Subject: MAX Digest - 8 Aug 1999 to 9 Aug 1999 (#1999-237)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 00:00:11 -0400
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There are 14 messages totalling 425 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. PC-1600 (2)
  2. max and tv mirror (2)
  3. MIDI controllers (2)
  4. Controllers
  5. one power glove / gold brick available
  6. File out
  7. performer friendly control-boxes
  8. controllers (2)
  9. tapin~/tapout~
  10. timing


Date:Sun, 8 Aug 1999 21:16:12 PDT
From:Chris Tignor <ctignor@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: PC-1600

Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:10:45 -0600
James McCartney <asynth@IO.COM>
>Subject: Re: Controllers...
> >From:
Robert Henke <imbalance@BERLIN.SNAFU.DE>
> >
> >Stephen Kay said in Controllers... at 05/Aug/1999, Thu 18:56:38.
> >
> >> I'm not sure about the double-precision Xbend values, but I have a
> >> Peavey PC-1600, and like it very much.
> >
> >No Stephen! no ! no !!!!! It`s bad ugly and evil. Yes. It has the most
> >horrible user interface i have ever seen im my whole live ( and i own a =
> >pcm
> >80...) How can so many arrow buttons, page, exit,enter buttons be so
> >unintuitive. If hell exists , than it looks like this.
>I agree. The one I like is where you have to press "enter" to exit one
>of the screens even though there is an "exit" key.. ..but that one
>doesn't do it.
--- james
>If you have a PowerMac check out SuperCollider2, a real time synth program:
Um, didn't your box come with a manual?

The 1600 is one of the best, down-to-earth, impressively functional
midi tools available. I have the 1600x, the current model, it took me all
of 10 minutes to figure out what was up.


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Date:Mon, 9 Aug 1999 00:39:09 -0400
From:David Crandall <dcrand1@GL.UMBC.EDU>
Subject: Re: max and tv mirror

On Sun, 8 Aug 1999, Otto Henry wrote:

> I have a ppc 8500 with video in and out. Nothing will come out onto my
> recorder. Video in OK. In order to get the screen to go out to my vhr,
> the mac help says to enable the tv mirror options in my control strip.
> OK, but this prg does not appear on my CS. and although I have located
> it (along with 16 other CS modules)
I cannot get it onto the CS or get
> it (or several others)
to load and work. Duh. Apple support or manuals
> are no help.

What system version are you using? I have an appointment with someone next
week who has a similar problem, and won't know till I see the machine, but
early indications were something about making sure the system sw was
correctly supporting the video mirroring.

Just to get the painfully obvious question out of the way, you did
manually (if by no other means) move the CD module into the Control Strip
Modules folder (inside System folder), right?



Date:Mon, 9 Aug 1999 01:17:34 -0400
From:Kurt Ralske <kurtralske@EARTHLINK.NET>
Subject: Re: MIDI controllers

>any others out there? this could be a faq item...

The Roland MCR-8 is still available at:

I got one of these last week...seems probably not the ultimate MAX
front-end, but a useful unit with some nice features

Kurt Ralske


Date:Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:51:53 +0200
From:Reinhold Braig <reinhold.braig@SWR-ONLINE.DE>
Subject: Controllers

about the Peavey 1600:

A good thing about this box is:
you can open it and rewire the buttons for external devices (16 switches !
etc.) and also the internal faders (which work from 0 - 5 Volt) for
external CV to MIDI.

rein HOLD

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...Heinrich-Strobel-Stiftung des SWR e.V, Freiburg, Germany.
...><bald auch><><soon><.


Date:Mon, 9 Aug 1999 02:53:10 -0700
From:jhno <ear@SIRIUS.COM>
Subject: one power glove / gold brick available

there was a recent inquiry here about the nintendo power glove / gold brick
combo. this reminded me that i have such a setup, which i never use. i dug
them out and they still work fine...

so, if someone is interested in buying these from me, send me email. it is
the gold brick 2 "nugget", and a size large power glove. i have the max
object, too. in fact, it is all installed on my old powerbook 170, a
classic max machine - which i also no longer use. if you want the powerbook
too, let me know. :)

sorry for the commercial nature of this post, but i know there are max
people out there looking for these things.



Date:Mon, 9 Aug 1999 14:06:52 +0200
From:Peter Swinnen <peter.swinnen@PING.BE>
Subject: Re: File out

Dear Maxers,

Georg Hajdu wrote:

> It would be great if someone wrote a file-select object that returns the
> name of *and* the path to a selected object.

This is exactly what my <filename> object does. It lets jou select a file and
outputs its full path. You can download the latest version from the Software
section of my website:

Happy Maxing
Peter Swinnen
Composer(from Belgium)


Date:Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:38:45 +0200
From:Michael Kieslinger <michael@MEDIALAB.ERICSSON.SE>
Subject: performer friendly control-boxes


let me address an issue about control boxes, that is quite interesting.
all of the control-boxes, that were mentioned here so far, have on thing in
common: they come in a fixed design and often have a pure usability.
because of that it happens that the composer/performer has to adjust to the
control-box instead of the control-box to the composer/perfomer.
just imagine max having a fixed set of vertical sliders and buttons in each
patch, that you can't change. impossible to think of. it wouldn't be max.
but we find exactly this form of predefinition in the commercial available
for example the flexi-pad of tamas ungvary that he developed for his
SensOrg, is not having this fixed settings.

he can define how much faders, buttons or leds he wants to put on each pad,
andarrange all the elements (with the help of magnets) on the pad
according to the piece. all the routing, mapping and storing of MIDI
paramters is happening within max, since it is much easier to modify
settings there.
i believe that this is one of the most composer/performer friendly
control-boxes, and more interfaces should be built with that principle in

all the best,

Michael Kieslinger
Computer Related Design



Date:Mon, 9 Aug 1999 06:23:02 -0400
From:tim prezzano <dsp@NEVSOUND.COM>
Subject: Re: controllers

jhno wrote:

>native instruments sells the "4-control" - not many knobs, but small.

Yes, the 4Control is small indeed. What's interesting is that it sends incremental midi values,
rather than absolute, so you won't get frightening, chaotic knob jumps on newly-opened patches..

However, when you throw incremental values at most software packages, the software will respond

"Incremental?? Increment THIS, pal!"

I've not experimented with this in MAX;has anybody created a patch that'll convert incremental
midi values to 0-127 absolute?

ps, jhno - nice one on the fader baby (!)



Date:Mon, 9 Aug 1999 06:28:43 -0700
From:Christopher Dobrian <dobrian@UCI.EDU>
Subject: Re: tapin~/tapout~


The sig~ object don't interpolate nuttin'. It's for sending a constant
signal value--whatever number it has most recently received--when each
signal vector is calculated. You want line~, not sig~. (c.f. Tutorial 2 in


Christopher Dobrian / Department of Music / University of California, Irvine
Phone: (949) 824-7288 / Fax: (949) 824-4914 /


Date:Mon, 9 Aug 1999 15:36:59 +0200
From:Robert Henke <imbalance@BERLIN.SNAFU.DE>
Subject: Re: PC-1600

> Um, didn't your box come with a manual?
> The 1600 is one of the best, down-to-earth, impressively functional
> midi tools available. I have the 1600x, the current model, it took me =
> of 10 minutes to figure out what was up.
> C>T>

actually you are right, i bought a used one w/o manual, but anyway i am
surpised by your opinion, because i find it not very logic. it simply =
to much keystrockes to change a parameter and i see no consistent way of
navigation with all these rightleft / up down keys. and : i am still
wondering why no one build an interface with toggle buttons which have
LEDs for the status or even better a row of free programable LEDs above =


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Date:Mon, 9 Aug 1999 15:42:58 +0200
From:Robert Henke <imbalance@BERLIN.SNAFU.DE>
Subject: Re: MIDI controllers

> The Roland MCR-8 is still available at:
.. there has been an older midi controler box by roland with even more
knobs ( i think it had 4 rows with 8 knobs )and 8 faders !!! )
anyone knows the exact name ?



Date:Mon, 9 Aug 1999 19:32:02 +0200
From:muki pakesch <mpakesch@T0.OR.AT>
Subject: Re: max and tv mirror

At 0:00 -0400 09.08.1999, Automatic digest processor wrote:
>I have a ppc 8500 with video in and out. Nothing will come out onto my
>recorder. Video in OK. In order to get the screen to go out to my
>vhr, the mac help says to enable the tv mirror
options in my control
>OK, but this
prg does not appear on my CS. and although I have located

if i recall correctly you need to have 4MB of Vram installed
to enable video mirror/extension out of an 8500


| muki pakesch|
| mailto:mpakesch@t0.or.at|


Date:Mon, 9 Aug 1999 20:56:10 +0100
From:Roger Carruthers <roger.carruthers@VIRGIN.NET>
Subject: controllers

If you're into DIY, I can reccomend Dylan Menzies' Manmidi chip (CV/Midi
convertor) to make your own faders etc. I used one with a Paia Theremax to
create a Midi Theremin and to convert TTL pulses from an Atari trackball
into controller messages for an interactive music/multimedia piece for my
final college project. It ran for several hours without a glitch =AD my Mac
didn't even crash once :-). for more info on Manmidi go to
I also used a Midi key scanning kit, based around a chip called an E510
(sorry, dunno who makes it) to make a custom 'keyboard' using a joystick
etc. The kit is available from Maplin (, but I think they
may be about to discontinue it, 'cos they were selling them off cheap
recently=8A Paia also do a CV/midi convertor kit=AD see


Date:Mon, 9 Aug 1999 13:06:17 -0700
From:Peter Elsea <elsea@CATS.UCSC.EDU>
Subject: timing

With MIDI gear and MSP:
It's been a while since I did rigorous MIDI timing tests, but when I did, I
found delays in varous MIDI instruments ranged from 10 to 30 ms, with older
instruments generally the worst.
MIDI manager and OMS together had another 5 to 20 ms coming in. OMS by
itself is pretty quick, but it varies with the interface.
So if you are triggering MSP and an external instrument with an external
keyboard, you'll probably hear the keyboard first, then the external
instrument, then MSP. To sync everything up, use the keyboard with local
control off, run the MIDI through pipes and play with the delay factor
until both instruments sync up with MSP. Now the whole works will play
slow, but it'll be together some of the time.

With Cuebase etc.
Max will not produce acceptable MTC on its own. Beat clock is possible, but
it won't be as steady as you might like. It's best to follow mtc from some
external source. To get it from Vision or whatever, set up an IAC buss and
pick that as the sync output from the sequencer. Deciphering MTC in Max is
a trick- I've described some strategies in a tutorial posted at It's in word 5 format. (BTW, the current
version of Cuebase conflicts with OMS. Steinberg promises a fix is in the
works. Check their tech support.)

OMS timing
OMS timing is an added module to OMS that provides master timing and tempo
track features to any application that wants to take avantage of it. With
it a programmer can tap into MTC or SMPTE, convert a MIDI file into a
tempo track, and lock several applications to it for simultaneous playback.
(Usually only the front application can record). While many non Opcode
programs are compatible with OMS for input and output, I'm not aware of any
that use OMS timing. Your clue to that would be "OMS 2.0 required"
The Max scheduler is not based on OMS timing- however, you can control the
OMS timer with timeout and get the current OMS timecode position with

timein. Since this object has to be polled (banged), it's not the optimum
technique for syncing, but it does decode hours, minutes, seconds and
frames for you. You'd connect OMS timing to external timecode with OMS
The undocumented object tcin gives a continuous stream of timecode directly
from a MIDI port (independent of OMS timing). The port message sets the
port to watch (it can be tricky finding this, the 64XTC funnels time code
to a port named Studio 64XTC) and the enable 1 message starts it up. The
numbers are in 80ths of a frame- you have to decode them yourself.

Peter Elsea
Director, Electronic Music Studios
University of California, Santa Cruz


End of MAX Digest - 8 Aug 1999 to 9 Aug 1999 (#1999-237)