Subject: MAX Digest - 6 Aug 1999 to 7 Aug 1999 (#1999-235)
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 00:00:00 -0400
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Topics of the day:

  1. MAX Digest - 5 Aug 1999 to 6 Aug 1999 (#1999-234)
  2. Reminder for Digest readers
  3. 2408 & ADAT input
  4. Less than perfect user interfaces
  5. Controllers / fader boxes
  6. high profile failure / user interface
  7. sync to Cubase
  8. serial port no longer blotto! Thanks to all!


Date:Sat, 7 Aug 1999 14:40:07 +1000
From:"Sensor.E Overlobe" <overt@OVERLOBE.COM>
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 5 Aug 1999 to 6 Aug 1999 (#1999-234)

>16 7-bit faders, 16 matching buttons, a
>dial that can fine tune any fader or act as a 17th fader (by linking it to
>one of the pedal inputs), two footpedal inputs, and a very smart and
>capable MIDI spec. The flashier things it won't do can be done in Max
>instead, and (depending on where you live) you can get two of 'em for the
>price of one Regelwerk. I'm very pleased with it.

i have a roland mcr-8 .. they're smaller than the peavey (about as wide as
my pb2400, & plastic) and have 9 faders and 9 pots(eight are swithcable
between 2 banks 1-8, 9-16) with 40 buttons.. it isn't all that
programmable, but (see #4 below) we're talking about max here eh?..

the faders and pots aren't as good as the peavy ones.. being that small
type roland used in the early nineties.

the thing i Do like about it is it runs on 9v, and has a couple of
different modes..
1 - GS mode.. sends all the nrps etc for filter release attack delay/chorus
etc blah blah for a gs synth.. even makes my pma-5 sound okay (sometimes) -
song locator functions as well

2- midi mixer - with pgm change, note on/off, 1 fader, 1 pot per channel. -
semi programmable
3- wierd.. havent really used it -
4- my personal fave.. each button/potentiometer sends on a different ctl#
on one channel (defaulting to ch16) - this is what i use for max, as i just
plug it all into a set of abstractions i have.

another cool thing.. the dial sends ctlr info as well, with a clicker type
thingo inside , when turned clockwise it's on(>64) and anti clock is off
(0) this comes in handy for things like scratchers etc.. where you can use
that cyclic motion .. also sends ctlr info for depressed (on) and released

and it has a serial port, so it functions as a midi interface as well!
don't know if they still make them.. mine was sitting away in the bargain
bin of a consumer music store for quite a while till i came apon it(don't
you just love saying that ;-) -w/very good documentation, and some useful
plastic overlays as well.

o/ . . . .. .. .. ... ... ......____________>>>>>>>
/ \


Date:Sat, 7 Aug 1999 01:21:43 -0400
From:Christopher Murtagh <chris@MUSIC.MCGILL.CA>
Subject: Reminder for Digest readers

Greetings Maxers,

A quick reminder for people subscribed under digest mode... Please change
the subject to something more relavant to your post so as to not have
something like ' Re: MAX Digest - 5 Aug 1999 to 6 Aug 1999 (#1999-234)'. I
try to filter most of them out and as the sender to re-post, but I
sometimes don't catch all of them. Thanks.



Date:Fri, 6 Aug 1999 22:20:28 -0700
From:David Zicarelli <zicarell@SOUNDFLOWER.COM>
Subject: Re: 2408 & ADAT input

David Brooke Wetzel <dwetzel@PEABODY.JHU.EDU> writes:

>I'm exploring some options for a very high-profile gig which can
>_not_ fail, so I don't want to be the one to test a new technology.

I would only observe that in most high-profile gigs, failure tends
to be far more interesting to the audience than success.

David Z.


Date:Sat, 7 Aug 1999 04:56:51 EDT
Subject: Less than perfect user interfaces

In a message dated 8/7/99 3:56:08 AM, LISTSERV@LISTS.MCGILL.CA writes:

<< How 'bout Windows? >>

To quit Windows, one must first press the "Start" button -- everyone I know
that uses Windows thinks that this is a perfectly normal and reasonable thing
to do -- unless you're in a hurry, in which case the logical thing to do is
hit alt-F4 repeatedly until the screen turns blue. Me, I prefer the
cntl-alt-delete method -- eventually something will crash and you can safely
hit the power switch knowing that it's not possible to much more damage than
you already have.

Any word on the availability of the PC version of MAX?

R B Meng


Date:Fri, 6 Aug 1999 20:28:46 +0200
From:"Dr. Karlheinz Essl" <essl@EUNET.AT>
Subject: Re: Controllers / fader boxes

Dear MAXers!

Besides the Peavey PC1600 (which I own myself) I am looking for a *small*
device with at least 8 sliders and some buttons. Any suggestions? The gear
must be compact enough to put it in my computer bag when I am performing



Date:Sat, 7 Aug 1999 14:56:35 +0200
From:Robert Henke <imbalance@BERLIN.SNAFU.DE>
Subject: high profile failure / user interface

> >I'm exploring some options for a very high-profile gig which can
> >_not_ fail, so I don't want to be the one to test a new technology.
> I would only observe that in most high-profile gigs, failure tends
> to be far more interesting to the audience than success.
> David Z.
absolutely. nothing is more fun than the MAC startup sound after some
remarkable confusion on stage...

>(...) The little green LCD window is the interface that Mr. Henke doesn't
>but, we use the computer screen for most of these controller readouts.
>So, "user interface" may have two meanings here, like, "monitor" does.
>It works as the mechanical interface and control surface, not as a
>console window.
>steve anderson
>Laser Dreams

..its not the little LCD display. its the way menues are organised. the
good old cooper fadermaster was much better: a few essential functions
with very easy access. it had only a two digit 7 segment display and this
did provide you with all necessary information and had such a nice feature
like different scanning rates for each fader. unfortunately theA/D
converter is pretty unprecise what makes it hard to catch a special =

The main point is not how many parameters / functions some kind of
equipment supplies. it is the way you can access it. Every PCM 80 user i
know is either using only factory presets or one single algorithm with 8
dedicated parameters on the so called "softrow". One advantage of msp is
the fact that i can build e.g.a two operator fm synthesizer without having =

4 other operators doing nothing ... and have all parameters visible on one

  1. i am still dealing with my MIDI / msp timing problem. David Z. wrote me
    that he does not know exactly why there is so much random delay between
    MIDIand MSP but he will have a look at it later this year. I am
    wondering how other people on the list are dealing with this issue ?
    doesn`t it matter for you ? is no one using midi + max + msp ???????? does
    no one produce rhythmical / dance music with this setup ? are you all
    re-recording every track into protools and editing every single event ???? =

just curious,


Date:Sat, 7 Aug 1999 13:13:59 +0100
From:Roger Carruthers <roger.carruthers@VIRGIN.NET>
Subject: sync to Cubase

Has anyone out there managed to get Max to sync to Cubase/Rebirth?
1) Does Max output midi clocks/MTC? If so, from what objects?
2) Can anyone enlighten me on how 'OMS timing' works? I can sync patches to
Musicshop ok, but what other software supports OMS timing?(not
Cubase,right?). Just Opcode stuff=8A?
3)(unrelated) Join my campaign to get Macromedia to improve (ha!) Director'=
midi implementation. It would be pretty neat if Director could read basic
midi messages via OMS, no? The Yamaha Xtra is ok but it's all output, no
input. Mail your gripe to:


Date:Sat, 7 Aug 1999 17:32:27 -0400
From:Teri Rueb <rueb@UMBC.EDU>
Subject: serial port no longer blotto! Thanks to all!

Teri Rueb
Assistant Professor of Visual Art
University of Maryland, Baltimore County
1000 Hilltop Circle
Baltimore, MD21250
Office: FA519, 410-455-3322


End of MAX Digest - 6 Aug 1999 to 7 Aug 1999 (#1999-235)