Subject: MAX Digest - 12 Nov 1999 to 14 Nov 1999 (#1999-326)
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There are 18 messages totalling 679 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Sound Manager 3.3?? [ot]
  2. fastlane usb midi i/f (4)
  3. patcher window color
  4. Sonic Residues 02 - Call for Works
  5. Midi controller: Roland MCR-8
  6. midi-controller (2)
  7. MAX Digest - 11 Nov 1999 to 12 Nov 1999 (#1999-325)
  8. Sampling in MAX
  9. Re : Powerbook config for MSP
  10. Powerbook config for MSP/ Max on an iMac
  11. Bigger cursor for Timeline
  12. Slaving MAX's MIDI clock
  13. microphone
  14. Max editor

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Date:Sat, 13 Nov 1999 00:40:37 -0500
From:David Crandall <dcrand1@GL.UMBC.EDU>
Subject: Sound Manager 3.3?? [ot]

Sorry for the off topic, but I just got a copy of the new LiSA from Steim
but it requires "Sound Manager 3.3" which doesn't seem to be on any of the
regular download sites. Can anyone tell me where it can be found? Need
it for a performance next Thursday...


dc

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Date:Sat, 13 Nov 1999 01:00:45 -0500
From:Stephen Kay <sk@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject: fastlane usb midi i/f

=

>Hi
>I am getting max/msp running on my new 40mhz g3 powerbook. everything is=


Oh, man oh man do I want one of those!

Stephen Kay

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Date:Sat, 13 Nov 1999 01:00:49 -0500
From:Stephen Kay <sk@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject: patcher window color

>Is there a way to set the patcher window color to something other than
white?


>David Beaudry

Actually, no, unless you want to use some sort of background.
You might want to look at:

http://www.musikinetix.com/MegaMax/MegaMax.html

There are objects here you can use as colorized, beveled
backgrounds, among others.

Stephen Kay

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Date:Sat, 13 Nov 1999 18:40:15 +1100
From:Garth Paine <garth@ACTIVATEDSPACE.COM.AU>
Subject: Sonic Residues 02 - Call for Works

Please Excuse multiple postings

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CALL FOR WORKS

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SONIC RESIDUES02
A WEEK OF ELECTROACOUSTIC MUSIC AND SOUND ART EVENTS


A web of interactions defined by the score, the space, the time, the
performer. An ever-changing, ever-evolving, temporal event that
explains itself by leaving a residue; a fine mist of vibrations
outlining the web.

March 6 - 12, 2000.
Australian Center for Contemporary Arts, Melbourne


SONIC RESIDUES 02 is a week long festival of electroacoustic music,
sound art and installations.


=======================
Call for works

Garth Paine (curator) and Lawrence Harvey (Assistant Curator) are
calling for works that fall within two primary categories.

1) Evolutionary Pieces

These pieces will be established within one of several galleries, or
a garden space attached to the gallery. They should evolve and
change over a lengthy period of time (ie four to eight hours). They
may draw on audience or visitor presence as an interactive response
and they may use acoustic performers as part of the evolutionary
process at different points during the day. It should be understood
that these works will become part of a more complex background
environment and should therefore be written with consideration for
the other sonic events that will occur in the gallery, or in close
proximity, throughout the day.

2)Works of Finite Duration

These works are being sought for five concerts that will occur daily,
and twice on Saturday, March 11. Works should be not more than 15


minutes duration, and unless the composer can provide the hardware,
of not more than eight tracks (Tascam DA38 Possibly ADAT).

The curators are looking for a variety of work that reflect the
following four approaches to this genre:

  1. Works that are generated solely from text or voice-based material.
  2. Works that use found sounds, molded to create new sonic worlds
    that extend our notions of acoustic reality.
  3. Works that use exclusively electronically generated sounds. Sounds
    that do not draw on any naturally occurring noises as source material
    for their synthesis.
  4. Interactive works - works that allow you to physically engage with
    them through your movement and behavior to create and/or experiencing
    the multifaceted sound world of the work itself.

The Environment
-----------------
The overall theme is one of environment and interaction. There will
undoubtedly be a lot of interaction between the pieces occurring
within the space during the day. Works will not be separated by
soundproofing nor doors, so a reasonable level of cross talk between
exhibits can be expected. The curators will take the character of
each work into consideration when developing the relationships
between the works.
Interactive performance is encouraged and could take the form of
audience interaction, dance, movement, singing, text and acoustic
instruments. Consideration of Spatialisation is highly recommended.
It is hoped that an eight-channel dissemination system will be
available for the concerts.

No fees can be paid, however an APRA license will be current and
those who register their works can claim a performance royalty.

The deadline for submission outlines is December 30, 2000 All
submissions should include a detailed statement of required equipment
with an indication by the artist of how much of that equipment they
themselves can supply.

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Final recordings or scores must be received no later than January 17, 2000.
Scores should be accompanied by a recording of the work.
---------------------------

The objective of this event is to encourage a wider public interest
in electroacoustic music and sound art.

We wish to thank the Australian Center for Contemporary Art (ACCA)
for their generous sponsorship of this event.
Sonic Residues is generously supported through the 2000 Arts Grants
of the Cultural Development Branch of the City of Melbourne.

Please contact Garth Paine.
Telephone - 61 3 95720133
FAX - 61 3 95720153
E-mail - garth@activatedspace.com.au

Cheers,

Garth

Listen to some of the tracks from my latest CD at
http://www.activatedspace.com.au
See my MAP1 installation
http://www.activatedspace.com.au/Map1/map1.html(RealVideo)

,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.


Activated Space
. Composer, Sound Designer, Installation Artist
.. Interactives Designer, Exhibition Consultant
........ph. 61 3 95720133
.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.

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Date:Sat, 13 Nov 1999 02:51:03 -0500
From:Kurt Ralske <kurtralske@EARTHLINK.NET>
Subject: Midi controller: Roland MCR-8

>From:greg <grego@RHIZ.ORG>
>Subject: midi-controller
>
>hi, maybe off-topic ...
>i=A5m searching for a midi controller to handle all the possibilities of =
max.
>i found doepfers drehbank & regelwerk, peaveys pc 1600x, EES=A5s setcon
>and JLCoopers=A5s FaderMasterPro.
>all very different. does anyone have experiences with one of these
>controllers, or does anyone have good experiences with another controller?
>gg

I've been using the Roland MCR-8 for a few months. It took me a while =
to
warm up to it, but now I think it's an excellent MAX front-end. It's =
got nine
channel strips, each with a fader, knob, and two buttons. An A/B =
select
switch makes each of these do double duty, so you have in effect 18 =
strips.
There's an additional 22 buttons and a shuttle wheel that sends =
inc/dec values
and, when pressed, a midi note.

An added bonus is that the midi mapping is very similar to the =
JLCooper CS-10,
which means the unit is useable as a controller for Pro Tools! The =
faders and
8 transport buttons (stop play record etc) map perfectly.

The unit is compact, which is convienient, but also means the faders =
do have
a rather short throw.

I don't think the MCR-8 is still being manufactured, but I got mine =
at:
http://www.edirol.com/music_equipment/keyboard_controllers/mcr8.html

If it's any use to anyone, I can pass along a small patch that routes =
all the
unit's controller values to sends in a coherent way. It's nothing =
special, but
could save someone a few hours worth of "knitting".

Kurt Ralske

Kurt Ralske

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Date:Sat, 13 Nov 1999 10:05:55 +0100
From:"Dr. Karlheinz Essl" <essl@EUNET.AT>
Subject: Re: midi-controller

greg <grego@RHIZ.ORG> asked:


> i'm searching for a midi controller to handle all the possibilities of max=
=2E
> i found doepfers drehbank & regelwerk, peaveys pc 1600x, EES's setcon
> and JLCoopers FaderMasterPro.
> all very different. does anyone have experiences with one of these
> controllers, or does anyone have good experiences with another controller?

It depends entirely of what you want to do. Each controller offers
possibilities, but also has some limitations. Here are my personal
experiences:

* The PEAVEY PC 1600 has 16 wonderful long and smooth faders and 16
buttons, but is a really bulky stuff. Nice in the studio, but not on tour
if you follow the old Roman rule "Sapiens semper omnes sua secum portat."
(engl.: A wise men always carries all his belongings with him). You can
program it internally which is really not necessary if you use it with MAX.

* JLCooper sells a small fader box called "FaderBaby FM3" on their website
which is really cute: it measures 20 x 4 x 1.5 cm and has 16 faders (27
mm). I love it for touring for its little size. It has one big
disadvantage: it takes its power from the MIDI interface, and this would
not work for passive boxes like OPCODE MIDI Translator etc. So I am using
an outdated ANATEC Power Pack for that purpose. One could also solder a
MIDI cable which is connected to a 9V battery.

* Having used those devices myself during the last years, I recently bought
the ROLAND MCR-8 MIDI controller. It comes with 9 faders, 9 knobs, and lots
of buttons. Its pretty compact, and has the big advantage that it does not
need a MIDI interface. You can directly connect it with a serial cable to
your Mac (which - "naturgem=E4=DF" - won't work with USB machines).

BTW - there have been several discussions on this topic during the last
months. It would be great if some nice soul could collect them into a FAQ.

Hope that helps,
--- Karlheinz


Dr. Karlheinz Essl
composition - performance - improvisation
Studio for Advanced Music and Media Technology (Austria)
http://www.essl.at

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Date:Sat, 13 Nov 1999 09:56:43 +0000
From:david stevens <david@RESONANT.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: midi-controller

hi Greg,

i use the Peavey 1600x, and think that it's a great machine - easy to
use and flexible in its options. also, i think that compared to a couple
of other fader boxes in its price range, it's the best value for money.

david

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Date:Sat, 13 Nov 1999 10:06:18 +0000
From:david stevens <david@RESONANT.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: fastlane usb midi i/f

hi Lawrence
>
> I am getting max/msp running on my new 40mhz g3 powerbook.


i think you might need a processor upgrade to run msp:-)

everything is
> going fine except midi. I have a fastlane usb i/f and I have installed the
> latest oms 2.3.8 which is supposed to recognise usb interfaces - but it
> doesn't!!

though i haven't done much with it yet, i have a FastLane interface on
my G3/400 powerbook and iinitiallyhad problems getting the mac to see
the interface. after a bit of fiddling around, i did a complete
reinstall of OMS, with the midi devices that i wanted to use attached
and active. that fixed it. (by the way, when you install all the
drivers for the FastLane, amke sure that you don't install any Freemidi
stuff, and if anything gets installed remove it afterwards. I know that
Freemidi is supposed to tolerate OMS now, but i'd still get rid of it if
you don't need it, just to be safe).
i think that i also found that the FastLane was happiest if it was
connected directly to the computer, rather than to a hub. I can't check
right now as the mac had to go back! (connecting anything to the SCSI
bus prevented the machine from booting.
SCSI? Firewire? USB? - living in "interesting" times!

david

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Date:Sat, 13 Nov 1999 02:17:21 -0800
From:Erick Gallun <erick@EAR.PSYCH.BERKELEY.EDU>
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 11 Nov 1999 to 12 Nov 1999 (#1999-325)

>i=A5m searching for a midi controller to handle all the possibilities of ma=
x.
>i found doepfers drehbank & regelwerk, peaveys pc 1600x, EES=A5s setcon
>and JLCoopers=A5s FaderMasterPro.

I'm using an E-MU Launch Pad. Available on their website for $217 (usually
$500). It has five faders and a one-octave set of big keys. Dials set
midi channel and transpose the keys over ten octaves. Also a nice stiff
pitch bend knob. Sends more midi messages than I know what to do with :)


>We are about to purchase a Powerbook setup for running MAX/MSP and I was
>wondering
>if anyone has had luck with a similar setup.
>
>USB series Powerbook 333mhz w/ 128 megs of ram
>MAX/MSP
>MIDIMan 2X2 MIDISport USB interface
>VST external USB floppy
>OS 8.6 or 9

I do exactly this, except with 64 megs of ram and a SCSI zip disk. It
crashes when I ask it to load a 1 meg audio file or to send midi sequences
while doing real-time convolution. sometimes it just crashes with the
convolution. but I'm quite quite happy. With a realistic set of goals
and a reasonable number of real-time DSP computations I get very
interesting patches. Certainly enough for teaching a class in auditory
perception and making some fun music.

erick

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Date:Sat, 13 Nov 1999 12:56:45 -0500
From:Eric Singer <eric@ERICSINGER.COM>
Subject: Re: fastlane usb midi i/f


You need to install the FastLane drivers _after_ you install OMS, so it
puts the OMS USB driver in the OMS folder. Reinstalling FastLane should do
it, but check to make sure this driver is in the OMS folder in the System
folder.

Eric

At 4:22 PM -0500 11/12/99, lawrence casserley wrote:
>Hi
>
>I am getting max/msp running on my new 40mhz g3 powerbook. everything is
>going fine except midi. I have a fastlane usb i/f and I have installed the
>latest oms 2.3.8 which is supposed to recognise usb interfaces - but it
>doesn't!!
>
>Anyone have any experience to offer?
>
>Thanks
>
>Lawrence
>
>--
>Lawrence Casserley
Lawrence Electronic Operations
>leo@chiltern.demon.co.uk
Tel: +44 1494 481381FAX: +44 1494 481454

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Date:Sat, 13 Nov 1999 14:24:11 -0500
From:Neal Farwell <nfarwell@FAS.HARVARD.EDU>
Subject: Re: Sampling in MAX

Tristan -

I've been working on a multi-track live playback-from-disk app in MSP, that
has to preload into memory new files while others are still sounding. Seems
to work... So I would guess the answer to your first question is "yes" but
the hardest job will be managing your memory and voice allocation. To save
yourself time, have you tried STEIM's LiSa?

Don't know about latency for the MOTU box, but in general whether it
matters depends on the kind of gestural control you're using. I guess you
knew that... ;-)What's the application?

Best,
Neal


>I'm trying to design a multi-channel sampler in Max. I need to download
>files while playing others via MIDI. Does anybody know if Max can
>handle this well and what the minimum latency would be for playback (I
>would use the MOTU 2408)?

=========================================
Neal Farwell

Visiting Fellow in Composition

Music Department
Harvard University
Cambridge MA 02138

(617) 591-9478

nfarwell@fas.harvard.edu

http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~nfarwell


=========================================

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Date:Sat, 13 Nov 1999 18:36:00 +0100
From:Le Quan Ninh <ninh@MUSIQUE.NET>
Subject: Re : Powerbook config for MSP

mcconney said :

> USB series Powerbook 333mhz w/ 128 megs of ram
> MAX/MSP
> MIDIMan 2X2 MIDISport USB interface
> VST external USB floppy
> OS 8.6 or 9

I have a similar config :

PowerBook 400mhz with 192 megs of ram
Max/MSP
MIDIMan 2X2 MIDISport USB interface
OS 8.6

I don't use a VST external USB floppy but a USB mouse. As I and Zack told
already, we loose the mouse if the CPU use is quite high. But I don't have
problem with the MIDISport except that I was obliged to reboot many times t=
o be
able to use it ! But now it's fixed (I did'nt make anything, it has been fi=
xed
by itself...)

+[ http://www.musique.net/ninh/]+ ou/or +[http://ninh.fr.st]+
+[si l'adresse ninh@musique.net ne r=E9pond pas utilisez : ninh@fr.st]+
+[If the address ninh@musique.net doesn't work, use : ninh@fr.st]+

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Date:Sun, 14 Nov 1999 09:52:10 +0100
From:Kasper T Toeplitz <kasper@CLUB-INTERNET.FR>
Subject: Re: Powerbook config for MSP/ Max on an iMac

HI,
in response to:

>We are about to purchase a Powerbook setup for running MAX/MSP and I was
>wondering
>if anyone has had luck with a similar setup.
>USB series Powerbook 333mhz w/ 128 megs of ram
>MAX/MSP
>MIDIMan 2X2 MIDISport USB interface
>VST external USB floppy
>OS 8.6 or 9

and:

>The second
>problem is that once Max is on the iMac, will the MIDI still work
>through the USB ports (which are the only option) for the iMac.
>We've purchased a twin serial adapter that takes a USB port into a
>printer out /modem out port similar to the compute we are using right
>now.

and even a question I was asked a few days/weeks ago (don't remember who
asked for it)

YES, it's totally OK


I just bought a MIDIMan 2X2 MIDISport USB interface to run on both my IMac
and the (333) USB PowerBook (both system 8.6) - and it IS working very
well. However I found it at first a little tricky to set up the OMS/Midi
(but I almost never work with Midi, so I'm not really used to it); since
the MIDI's "First choice" device (for a noteout for exemple) is the first
in the list, which is alphabetical- it was sending (I belive) the messages
TO the MidiSport but not THROUGH it TO theYamaha, Roland etc
What I dit was simply to change the name(s) of the units (in OMS Setup) to
things like aYamaha, bRoland, well you see.

Ok I just found it but it's still documented in the manualBest

Kasper T Toeplitz
Compositeur &Bassiste Electrique

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Date:Sun, 14 Nov 1999 09:14:55 -0800
From:Keith McMillen <mcmillen@SIRIUS.COM>
Subject: Bigger cursor for Timeline

Hi All,

I'm using timeline live and need to see when in the heck am I? Anyone out
there able to make the play cursor about 10 times bigger? Esthetically a
mess maybe, but if it was big only when the timeline was playing, this
would be fine.

Thanks,

Keith

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Date:Sat, 13 Nov 1999 14:42:26 -0400
From:Steve Antosca <stevea@QUICKSILVERMUSIC.COM>
Subject: Re: fastlane usb midi i/f

>Date:Fri, 12 Nov 1999 21:22:15 +0000
>From:
lawrence casserley <leo@CHILTERN.DEMON.CO.UK>
>Subject: fastlane usb midi i/f
>
>Hi
>I am getting max/msp running on my new 40mhz g3 powerbook. everything is
>going fine except midi. I have a fastlane usb i/f and I have installed the
>latest oms 2.3.8 which is supposed to recognise usb interfaces - but it
>doesn't!!
>
>Anyone have any experience to offer?
>
>Thanks
>
>Lawrence
>
>--
>Lawrence Casserley
Lawrence Electronic Operatio=
ns
>leo@chiltern.demon.co.ukTel: +44 1494 481381FAX: +44 1494 4814=
54

Lawrence,

One possibility: be certain to install OMS before you install freeMIDI
for the FastLane. FreeMIDI will load its OMS/USB driver into the OMS
folder (which lives on the root of the system folder) but cannot do this
if the OMS folder is not present. if you installed freeMIDI first, delete
it and its folder in the system folder and reinstall.


Assuming that works, once OMS is open go toStudio:Add device per port=8A
and let OMS create a couple of dummy device which you can them
reconfigure as your MIDI devices.


steve

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Steve Antosca
quicksilver music
stevea@quicksilvermusic.com
http://www.quicksilvermusic.com
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Date:Sun, 14 Nov 1999 10:47:31 -0500
From:Roland Adams <serotonin@MEDIAONE.NET>
Subject: Slaving MAX's MIDI clock

Hi there, first time posting to the list, wonder what it does?

This is rudimentary question, I'm afraid. I would like to use an
external source for a master metronome. I see that its possible, but
only by using Apple's MIDI manager. I need background MIDI
functionality, so this won't work for me. Anyone know of any
objects? Suggestions? Thank you.


---<No one reads my e-mail.>
---<http://www.prettycolors.com>

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Date:Sun, 14 Nov 1999 18:07:02 +0200
From:Gilles BALLET <gilles.ballet@FNAC.NET>
Subject: microphone

bonjour,
I'm looking for a microphone for cello, has anybody experiences with
that?...
Thank you

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Date:Sun, 14 Nov 1999 19:43:47 +0200
From:Gilles BALLET <gilles.ballet@FNAC.NET>
Subject: Max editor

Bonjour,
could anybody help me to find something to edit an expander WS KORG
thank you

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