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Subject: MAX Digest - 8 Oct 1999 to 9 Oct 1999 (#1999-294)
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Topics of the day:

  1. depressing CP news
  2. Opcode ok?
  3. Chinese power for all the toys
  4. movie+ obj- IRCAM site, FTP
  5. groove~ bug, and powerbook speed
  6. coll quirk
  7. opcode future


Date:Fri, 8 Oct 1999 14:20:27 -0700
From:David Zicarelli <zicarell@CYCLING74.COM>
Subject: depressing CP news

It appears that there may be a new round of difficulties with PACE.
Machines with the ROM in memory (iMac, G3 Powerbook...bronze
keyboard, B&W G3, G4 etc.) freeze when launching any PACE-
protected application after installing the current version of
OS 9 (an unreleased "golden master"). In addition, the
version of 8.6 running on the iBook and the G4/450 and G4/500
will freeze when launching a PACE-protected application.

If you own a beige G3 etc., installing OS 9 is not a problem. The
G4/400 with the 8.6 is not a problem. (We've independently verified
both of these claims.)

More news as it happens...

David Z.


Date:Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:58:12 +0200
From:Peter Castine <pcastine@PRZ.TU-BERLIN.DE>
Subject: Re: Opcode ok?

On around 7=AD10=AD1999 20:19, Roald Baudoux said something like:

>Well, maybe this info : a rumor says that the added MIDI functionalities o=
>the new Pro Tools 5.0 have been implemented by a programmer who was part o=
>the Studio Vision development team not so long before.

I'm not sure that this says much. There is a lot of motility in the music
software field (indeed, in most software areas). I know one
musician/developer who worked at Apple w/the SmallTalk group, went on to
head the Sound group for a couple of years, then went on to Opcode, which
he subsequently left and I've lost track of him since then (aside from a
pair of e-mails entirely out of the blue). I can think of another fellow
who's early work was published by Opcode, then did some work with an
operation w/HQ in Albany, and now has his own company (and seems to do
some contract work for Opcode). Most people I know have switched company
every few years. I can only think of one exception: Tom Johnson has been
with Coda working on Finale for about 12 years non-stop. But he's in


American companies expand and contract pretty dynamically, depending on a
lot of things. One factor is undeniably financial health of the
operation. Even then, trimming staff is often what the financial doctor
ordered and results in a healthier company (the price for the laid--off
employees is uncomfortable, mind you). Apple's gone this route... what?
four or five times in its history?



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Date:Fri, 8 Oct 1999 23:20:01 -0700
From:Andrew Pask <pukunui@ATTGLOBAL.NET>
Subject: Chinese power for all the toys

In response to McGregor Boyle and all those venturing
to the Middle Kingdom.

I do not have personal experience of trying to
put a setup together in Beijing.However, I know a number
of people who have,mostly pop gigs and what have you.
Their advice, and mine from other electronic forays around
China and in other parts of Asia is: be prepared for anything.
Attempt to make your setup as flexible as possible in terms
of voltages and AC cycle rates and all the rest of it because
you just don't know what might happen.The guys I know who are
working in the studios there don't go anywhere without all their
UPSs and power protection and metering gear,that may sound a bit extreme,
but most of you will be amazed at how many different kinds of sockets
there really are,and I imagine you're about to meet most of them.




Date:Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:47:23 -0500
From:Chris O'Dowd <chriso@RIPCO.COM>
Subject: movie+ obj- IRCAM site, FTP

I perused the IRCAM site, but could not find movie+ obj, nor FTP site
specifically- could you give a more direct address for finding this object?

Sounds very similar to nato objects


> object to the IRCAM ftp site. I believe it has support for removing the
> border, or at least the title bar. It will definitely do scaling etc.,
> also skew and rotate (with QT Pro) and now supports QTVR, etc. Several
> of the features aren't covered in the documentation, so you might want
> to look over the source code (included).
> It's free for non-commercial use. Well, I mean, you don't have to pay
> any money for it. Other than that, contact David Rokeby.



Date:Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:51:50 +0000
From:Jeff Mann <jefman@UTCC.UTORONTO.CA>
Subject: Re: groove~ bug, and powerbook speed

> > When using a single channel of audio, groove~ works as advertised.
> > <however>
> > When an argument is given to specify stereo output, groove~ will not loop
> > (though it does play its one time through in stereo!)

You can't set the loop start point to 0., it has to be at least 0.1. I
never noticed that it was related to it being 2-channel, but you're
right. With one channel, loop start can be 0, but not with two.

> > I am looking for the fastest powerbook without USB ports to run MAX.
> This is the G3 300 MHz (Wallstreet). I bought it a few months ago, even
> generation, but without the 'bronze' keyboard... The fastest of
> this generation is 333 mHz G3 -- I have the 300 mHz model and it makes a

There was no 333MHz Wallstreet. The fastest non-USB powerbook is the
292, due to its 83MHz bus and 1MB of backside cache. It was also the
last one to come with a floppy drive included. There was a 13" screen
and a 14" screen model; the latter came with an 8GB drive.

Jeff Mann - Information Consumer ___O___O__= -- >
"Tapping one's toe in time with a piece of music while sitting on
a modern carpet can induce +/-10 volt potential change on a can of
Spam five feet away."- The Amateur Scientists' Bulletin


Date:Sat, 9 Oct 1999 08:34:41 +0300
From:Tom Mays <tmays@HOL.GR>
Subject: Re: coll quirk

>You have to use the "Get Info" command on the coll object, and
>check the "Save With Patcher" checkbox. It defaults to "off".

>This is, IMHO, perhaps one of the stupidest default settings in MAX
>(sorry David).

IIMAMHOTETIW(That would be "If I may add my humble opinion too
even though it's weird" in *normal* format as opposed to *save as
text*), the "save with patcher defaults to off" doesn't bother me as I
either have my colls read files or else use them as temporary buffers...
What *does* make me feel like a minority, though, is that when you save
a coll it defaults to binary format which is called "normal". If I'm going
to go to all the trouble to save a coll to disk, I want to be able to do
something with it there (like use multi-file search commands in BB edit
or whatever, edit them, look at their contents...). I think "text" would
therefore be significantly more "normal"...

Be it as it may, this could be another one of those feature enhancements
where David Z. tells me that I'm probably "the only one"...



p.s. that's "Keeping quiet until further motivated to do otherwise"

tom mays


Date:Sat, 9 Oct 1999 17:04:43 -0400
From:Nicholas Longo <71477.2332@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject: Re: opcode future

<Ok, this is speculation...

<Opcode just released Vision DSP 4.5 which is pretty much "au courant" in
<terms of featrues. And their web site advertizes employment oportunities.

<On the other hand, their shipping date for the packaged v-dsp 4.5 was
<supposed to be September 1, and it still isn't out.

<Either they're so alive they don't have time to update the website, or so
<sick that ditto...

<Real information would be nicer.

The "real information" is the rumor there were layoffs of key programmers.

Other companies have done this when their current projects were complete,
then hired new people for the next project. In the current high tech
employment market that makes no sense however. So my speculation is
this is Gibson cutting costs and taking cash out of the market to
cover their losses on other failed projects (such as ZIPI). There's
also heavy competition in the mature sequencer/DSP market. On the other
hand, MAX is a product that appears to be gaining in the market, given
the growing number of subscribers to this list.

Nick Longo


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