Subject: MAX Digest - 29 Sep 1999 to 30 Sep 1999 (#1999-284)
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There are 14 messages totalling 474 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Taboo or not taboo? (2)
  2. Support for the new digi001?
  3. Questions about Groove
  4. CHANT
  5. Phasemod~
  6. Q:Folder object
  7. Powerbook & 2408
  8. Digi 001
  9. taboo or not taboo (2)
  10. Help the newbie!
  11. G4 and floppies
  12. copy protection


Date:Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:03:40 +0200
From:Michael Wieser <m.k.w@MAGNET.AT>
Subject: Re: Taboo or not taboo?


There exists PD.

You can find it from starting a search this site:

I tried it, butdon`t understand it very well :-((

And I`m also looking for MAX running with windows

Michael Wieser

Service and Audiodesign


Date:Thu, 30 Sep 1999 04:49:06 +0100
From:TodorTodoroff <todor.todoroff@SKYNET.BE>
Subject: Support for the new digi001?


This is mainly a question for David Z., unless it has already been answered
and I failed to read that message.
I was wondering if the new low cost Digi OO1 Digidesign interface will be

I will need to have a MSP system left in the choreographer's rehearsal
studio for my next interactive dance project. She will buy a G4 and It seem=
like the Digi 001 has everything needed, including MIDI I/O at a very
attractive prize.

Any idea of latency and number of simultaneous I/O possible with MSP?


Todor Todoroff
Art, Recherche, Technologie et Musique asbl (ARTeM)
273, Rue du Progr=E8s
B-1030 Bruxelles

Tel: +32 2 201 13 51
fax: +32 2 201 15 46


Date:Wed, 29 Sep 1999 23:55:03 -0700
From:Keay <keay@HOOKED.NET>
Subject: Questions about Groove

Hello All,

I currently have a sound sculpture up and it is based on a patch
utilizing the Groove object. What this patch does is record for ten
seconds to the right channel and then 10 seconds to the left making a
20 second cycle. The loops are playing simutaneously with the
recording. Then there are manipulations to playback speed etc. This
installation runs on a mac 7500 100mhz with 65 megs of Ramm and the MSP
status window show 50% CPU utilization.

The question:

On this patch version I have noticed that a distinct lag occurs
between input of a sound and out put of the recorded sound from the
buffer after a couple of minutes. The patch clears the buffer every 5
minutes and at that the time the recorded sound comes back almost
instantaneously. Is this evidence of memory leakage or what?
Overdrive is off, by the way.

The sculpture has been very successful and this is not a major problem,
but understanding is desired. Any light any one can shed would be



Date:Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:43:51 +0100
From:Vincent Puig <Vincent.Puig@IRCAM.FR>
Subject: CHANT

>Date:Wed, 29 Sep 1999 15:45:27 +0100
Pedro Rebelo <ptr@HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK>
>Subject: CHANT
>Can anyone tell me where I can get CHANT for MSP?
>never seems to work!!!
>Thanks in advance,

Your location seems to be the right one but CHANT is accessible with the
ForumNet password given to Forum Ircam members.
Ask Edouardo Reck Miranda in your team for his password if he is still a

Vincent Puig
1 place Igor Stravinsky
75004 Paris
Tel: 01 44 78 49 59
Fax: 01 44 78 15 40
email :


Date:Thu, 30 Sep 1999 07:50:10 EDT
From:Eric Lyon <Eric.Lyon@DARTMOUTH.EDU>
Subject: Phasemod~

Nice patch Johan.
You can avoid the dropouts by swtiching the values
assigned to cycle~ and phasemod~. Running phasemod~
at subaudio frequencies voids the warranty.


max v2;
#N vpatcher 674 45 1110 558;
#P message 106 45 41 196617 0.3 333.;
#P newex 49 70 62 196617 unpack 0. 0.;
#P message 43 40 41 196617 333. 0.3;
#P flonum 128 96 35 9 0 0 0 3;
#P flonum 65 156 35 9 0 0 0 3;
#P newex 16 147 35 196617 sig~ 7;
#P newex 43 233 32 196617 pow~;
#P newex 128 148 29 196617 +~ 1;
#P newex 65 185 45 196617 sig~ 0.3;
#P newex 128 179 35 196617 *~ 12;
#P user ezdac~ 43 312 87 345 0;
#P newex 128 120 59 196617 cycle~ 333;
#P flonum 135 229 35 9 0 0 0 3;
#P newex 43 260 27 196617 *~;
#P newex 65 208 55 196617 phasemod~;
#P comment 175 229 25 196617 gain;
#P comment 164 181 100 196617 modulation intensity;
#P comment 188 121 100 196617 modulation speed;
#P comment 159 150 108 196617 to avoid crossing zero;
#P connect 13 0 12 0;
#P connect 12 0 5 0;
#P connect 5 0 8 0;
#P fasten 16 0 17 0 48 58 54 58;
#P fasten 18 0 17 0 111 65 54 65;
#P fasten 6 0 5 1 140 253 65 253;
#P fasten 17 0 14 0 54 99 70 99;
#P connect 14 0 10 0;
#P connect 10 0 4 0;
#P connect 4 0 12 1;
#P fasten 5 0 8 1 48 294 82 294;
#P fasten 9 0 4 1 133 200 115 200;
#P connect 17 1 15 0;
#P connect 15 0 7 0;
#P connect 7 0 11 0;
#P connect 11 0 9 0;
#P pop;


Date:Thu, 30 Sep 1999 07:51:14 -0400
From:jmw <evening@ULSTER.NET>
Subject: Q:Folder object

Hi all,

I'm back Maxing after a few months...and of course I have a question.

Can the folder object scan folders outside of the Startup volume? I tend to
keep all of my AIFF files on a HD separate from my apps.
Also is there an external that would allow me to see all files types rather
than the one specified by the "types" message?

I've checked the archive and seen the question asked previously, but didn't
come across an answer.

thanks in advance,



Date:Wed, 29 Sep 1999 22:28:07 +0200
From:David Prior <d.j.prior@BHAM.AC.UK>
Subject: Powerbook & 2408

>From a Max newbie:

can anybody tell me if it is possible to run a motu 2408 with a
powerbook, if so what additional hardware would be required and what
would be the best powerbook model to go for on a budget.

David Prior


Date:Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:58:39 +1200
From:John Young <John.Young@VUW.AC.NZ>
Subject: Digi 001

Does anyone have any info on specs on the Digi 001, as far as latency is

I understand there's a www site somewhere with latency specs for many sound
cards - grateful if someone can point me to that.

Dr John YoungEmail:
Director of Electroacoustic Music StudiosVoice: +64 4 463-5864
School of MusicFax: +64 4 463-5157
Victoria University of Wellington
PO Box 600, Wellington


Date:Wed, 29 Sep 1999 23:54:51 -0700
From:David Zicarelli <zicarell@SOUNDFLOWER.COM>
Subject: Re: taboo or not taboo

filip <filip@RHIZ.ORG> writes:

>where msp stands for miller s. puckette, although i got no
>idea, what the s means.

I think it stands for Smith.

David Z.


Date:Thu, 30 Sep 1999 21:21:02 +0200
From:Peter Castine <pcastine@PRZ.TU-BERLIN.DE>
Subject: Re: Taboo or not taboo?

"dominique.david5" <dominique.david5@LIBERTYSURF.FR> writes:
>>but unfortunately, my
>>organisation decided two years ago that only PC platforms are allowed in =
>>lab. So, "comment faire" ?

To which, on around 29=AD9=AD99 18:17, David Zicarelli said something like:
>I would get another job if my employer prevented me from working on
>a Macintosh.

Comment faire?

As a first step, I would try explaining to management that requiring
project development to run on Windows is adding X thousand FF to
development cost and that with the current availability of software it is
delaying project development by 6-12 months.

If that doesn't convince management to reconsider policy, I would tell
him/her/it in no uncertain terms that he/she/it is has as much
intelligence as desiccated hamster diarrhea.

At which point I would be in the situation that David suggests.-}

There are occasions when I am glad I am self-employed. Thank you to
Dominique for reminding me of this.



Dr. Peter Castine| I am very pleased to announce that the
4-15 Music & Technology| 26th International Computer Music Conference
| will take place in Berlin in the year 2000.
| We look forward to seeing you here!


Date:Thu, 30 Sep 1999 21:21:10 +0200
From:Peter Castine <pcastine@PRZ.TU-BERLIN.DE>
Subject: Re: Help the newbie!

On around 29=AD9=AD99 18:35, David Zicarelli said something like:

>I've never thought of myself as a professional, and I'll confess
>that, unless Miller did it, no one ever registered "max2" as
>a creator type with Apple. At this point I'm scared to try.

Actually, I always wondered about the 'max2' creator. All-lowercase
creators are reserved by Apple for Apple's use only. I _think_

all-lowercase with digits/punctuation are also reserved territory. I had
assumed that Opcode (by grace of its=8Bahem=8Bintimate relation to Apple) w=
granted a special blessing to use what ought to have been an Apple
creator code.

Maybe I should try to reserve the creator myself and then sell it to
Opcode for an outrageous sum of money. Unfortunately, this form of
unscrupulousness isn't my style, but twenty people will be trying it in
the next hour...

As for David's professionalism: JamFactory, M, OvalTune, "polishing" and
maintaining Max, MSP, the early Opcode Ed/Libs (as I seem to recall),
...what have I forgotten?

Like it or not, David, I think you better face facts.-)



Dr. Peter Castine| I am very pleased to announce that the
4-15 Music & Technology| 26th International Computer Music Conference
| will take place in Berlin in the year 2000.
| We look forward to seeing you here!


Date:Thu, 30 Sep 1999 21:21:12 +0200
From:Peter Castine <pcastine@PRZ.TU-BERLIN.DE>
Subject: Re: taboo or not taboo

On around 29=AD9=AD99 19:24, filip said something like:

>where msp stands for miller s. puckette, although i got no
>idea, what the s means.


Only the Puckette family knows for sure, and they may not be talking.

Reminds me, though (quite tangentially) of what Maynard G. Krebs' middle
initial stood for...



Peter -- showing his age...

Dr. Peter Castine| I am very pleased to announce that the
4-15 Music & Technology| 26th International Computer Music Conference
| will take place in Berlin in the year 2000.
| We look forward to seeing you here!


Date:Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:00:14 -0700
From:David Zicarelli <zicarell@SOUNDFLOWER.COM>
Subject: G4 and floppies

While I was in New York for the AES convention, I learned from
our friends at PACE that the "USB Floppy Enabler" software
that we distribute with our packaged software that allows for
key disk authorization does not work on a G4. Well, it works
fine on the G4, but the installer won't actually install it
because it wants only to install the software on a G3. So if
you have a G4 and want to authorize PACE protected software
on it using a USB floppy drive, contact me and I'll get you
the enabler extension itself, which you can just drag into your
Extensions folder. Argggggh!

David Z.


Date:Fri, 1 Oct 1999 08:41:05 +1000
From:Garth Paine <garth@ACTIVATEDSPACE.COM.AU>
Subject: copy protection

>friends at PACE

Isn't that an oxymoron?

>authorize PACE protected software

In the last 2 months I have done installation pieces in New Zealand
and in Berlin. On both occasions I had to install MAX to refine the
patch to the space before making an .app out of it to run for the
exhibition period. On both occasions I was using macs that were
running 8.5 or 8.6. I have the newer floppy for OS8, and on both
occasions I had no trouble installation the authorisation, but the
de-authorisation would not see the installed authorisation when it
came time to pack up and go home, so I was unable to reclaim my
authorisations. In Berlin, I tried booting of different versions of
OS8, but it made no difference. I know I am not the first one to
make this observation. It really is time that this whole situation
was sorted out. These problems are not so prevalent with other
applications, so why must the MAX community continue to be tormented
by this completely ridiculous system. Lets face it, there are cracks
of MAX out there, and this copy protection system only makes it worse
by giving people more incentive to bypass the system.

I want my installs back!!!!



Check out some of the tracks off my CD "Escape Velocity"
Activated Space
. Composer, Sound Designer, Installation Artist
.. Interactives Designer, Exhibition Consultant 61 3 95720133



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