Subject: MAX Digest - 22 Nov 1999 to 23 Nov 1999 (#1999-335)
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There are 16 messages totalling 450 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Caught in an Eternal stack overflow loop (3)
  2. event cards
  3. WaveRider
  4. Koblo synths/Max
  5. what time is it...
  6. groove~ sync output
  7. u/hslider problem (2)
  8. 4 channels out of a PB (2)
  9. MSP vs mac performa 6400
  10. December NY Max Users Group meeting
  11. folder listings
  12. corrupt graphic object

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Date:Tue, 23 Nov 1999 04:10:43 +0000
From:Adam Green <greena@TCD.IE>
Subject: Caught in an Eternal stack overflow loop

Anyone know how to get round an eternal stack overflow? It's triggered
off by a loadbang when the patch is opened and doesn't allow any time to
resume before the next stack overflow.

The patch isn't saved as text and I've tried 'open As text' to eek out
the offending loadbang or receive object but the patch is too big and it
only opens the first 30k. It contains the final touches on a massive
program that I need to get finished pronto and the thought of doing it
all again.... well there must be a way?
Can I convert the Max patch to a text file somehow to edit it out or
perhaps to disable the MAX scheduler/processing before opening the
patch?

Any ideas would be hugely appreciated.

regards to all you saints
Adam Green
mailto:greena@tcd.ie

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Date:Tue, 23 Nov 1999 16:10:03 +1100
From:"Sensor.E Overlobe" <overt@OVERLOBE.COM>
Subject: event cards

sorry if it's been asked before:

anyone using the event (DArla / Gina) cards w/ MSP?


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Date:Tue, 23 Nov 1999 16:50:54 +1100
From:Garth Paine <garth@ACTIVATEDSPACE.COM.AU>
Subject: WaveRider

This is really a question for David Z, but others may also have some
experience.

I am looking at buying a secondhand WaveRider Jr interface, but it
comes with MAX 2.5 objects, and I am wondering if anyone has used it
with MAX 3.x objects on PPC/G3 machine?

Do objects exist for MAX 3.5 - is anyone else using his interface?
Cheers,

Garth

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Date:Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:32:09 +0900
From:Rob <rmahad@OSK2.3WEB.NE.JP>
Subject: Re: Koblo synths/Max

When you were getting this glitching, were you writing to file simultaneously. I
had the same problem when writing to file on the same thread as the program
creating the audio stream for sound manager. (My own app, not max related.)
Though I didn't implement muti-threaded writing to file, I expect that would have
solved the problem. Instead,I disabled writing to file entirely and the problem
disappeared. This leads me to believe that it's a multithreading issue.


Rob.


> Date:Mon, 22 Nov 1999 16:45:35 +0000
> From:
Roger Carruthers
> Subject: Koblo synths/Max
>
> [Chris; sorry about the previous
version - new email prog c/w
> Microsoft feature bloat]
>
> I've created a patch to drive Koblo's Vibra1000 softsynth, which it does
> without any problems, but when I try to use the same app (or any Max app)
> with it's big sisters, Vibra 6000 or 9000, I get all kinds of clicks &
> glitches from the audio,the Midi timing goes haywire and the screen becomes
> very slow; when you record the synth's output to disc however, the audio is
> clean. Any ideas what's happening here? I've given both Max & Tokyo (the
> Vibra synth engine) plenty of memory and I'm using it with a 300MHz G3,
> running OS8.6.
>
Incidentally, does the presence of MSP (albeit only in demo mode), put much
> more load on the host machine's CPU or could it be in conflict with the
> Koblo audio engine ? If so, how does one uninstall MSP?


>
>

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Date:Tue, 23 Nov 1999 03:18:21 -0800
From:"|K<" <kent@SHOKO.CALARTS.EDU>
Subject: Re: what time is it...

>precedences. Finally, the mac OS dosen't allow very intimate access to
>the timing hardware, you can only make time manager calls, which is akin
>to asking the hotel desk clerk to wake you up at 7:00 AM precisely.
>Software timing is a mess, no matter what software and what platform.

that was absolutely the lamest and most bunk excuse for why the max
scheduler can't keep accurate time to the3 second, when the rest of the
world can sync to micro-seconds. the max scheduler has always been <IMHO>
useless for any kind of rhythmic accuracy.
EXAMPLE: connect metro(250)-->midNoteOut, record output and measure in
your favorite editor. not only are the impulses not 250 ms apart, but
they are not even consistently fast or slow. they are simply useless.

yes, software timing is a mess. yes, since the days of ISPW on NeXT MAX
has been wretched at keeping time. no, because the original architechts
of MAX did not consider the scheduler as important as most musicians would
demand doesn't mean that it isn't possible, there are many great pieces of
software out there which have accurate schedulers. it's just the price
you pay for having a cool graphic programming language with an open API.
"just buy a faster Cpu and you won't notice how poor the scheduler is..."

|K<
kent@music.calarts.edu

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Date:Tue, 23 Nov 1999 13:24:00 +0100
From:Johan van Kreij <j.vankreij@TELE2.NL>
Subject: groove~ sync output

Concerning groove~ and its sync output, some questions have risen. I use the
sync output to drive an envelope (cycle~), that is multiplied with the
output of groove~ itself, a quite regular setup. Yet I find the sync output
to have some jumpy behaviour when making short and varying loops. Does
groove~ update start and endpoint (int) when it has completed its loop or
are they updated when they are being received (and thereby rescaling the
sync)? I would expect the first to be the case, but when I record the sync
to a soundfile to examine its behaviour (because I hear clicks), it seems
more likely that the second is the case. The clicks could then occur because
the sync (envelope) does not always reach the endpoint in a straight line,
but jumps back or forth from somewhere in the middle. Could someone shed
some light on this issue, or give me a hint as how to make silent fades,
that is, without clicks.

Thanks in advance
Johan

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Date:Tue, 23 Nov 1999 14:45:23 +0100
From:Benjamin Thigpen <Benjamin.Thigpen@IRCAM.FR>
Subject: u/hslider problem

Hi,

Yesterday, I discovered (when the patch I was constructing in class didn't
work...) that the uslider & hslider objects dated 11 Feb 99 do not put out
their current value when they receive a bang. The older versions (23 Apr


97), however,work fine.

Can anyone else confirm this behavior?

Ben

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Date:Tue, 23 Nov 1999 23:50:46 +0900
From:Takahiko Suzuki <takahiko@SHOTGUN.PHYS.CST.NIHON-U.AC.JP>
Subject: Re: 4 channels out of a PB

Yamaha will release their mLan products soon, probably March 2000. mLan is
capable with 8 channels of 24bit 96kHz digital audio at this point and also
be able to transfer MIDI. The most imprortant part is mLan uses FireWire, so
that means it can be used with Powerbook G3 without expensive Magma!! The
price will be around 500 USD.

more about mLan can be found at http://www.yamaha.co.jp/tech/1394mLAN/.

TS


> At AES '99, I talked to someone at Digigram (maker of the VXPocket
> 2in, 2 out) and he indicated that they were working on a 4 channel
> i/o (at least) PCMCIA card. "Sometime next year" was the expected
> release date I recall.
>
> - David G.

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Date:Mon, 23 Nov 1998 16:15:47 +0100
From:Aron Lagerberg <aronl@HEM.PASSAGEN.SE>
Subject: MSP vs mac performa 6400

Hi...

I'm planning to get MAX/MSP and I was just wondering
how much power i would get out of a mac parforma 6400 w/=20
200 mhz and 90 mb RAM...?

Thanx-...

-Aron

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Date:Tue, 23 Nov 1999 10:30:08 -0400
From:Dafna Naphtali <dafna@ESCAPE.COM>
Subject: December NY Max Users Group meeting

Invitation:
The blow-out post=thanksgiving, end of the millenium
a.k.a. "next"..

NY Area Max Users Group Meeting

Wednesday December 1st
7-9pm
Harvestworks
596 Broadway Room 602
212-431-1130

David Gamper will be presenting his work with Max and MSP.

If you are in NY and can make it, please RSVP by writing to me at


dafna@escape.com.


Thanks,

Dafna Naphtali

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Date:Tue, 23 Nov 1999 17:51:39 +0100
From:Johan van Kreij <j.vankreij@TELE2.NL>
Subject: folder listings

Recently the subject was smart quotes for opening files from within Max.
Some hints were very usefull, thanks.

My question is if anybody ever solved the problem of getting listings of
files in a folder (any folder). The folder object says to do this but only
for folders contained in the Max folder. The ^-command to direct to the
startup volume does not seem to work. Maybe because I created for the Max
application its own volume. Also putting an alias of the desired folder in
the Max folder did not do the job.

What I want to do is, everytime I start up a patch, get an updated list of
soundfiles that are in a folder, at the same place as where the patch is, in
order to randomly choose files and play them. Of course I could make a list
myself, but there are too many soundfiles and the content might change.

Does anybody have a clue? Thanks in advance.
Johan.

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Date:Tue, 23 Nov 1999 20:43:08 +0100
From:Oeyvind Brandtsegg <obrandts@ONLINE.NO>
Subject: Re: Caught in an Eternal stack overflow loop

Adam Green wrote:

> Anyone know how to get round an eternal stack overflow? It's triggered
> off by a loadbang when the patch is opened and doesn't allow any time to
> resume before the next stack overflow.

Hold down the apple key while the patch loads,
this prevents loadbang from banging.

Oeyvind

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Date:Tue, 23 Nov 1999 20:46:08 -0000
From:Nick Rothwell <nick@CASSIEL.COM>
Subject: Re: 4 channels out of a PB

> At AES '99, I talked to someone at Digigram (maker of the VXPocket
> 2in, 2 out) and he indicated that they were working on a 4 channel
> i/o (at least) PCMCIA card. "Sometime next year" was the expected
> release date I recall.

The release date or the latency?

--

Nick RothwellCassiel.com Limited
nick@cassiel.comwww.cassiel.com
systems - composition - installation - performance


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Date:Tue, 23 Nov 1999 17:10:24 -0500
From:Todd Welbourne <tgwelbou@FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU>
Subject: corrupt graphic object

Hello there,
Can anyone clue me in as to how a graphic object gets
corrupted. I change the graphic name and it is fine for a while and
then becomes corrupted again (digital noise).. I am updating an old
patch (could this have something to do with it??) and notice also
that the patches default to "save as text". I change to "new format"
and all is well, but next time I turn on the machine the icons have
switched to Max 'text" icons again. Max 3.9.9 Blue G3 350. Any help
is greatly appreciated....TW


Todd Welbourne
University of Wisconsin-Madison
School of Music
455 N. Park Street
Madison, WI 53706
ph. (608) 263-1914
email: tgwelbou@facstaff.wisc.edu
web: http://hum.lss.wisc.edu/welbourne

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Date:Tue, 23 Nov 1999 18:46:00 -0500
From:luke <luke@WOOF.MUSIC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject: Re: u/hslider problem

ben--

i've had this problem crop up a few times. i also seem to remember it
suddenly manifesting itself after i did a max upgrade, but i didn't try to
delve further, and just used the following workaround:

my solution is to pipe the output of the ui object into an int box and
then bang the int box to get the most current value. this also gives you
the nice advantage of being able to put the u/hslider into the right inlet
of the int box so that your current values only get output when you want
them.

best.

/luke

On Tue, 23 Nov 1999, Benjamin Thigpen wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Yesterday, I discovered (when the patch I was constructing in class didn't
> work...) that the uslider & hslider objects dated 11 Feb 99 do not put out
> their current value when they receive a bang. The older versions (23 Apr
> 97), however,
work fine.
>
> Can anyone else confirm this behavior?
>
> Ben
>

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R. Luke DuBois


Graduate Teaching / Research Assistant,
Computer Music Center, Columbia University
e-mail: luke@music.columbia.edu
world-wide-waste: http://www.music.columbia.edu/~luke
phone:(212)-854-9266 (cmc - prentis)
(212)-854-7181 (cmc - dodge)
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Date:Tue, 23 Nov 1999 20:02:05 -0500
From:Stephen Kay <sk@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject: Caught in an Eternal stack overflow loop

>> Anyone know how to get round an eternal stack overflow? It's triggered=

>> off by a loadbang when the patch is opened and doesn't allow any time =
to
>> resume before the next stack overflow.

>Hold down the apple key while the patch loads,
>this prevents loadbang from banging.

Further to the above, =


>Can I convert the Max patch to a text file somehow to edit it out or
>perhaps to disable the MAX scheduler/processing before opening the
>patch?

AFAIK, you should be able to turn off the Max scheduler before opening
the patch, by typing command-period. =


Stephen Kay

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