Subject: MAX Digest - 5 Dec 1999 to 6 Dec 1999 (#1999-348)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 00:00:00 -0500
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Topics of the day:

  1. MAX Digest - 4 Dec 1999 to 5 Dec 1999 (#1999-347)
  2. trigger-trigger-bang-bang we love you (3)
  3. Internet Live Performance (RealAudio Webcast)
  4. Complexity
  5. please assist me with my research
  6. max+reaktor
  7. MSP + DSP Factory? Audiowerk 2?
  8. smooth object lost in space
  9. Floating, lost ...

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Date:Sun, 5 Dec 1999 23:38:03 -0600
From:Gregory Taylor <gtaylor@MSN.FULLFEED.COM>
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 4 Dec 1999 to 5 Dec 1999 (#1999-347)

>From:Nick Rothwell <nick@CASSIEL.COM>
>Subject: Re: no sliders
>
>> Pd has to
>> be cool, like max, because Miller Puckette has weird hair.
>
>He didn't have weird hair when I met him. What happened?

Virtual dreadlocks? His Jaron Lanier bit floated high and got
stuck? His name anagrams to "Kepler cult item" (and you *know*
how wack ol' Johannes' 'do was....)? Oh - that's not hair.
Those are *brain ends.*

helpfully,
Gregory (bald greying stubble and all)

_
knowledge is not enough/science is not enough/love is dreaming/this equation
Gregory Taylor/WORT-FM 89.9/ http://www.msn.fullfeed.com/~gtaylor

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Date:Mon, 6 Dec 1999 01:17:20 -0800
From:David Zicarelli <zicarell@CYCLING74.COM>
Subject: Re: trigger-trigger-bang-bang we love you

dudas <dudas@CNMAT.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:

>Zoron and Xoaz almost always rely on the R-to-L ordering thing. It has been
>_completely_reliable_ for quite some time already (and using it
>additionally forces one to keep one's patching style neat and organized).

Yes, I believe the "last" bug in R-to-L ordering was "discovered"
about a year and a half ago in front of a live audience that included
Xoaz.

I use trigger to make explicit places in my patch where
right-to-left ordering is important. When it's not important,
I fan patch cords.


David Z.

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Date:Mon, 6 Dec 1999 11:36:55 +0200
From:Tom Mays <tmays@HOL.GR>
Subject: Re: trigger-trigger-bang-bang we love you

>Zoron and Xoaz almost always rely on the R-to-L ordering thing. It has been
>_completely_reliable_ for quite some time already (and using it
>additionally forces one to keep one's patching style neat and organized).
>
>(Yia-sou Zoron! hope you agree with this high-handed statement!)


Actually, I've grown quite 'trigger' happy over the years. It's pretty much my
second-favorite object after 'random'. I often use trigger for no other
reason than to avoid segmenting patchcords...

tzm

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Date:Mon, 6 Dec 1999 11:44:13 +0100
From:"Dr. Karlheinz Essl" <essl@EUNET.AT>
Subject: Internet Live Performance (RealAudio Webcast)

Tue 7 Dec 1999
11:05 - 1:00 p.m. MET

DA BRACCIO
interactive realtime composition for computer, live electronics and strings
Karlheinz Essl: computer performance
http://www.essl.at/works/da_braccio.html

Part of the KUNSTRADIO event "The Relative Violine" (Vienna) with John
Rose, Iva Bittova, Barre Phillips, Peter Courtemanche et. al. in
collaboration with the Western Front Grand Lux (Vancouver).

RealAudio live webcast - WebCams

http://thing.at/orfkunstradio/

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Date:Mon, 6 Dec 1999 11:36:05 -0800
From:Peter Elsea <elsea@CATS.UCSC.EDU>
Subject: Complexity

>> Send note offs before note ons, not at the same time. (Metro 300 feeding
>> makenote 90 300 is a prime example of this no-no.)
>
>I don't see why this would cause reliability problems, although it
>could cause problems depending on the device being driven. My usual
>trick is to put out velocity values using something like "0, 64" in a
>message box to keep the ordering explicit.

The problem we are trying to avoid is overloading the output queue. A note
off messge is just as long as a note on message, taking approximately 1 ms
to send. If you have 30 note offs occuring at the same time as thirty note
ons, the last note will appear 60ms late. If you have 300, OMS will
complain. You can always send note offs a bit early, as instruments have
some decay times even when set to 0.

>What's so bad about R-L

In the past, there have been strange behaviors, such as order changing when
you save a patcher. ( We used to have to select all, then move the entire
patch one pixel to get all the object coordinates updated.) This is fixed
now, but in my experience R to L issues are still the prime cause of patch
failures. This often happens to my students -- with a complex patch and
long cords, it's easy to loose track of the relative leftness of some
objects. I do use R to L, but only when the objects are right below the
message source.
Peter Elsea
Director, Electronic Music Studios
University of California, Santa Cruz
http://arts.ucsc.edu/EMS/Music/index.html
elsea@cats.ucsc.edu

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Date:Mon, 6 Dec 1999 23:33:07 +0100
From:Peter Castine <pcastine@PRZ.TU-BERLIN.DE>
Subject: Re: trigger-trigger-bang-bang we love you

On around 6=AD12=AD1999 10:17, David Zicarelli said something like:

>dudas <dudas@CNMAT.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
>
>>Zoron and Xoaz almost always rely on the R-to-L ordering thing. It has be=
en
>>_completely_reliable_ for quite some time already (and using it
>>additionally forces one to keep one's patching style neat and organized).
>
>Yes, I believe the "last" bug in R-to-L ordering was "discovered"
>about a year and a half ago in front of a live audience that included
>Xoaz.
>
>I use trigger to make explicit places in my patch where
>right-to-left ordering is important. When it's not important,
>I fan patch cords.

I would just like to note one further advantage of trigger over relying
on R-to-L:

Software maintenance. (In terms of Patchers).

If you take a working patcher, and decide things are getting so piled up
in one area that you'd really like to move that one object from over
_there_ to over _here_... well, you better know the R-to-L dependencies
by heart.

Moving a trigger is marginally less likely to screw something up.


Just a thought.


Cheers,

Peter

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Date:Mon, 6 Dec 1999 14:20:20 -0800
From:Elaine Walker-Mullen <miselaineeous@YAHOO.COM>


Subject: please assist me with my research

Hello nice MAX folks,

I'm collecting MAX "Fractal" patches that create music with
fractal equations. I was wondering if any of you could send email some Fractal patches to me if
you've come accross them. It's part of my research for Dr. Rowe's class at NYU (Music
Technology
Masters Program, Digitally Controlled Music Systems class). I'm comparing different ways of
using
fractals for composition in MAX, including my own fractal patch that I made in 1992.

I thank you all in advance for your help!

-Elaine
eam252@is9.nyu.edu
www.ziaspace.com


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Date:Tue, 7 Dec 1999 01:03:45 +0100
From:Robert Henke <robert@MONOLAKE.DE>
Subject: Re: max+reaktor

newton armstrong said in max+reaktor at 99/11/19Fri 23:02.

> is anybody using max with reaktor?


yes, on two different machines...connected via midi - timing ? lets say it has a very unique
groove

( i use max for sequencing and reaktor as synth / sampler )

rob.

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Date:Tue, 7 Dec 1999 01:06:30 +0100
From:Robert Henke <robert@MONOLAKE.DE>
Subject: Re: MSP + DSP Factory? Audiowerk 2?

Neal Farwell said in Re: MSP + DSP Factory? Audiowerk 2? at 99/12/01Wed 16:35.

> Does anyone have experience with Motu's AudioDesk program?

my personal opinion: horrible, very bad user interface.


rob.


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Date:Tue, 7 Dec 1999 01:39:57 +0100
From:Robert Henke <robert@MONOLAKE.DE>
Subject: smooth object lost in space

ooops, my smooth object (max external) has got lost somehow. who did it ? where can i download
it again ?
thanx in advance

rob.


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http://www.monolake.de
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Date:Mon, 6 Dec 1999 16:33:34 -0800
From:Dmitri Tymoczko <tymoczko@UCLINK4.BERKELEY.EDU>
Subject: Floating, lost ...

Yikes!

"iter" doesn't work with floats ...
the "max" message to coll doesn't work with floats ...

Who knows how many other objects don't make type conversions correctly, or
are pointlessly limited to handling data of only one type? This is
especially frustrating insofar as programming in max requires you to
memorize the function of dozens of (I almost said "silly") little boxes --
it just adds to the memory burden on the poor programmer that you *also*
have to remember that a bunch of these little boxes don't have the robust
functionality you'd expect them to have.

Especially now that MSP does everything with floats!

Dmitri

PS. I know that floats are evil and nobody's ever supposed to use them for
anything, but they really are useful sometimes. Like for math.

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