Subject: MAX Digest - 25 Nov 1999 to 26 Nov 1999 (#1999-338)
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 00:00:04 -0500
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There are 14 messages totalling 462 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. inputetc...
  2. 2bangs (2)
  3. Kensington Trackball
  4. PB noisy sound out
  5. groove object
  6. nothing is Ethernal [stack overflow]
  7. Save OMS! Sauvez OMS! (2)
  8. What time is it?
  9. clickless groove~, phasor~ sync
  10. PBTypeII PC Cards PCMCIA & CardBus
  11. bangs from keys
  12. MSP + DSP Factory? Audiowerk 2?

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Date:Fri, 26 Nov 1999 16:41:39 +1100
From:"Sensor.E Overlobe" <overt@OVERLOBE.COM>
Subject: inputetc...

sorry if o/t

>Thanks Eric, I think you nailed this one. To interface with my Roland
>MCR-8
>midi controller, I was using 60 seperate ctlin objects! I've just tried
>gating
>and routing a single one, and the patch seems much happier.

multiple controllers + speedlim = ++good.

i haven'thad much problems with my MCR-8 crashing midi , but rather the
other way.. sometimes the mcr-8 will crash itself.. and have to be
reset.(quickly turn off/on and hope no notes hang;-). (esp when in generic
midi mixer map& midi i/o mode) any other mcr8 users get this?

>does anyone know about an object I could use to make a bang when I press a
>key on the keyboard, and another one when depressing it

togedge ?


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Date:Fri, 26 Nov 1999 08:42:20 +0100
From:Kasper T Toeplitz <kasper@CLUB-INTERNET.FR>
Subject: 2bangs

>> does anyone know about an object I could use to make a bang when I press =
a


>> key on the keyboard, and another one when depressing it (could be very
>> useful to keep a gate, a send, anything like that, open only when the key
>> is pressed - with two bangs (on and then off) there is always a chance to
>> forget the second one....
> >Kasper T Toeplitz

>Unless I'm misunderstanding your question, this seems pretty straightforwar=
d.
>You can use the velocity of the key(s) to open/close a gate.

Sorry - I was thinking about the MACINTOSH keyboard=8A=8A
Kasper T Toeplitz
Compositeur &Bassiste Electrique

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Date:Fri, 26 Nov 1999 11:00:11 +0000
From:lawrence casserley <leo@CHILTERN.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Kensington Trackball

I have been using a Kensington trackball with my G3 running MAX/mspever
since I got it (early last year) with no problems at all. Haven't tried peek
though.

Best

Lawrence

PS Sounds like those analogue I/O on PB problems are pretty general. It
certainly sounds like some kind of interference problem, but I haven't found
a consistent solution - some of the ideas others have suggested work some of
the time, but nothing seems to work all the time - and the noise is simply
unacceptable in _any_ circumstance IMV.

--
Lawrence CasserleyLawrence Electronic Operations
leo@chiltern.demon.co.ukTel: +44 1494 481381FAX: +44 1494 481454
www.chiltern.demon.co.uk

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> are there any known incompatibilities max/msp has with a kensington
> trackball? (apparently peak has problems with the kensington
> extension...)
> my setup:
> lombard, 333mhz, macos 8.6, 192 ram, max 3.5.9./msp bundle

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Date:Fri, 26 Nov 1999 08:12:36 +0100
From:"Dr. Karlheinz Essl" <essl@EUNET.AT>
Subject: Re: PB noisy sound out

After experimenting a lot with various methods I found out that the best
way to avoid noise on PowerBooks audio-out is to use either a DI-Box or a
so-called "Ground Loop Isolator Cable" that can be found for a few bucks at
RadioShack.

Best,


Dr. Karlheinz Essl


composition - performance - improvisation
Studio for Advanced Music and Media Technology (Austria)
http://www.essl.at

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Date:Fri, 26 Nov 1999 12:35:15 +0100
From:Juergen Lange <lange@HFMDD.DE>
Subject: groove object

I'm new in using MSP and have a question about the groove object.
Why plays the groove object in tutorial 14 (Sample playback with loops)
only the left channel? In tutorial 16 (Record and play AIFF files) the
sfplay object plays both channels of the same audio files.
Thank you for your help.

Juergen

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Date:Sat, 27 Nov 1999 16:58:13 +0100
From:PerMagnus Lindborg <per.lindborg@NOTAM.UIO.NO>
Subject: nothing is Ethernal [stack overflow]

In response to the Eternal Question by Adam Green:

<Anyone know how to get round an eternal stack overflow? It's triggered
off by a loadbang when the patch is opened
The patch isn't saved as text
the patch is too big [for MAX text editor]>

--You can use BBEdit to open big text documents. Then do a search for
the letter combination loadbang and once it is found, change it for
something else (ie, non-MAX-object-name) and save. When you open the
document in MAX, your overflow-causing loadbang will be a harmless Bogus

object.

Downloads of the free BBE Lite can be found at
ftp://ftp.barebones.com/pub/freeware/BBEdit_Lite_4.6.smi.bin

PerMagnus

PS Do not try this using Word (at least not v5.1); MAX won't recognise
it.

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Date:Fri, 26 Nov 1999 18:40:36 +0000
From:Roald Baudoux <roald.baudoux@BRUTELE.BE>
Subject: Save OMS! Sauvez OMS!

On the following website is a petition to save OMS from Opcode's wreck
which asks Gibson to release the source code to the public domain under a
license such as the GNU Public License.

Il y a sur ce site une p=E9tition pour sauver OMS du naufrage d'Opcode,
p=E9tition qui propose =E0 Gibson de faire passer le code source dans le
domaine public sous licence de type GNU.

http://sonosphere.dyndns.org/Petition

Roald Baudoux

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Date:Fri, 26 Nov 1999 18:55:52 +0000


From:Roald Baudoux <roald.baudoux@BRUTELE.BE>
Subject: Re: What time is it?

> BTW, as David Z. told us a long time ago, there is nothing that he can do
> to improve Max timing, as long as Apple doesn't decide to build more
> musical hardware.

Well, Max for BeOS should be a serious reason for Apple to wake up if BeOS
is so time-accurate as it claims to be. When is it expected?

Roald Baudoux

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Date:Fri, 26 Nov 1999 12:26:59 -0700
From:jhno <ear@SIRIUS.COM>
Subject: clickless groove~, phasor~ sync

>Jhno, have you tried out your suggestion of using phasor~ as a master sync
>source?

yes, you can use phasor~ sync in many different ways. i made a very simple
16-step audio-rate sequencer as an example. it demonstrates some of the
benefits of sample-accuracy... :) it is at the url below.

also, since everyone has been talking about groove~, i threw together a
couple of objects that might be of interest:

grooveduck~ works like groove, but ducks the volume at the loop point to
eliminate clicks.

groovefade~ also works like groove, but with a variable crossover at the
loop point. i still hear a click at the loop point sometimes - not sure
why.

both these are pretty rough sketches, but they work, and i thought they
might help people addressing similar issues. feedback, suggestions,
requests welcome...

here are the files:
http://www.sirius.com/~ear/audiorate.sit

>I tried to construct was a continuous
>loop (25-100 ms length) that can move through an audiofile.

discontiguous jumps in loop position will produce clicks. the solution to
smooth looping and smooth loop position modulation is to use multiple
playback objects (play~ usually works better for this sort of thing), and
crossfade between them as they take turns playing back loops. this is a
basic technique in granular synthesis. maybe i could put together an
example of this too... but i am supposed to be busy implementing
sample-accurate synchronization for all my pluggo plugins... :)

cheers
jhno

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Date:Fri, 26 Nov 1999 15:22:04 EST
From:Keith Cross <KeitCr@AOL.COM>
Subject: PBTypeII PC Cards PCMCIA & CardBus

In a message dated 11/25/99 9:03:51 PM,

<< i presume that once i manage to get digital I/O then this will no longer
be a problem (correct me if i'm wrong someone), but i suppose in the
meantime i should look at some kind of seperate power supply for the PB


and the Mackie (or keep using the Folio).>>

I'm spending some time in San Francisco (from U.K.) and I've bought
a Powerbook G3 333 MHz. Does anyone have any suggestions for a good PC Card
that will work with MSP?
Best Wishes,
Keith Cross

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Date:Fri, 26 Nov 1999 15:41:13 -0500
From:Stephen Kay <sk@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject: Save OMS! Sauvez OMS!

>On the following website is a petition to save OMS from Opcode's wreck
>which asks Gibson to release the source code to the public domain under =
a
>license such as the GNU Public License.

I heard a rumor recently that Apple was going to (or already did) buy
OMS from Opcode. Wouldn't that be nice...

Stephen Kay

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Date:Fri, 26 Nov 1999 15:41:10 -0500
From:Stephen Kay <sk@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject: 2bangs

>>> does anyone know about an object I could use to make a bang when I pr=
ess a
>>> key on the keyboard, and another one when depressing it (could be ver=
y
>>> useful to keep a gate, a send, anything like that, open only when the=
key
>>> is pressed - with two bangs (on and then off) there is always a chanc=
e to
>>> forget the second one....
>> >Kasper T Toeplitz

>>Unless I'm misunderstanding your question, this seems pretty straightfo=
rward.
>>You can use the velocity of the key(s) to open/close a gate.

>Sorry - I was thinking about the MACINTOSH keyboard

Use the key object to make a bang when depressed, use the keyup object to=

make a bang when the key is released. The following shows a gate being o=
pen
as long as the 'a' key on the Mac keyboard is pressed.

Stephen Kay
The MegaMAX collection of Max Objects: www.musikinetix.com/MegaMax/MegaMa=
x.html

max v2;
#N vpatcher 40 55 294 345;
#P newex 83 205 27 196617 gate;
#P toggle 83 183 15 0;
#P newex 83 158 35 196617 sel 97;
#P number 145 135 35 9 0 0 0 3;
#P number 35 134 35 9 0 0 0 3;
#P newex 110 107 34 196617 keyup;
#P newex 69 108 27 196617 key;
#P connect 0 0 2 0;


#P connect 1 0 4 0;
#P connect 0 0 4 0;
#P connect 4 0 5 0;
#P connect 5 0 6 0;
#P connect 1 0 3 0;
#P pop;

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Date:Fri, 26 Nov 1999 16:21:32 -0500
From:Robin Davies <robin@MUSIC.MCGILL.CA>
Subject: bangs from keys

--------------
and a question
does anyone know about an object I could use to make a bang when I press a
key on the keyboard, and another one when depressing it (could be very
useful to keep a gate, a send, anything like that, open only when the key
is pressed - with two bangs (on and then off) there is always a chance to
forget the second one.... Kasper T Toeplitz Compositeur & Bassiste
Electrique
----------------------------------
I created just such an object... Although this one's for notes on your
Macintosh keyboard, not a MIDI keyboard... This object also reports the
length of the "note" you just played, and the time since the last time it
was played. keytonote takes one argument, the ascii of the key you want
to use.

Save as "keytonote":

max v2;
#N vpatcher 377 90 699 329;
#P outlet 56 197 15 0;
#P outlet 236 197 15 0;
#P outlet 160 197 15 0;
#P outlet 119 197 15 0;
#P button 183 68 15 0;
#P comment 69 166 49 196617 frequency of notes;
#P comment 5 166 52 196617 start bang;
#P newex 119 11 27 196617 key;
#P newex 119 32 51 196617 select $1;
#P newex 183 11 34 196617 keyup;
#P newex 183 32 51 196617 select $1;
#P newex 119 155 39 196617 timer;
#P number 119 176 35 9 0 0 0 3;
#P user GSwitch2 119 116 39 32 0 0;
#P newex 119 94 39 196617 t b b;
#P comment 242 166 55 196617 finish bang;
#P newex 160 94 33 196617 timer;
#P number 160 176 35 9 0 0 0 3;
#P button 119 68 15 0;
#P comment 195 166 36 196617 length of note;
#P connect 15 0 3 1;
#P fasten 15 0 18 0 188 88 241 88;
#P connect 12 0 11 0;
#P connect 11 0 1 0;
#P connect 10 0 9 0;
#P connect 9 0 15 0;
#P connect 8 0 7 0;
#P connect 6 0 8 0;
#P connect 6 1 8 1;
#P connect 5 0 6 0;
#P connect 5 1 6 1;
#P connect 3 0 2 0;
#P connect 7 0 16 0;
#P connect 2 0 17 0;
#P fasten 1 0 19 0 124 89 61 89;


#P connect 1 0 5 0;
#P connect 1 0 3 0;
#P pop;

Save as "spacenote"

max v2;
#N vpatcher 268 338 448 491;
#P comment 90 84 35 196617 key up;
#P button 94 66 15 0;
#P button 40 65 15 0;
#P newex 40 42 65 196617 keytonote 32;
#P comment 48 28 47 196617 spacebar;
#P comment 21 83 50 196617 key down;
#P connect 2 0 3 0;
#P connect 2 3 4 0;
#P pop;


Robin

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Date:Fri, 26 Nov 1999 16:36:16 -0500
From:Neal Farwell <nfarwell@FAS.HARVARD.EDU>
Subject: MSP + DSP Factory? Audiowerk 2?

Dear All -

Is anybody using MSP with the Yamaha DSP Factory?

I'm intrigued with the idea of doing sound generation/processing in MSP,
and spatialisation/reverb etc in the DSP-F under Max-patch MIDI control.
This would be on a 8600/250, OS8.1. Presumably with Yamaha's ASIO driver?

As a simpler/cheaper alternative, current views on the AudioWerk2 card?

There's been periodically a lot of discussion of soundcards on this list. I
wonder what your "best pick" is for an MSP + other sound apps. solution?

(Maybe two scenarios: cheap, stereo + SPDIF; better but <$1000
multichannel. Korg 1212 was a favorite but is getting long in the tooth?)

If there's an FAQ on this please point me to it...

Many thanks,
Neal

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