri, 10 Dec 1999 23:57:18 +0100
From:"Bertram V. Dunskus" <bertram@IPF.DE>
Subject: Re: Motu 2408/324

Hello again,

I tried the new beta driver and cannot recommend it. Max says upon startup:

MSP ASIO Audiodriver: Searching for ASIO drivers...
Trying ASIO PCI-324...
=80 error: MSP ASIO Audiodriver: error 0 loading fragment:
=80 error: MSP ASIO Audiodriver: no ASIO drivers initialized
MSP: Using Sound Manager 3.5.1

So, I guess David was right. Now, if I could only find that prior version..=


David Z. wrote:

MSP does not support ASIO 2 features, but I don't think an ASIO 2
driver will fail in an ASIO 1 host, although I've never had the
occasion to test that assumption.


End of MAX Digest - 9 Dec 1999 to 10 Dec 1999 (#1999-353)