Subject: MAX Digest - 26 Nov 1999 to 27 Nov 1999 (#1999-339)
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 00:00:13 -0500
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There are 10 messages totalling 343 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. MSP + DSP Factory? Audiowerk 2?
  2. Save OMS! Sauvez OMS!
  3. [linux-audio-dev] [Fwd: Fw:Save OMS! Sauvez OMS! [ot]]
  4. powerbook audio problems
  5. Save OMS!
  6. what time is it/ UI + stability
  7. Power Pc Vers can't read Old
  8. keybang
  9. incmopatibilities: kensington-max/msp??
  10. problem with digi hardware

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Date:Fri, 26 Nov 1999 23:21:36 -0800
From:David Zicarelli <zicarell@CYCLING74.COM>
Subject: Re: MSP + DSP Factory? Audiowerk 2?

Neal Farwell <nfarwell@FAS.HARVARD.EDU> writes:

>Is anybody using MSP with the Yamaha DSP Factory?

A nice guy from Yamaha had a card sent to me for testing. I could
never get its ASIO driver to work with any software, including
Cubase. Then Yamaha wanted it back for some silly accounting
reason. That's all I know. I assume since I get fairly
regular e-mail from an engineer at Yahama with a new (beta) DSP
Factory ASIO driver that it would at least behave differently
now.

David Z.

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Date:Fri, 26 Nov 1999 23:24:52 -0800
From:David Zicarelli <zicarell@CYCLING74.COM>
Subject: Re: Save OMS! Sauvez OMS!

Stephen Kay <sk@COMPUSERVE.COM> writes:

>I heard a rumor recently that Apple was going to (or already did) buy
>OMS from Opcode. Wouldn't that be nice...

I seriously doubt that the petition would have started if Apple
was in talks with Gibson to buy OMS, since one would assume that
someone at Apple would be asking questions of Doug Wyatt, who wrote
all the OMS code. Since Doug Wyatt himself started the petition, I
assume he's reached some point of frustration with the lack of
action.

David Z.

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Date:Sat, 27 Nov 1999 17:04:50 +0100
From:Francois Dechelle <Francois.Dechelle@IRCAM.FR>


Subject: Re: [linux-audio-dev] [Fwd: Fw:Save OMS! Sauvez OMS! [ot]]

Thomas Hudson wrote:
> >Date:Fri, 26 Nov 1999 18:40:36 +0000
> >From:
Roald Baudoux <roald.baudoux@BRUTELE.BE>
> >Subject: Save OMS! Sauvez OMS!
> >
> >On the following website is a petition to save OMS from Opcode's wreck
> >which asks Gibson to release the source code to the public domain under a
> >license such as the GNU Public License.
> >
> >Il y a sur ce site une p=E9tition pour sauver OMS du naufrage d'Opcode,
> >p=E9tition qui propose =E0 Gibson de faire passer le code source dans le
> >domaine public sous licence de type GNU.
> >
> >http://sonosphere.dyndns.org/Petition
> >
> >Roald Baudoux

Dear all,

There is already a software that does more or less what OMS
does and that is free software, distributed under GNU Lesser
General Public License. It is MidiShare, by Grame. See
http://www.grame.fr/MidiShare/MidiShare.htmlfor further
information.

Francois

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Date:Sat, 27 Nov 1999 11:34:45 -0500
From:Roland Adams <serotonin@MEDIAONE.NET>
Subject: powerbook audio problems

>
> > The only real problem I had was with the analogue i/o, which is
>_very_ noisy
> > when running off the power supply,
>
>i found this also with my PB G3/400. i normally use a Mackie 1202 to
>feed the Powerbook, so i tried swapping over to my Spirit Folio and the
>noise went away - so i guess that i'm looking at some kind of
>shielding/earthing problem. i don't know if it's because the Spirit has
>an external PSU that it doesn't pick up all that processor noise, but i
>find it a little odd that the Mackie should be more of a problem than
>the Spirit. i'm using balanced leads as far as possible, with an
>unbalanced feed from the PB directly to an amp.

I guess by noise people mean hum, and someone already mentioned their
success in using a direct input box between the board and the
powerbook. You'll probably tend to get hum from ground loops if you
plug directly into the board in any slightly complicated sound system
with different power sources etc, so a direct input box, or really
any kind of isolation is what you need. Things with transformers,
i.e. passive direct boxes are the only things that can truly solve
ground loop problems, like the kind that ProCo makes. There are
still mixers with transformer coupled inputs, but they are more rare
these days.

>i presume that once i manage to get digital I/O then this will no longer
>be a problem (correct me if i'm wrong someone),


I've had good luck so far with USB audio on Windows laptops. Sorry
to go a bit off topic, but I wonder if anyone is using the Opcode DAT
port on a mac with Mac OS 9? Audio support has supposedly been added


at this point, but I wonder if this box works with it?


---<No one visits my web site.>
---<http://www.prettycolors.com>

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Date:Sat, 27 Nov 1999 12:16:51 -0500
From:Stephen Kay <sk@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject: Re: Save OMS!

Thanks to David Z. for pointing out that my rumor concerning
Apple buying OMS was probably krap.

I then went to the website and read the petition, which I
should have done first.

In any event, I strongly encourage all OMS users to go at least
read the petition, and possibly sign it:

http://sonosphere.dyndns.org/Petition

Stephen Kay

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Date:Sat, 27 Nov 1999 17:42:38 -0000
From:Nick Rothwell <nick@CASSIEL.COM>
Subject: Re: what time is it/ UI + stability

> >What is different
> >about these patches is that they're very interactive; they're listening
> >for 60 different types of midi controller info and 50 different keypress
> >combos, etc.

> I've often heard complaints about problems with Max's efficiency, when the
> problem is actually that the programmer has written an inefficient patch
> (not an accusation towards Kurt, just making a point).

The thought which occurred to me when first reading about this is that
keypress processing is presumably done out of interrupt, whereas
controller input is interrupt/scheduler-level. You could try pushing
the keypress events into interrupt at an early stage using delay
1/pipe 1. Clearly, I'm guessing here...

--

Nick RothwellCassiel.com Limited
nick@cassiel.comwww.cassiel.com
systems - composition - installation - performance

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Date:Sat, 27 Nov 1999 11:21:40 -0800
From:Amy Knoles <altmuse@EARTHLINK.NET>
Subject: Re: Power Pc Vers can't read Old

Hello!

I recently had my hard drive re-formatted, and had to re-install Max Fat 3.5.8,
I am now getting error codes that say: "Power Pc Version can't read old format
files", I also up-graded to system 8.6, I am using a Powerbook G3 233.
what should I do? These files worked fine with MaxFat before...
Thanks in advance.
Amy


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Date:Sat, 27 Nov 1999 21:24:59 +0100
From:Werner Funk <werner.funk@T-ONLINE.DE>
Subject: keybang

Automatic digest processor schrieb:

> Date:Thu, 25 Nov 1999 09:01:11 +0100
> From:
Kasper T Toeplitz <kasper@CLUB-INTERNET.FR>
> Subject: Re: analogue i/o

> ************************
> and a question
>
> does anyone know about an object I could use to make a bang when I press a
> key on the keyboard, and another one when depressing it (could be very
> useful to keep a gate, a send, anything like that, open only when the key
> is pressed - with two bangs (on and then off) there is always a chance to
> forget the second one....
> Kasper T Toeplitz
> Compositeur &
Bassiste Electrique

Is this what you mean? (press '1' or '2' on your alphanumeric keyboard,
or press SPACE, 'b', 't'

max v2;
#N vpatcher 61 46 463 419;
#P comment 251 157 21 196628 t;
#P newex 243 80 55 1441804 sel 116;
#P comment 34 156 21 196628 b;
#P button 27 303 15 0;
#P newex 27 275 29 1441804 t b;
#P newex 26 80 50 1441804 sel 98;
#P button 349 303 15 0;
#P button 296 303 15 0;
#P button 243 303 15 0;
#P toggle 243 184 15 0;
#P newex 243 275 117 1441804 bangbang 3;
#P newex 243 208 55 1441804 TogEdge;
#P message 288 240 35 1441804 stop;
#P comment 109 156 60 196628 both: space;
#P newex 135 80 50 1441804 sel 32;
#P user led 189 214 17 17 2 150;
#P user led 81 214 17 17 2 150;
#P comment 197 156 21 196628 2;
#P newex 189 80 50 1441804 sel 19;
#P newex 135 44 29 1441804 key;
#P toggle 189 186 15 0;
#P toggle 81 186 15 0;
#P newex 81 80 50 1441804 sel 18;
#P comment 66 156 18 196628 1;
#P comment 66 126 100 1441804 alphanumeric number keys;
#P connect 5 0 19 0;
#P connect 19 0 20 0;
#P connect 20 0 21 0;
#P connect 5 1 2 0;
#P connect 10 0 3 0;
#P connect 2 0 3 0;
#P connect 3 0 8 0;
#P connect 5 0 10 0;
#P connect 5 1 6 0;
#P connect 6 0 4 0;
#P connect 10 0 4 0;
#P connect 4 0 9 0;
#P connect 5 0 23 0;


#P connect 23 0 15 0;
#P connect 15 0 13 0;
#P connect 13 0 14 0;
#P connect 14 0 16 0;
#P connect 13 1 12 0;
#P connect 14 1 17 0;
#P connect 14 2 18 0;
#P pop;


--
- immer auf der Suche nach dem ultimativen Klang:
- toujours a la recherche de la delicatesse du timbre:
- siempre buscando al sonido sublime:
- always in search of the ultimate sound:

Klangwerkstatt Werner Funk Stuttgart

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Date:Sat, 27 Nov 1999 21:25:00 +0100
From:Werner Funk <werner.funk@T-ONLINE.DE>
Subject: Re: incmopatibilities: kensington-max/msp??

> Date:Thu, 25 Nov 1999 10:09:53 +0100
> From:
bshauf <bshauf@SIL.AT>
> Subject: incmopatibilities: kensington-max/msp??
>
> hi all,
>
> are there any known incompatibilities max/msp has with a kensington
> trackball? (apparently peak has problems with the kensington
> extension...)
> my setup:
> lombard, 333mhz, macos 8.6, 192 ram, max 3.5.9./msp bundle
>
> tha,
> boris

I am using the Kensington Tourbo Mouse trackball in Max/MSP without any problem.


- immer auf der Suche nach dem ultimativen Klang:
- toujours a la recherche de la delicatesse du timbre:
- siempre buscando al sonido sublime:
- always in search of the ultimate sound:

Klangwerkstatt Werner Funk Stuttgart

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Date:Sat, 27 Nov 1999 19:02:02 -0500
From:Alex Burton <burton-raw@ZEEP.COM>
Subject: problem with digi hardware

hello list,

i'm trying to get a digidesign 882 I/O (the 20bits flavor) running with
MSP. The system works fine with protools, so it's really an MSP/driver
thing...

the digidesign direct i/o is sitting besides Max. When starting up, i see
"trying direct i/o", and then "error -6011, using sound manager...".

this has been tried with the digidesign INIT that's included with max and
the one that was already there.


any place i can learn what -6011 means? Is it an MSP error or a Digidesign
error?

Thanks!

Alex.

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