Subject: MAX Digest - 2 Aug 1999 to 3 Aug 1999 (#1999-231)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 00:00:27 -0400
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There are 13 messages totalling 450 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. USB video (was Re: usb audio)
  2. Controllers...
  3. MAX > TCP/IP
  4. Whats happened to "Rect" in graphic object?
  5. controllers
  6. pb 190cs
  7. Peavey PC1600 Controller
  8. call for participation
  9. The language of Power Glove
  10. outboard DSP processing
  11. MAX Digest - 29 Jul 1999 to 30 Jul 1999 (#1999-227)
  12. Hallelujah!
  13. reminder for NY Max mtg. tomorrow (8/4)


Date:Mon, 2 Aug 1999 22:13:58 -0400
From:David Crandall <dcrand1@GL.UMBC.EDU>
Subject: USB video (was Re: usb audio)

On a related (slightly off topic) topic, has anyone seen the Belkin or
Nogatech USB video adapters, or heard tell of any reviews of these or
other upcoming video in-or-out products? Any in *and* out devices on

I'm assuming a USB hub and audio capture device would be needed to grab
sound with pix, with the usual sync problems...?

Film folks - don't throw away those clapper-boards!



Date:Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:16:12 +0930
From:Ross Bencina <rossb@AUDIOMULCH.COM>
Subject: Re: Controllers...

Robb Drinkwater wrote:

>I'm looking at MIDI controllers to use w/MAX/MSP and am currently
>considering the Cooper FaderMaster Pro or the Peavey1600 (or other
>Anyone had direct experience with either & a good or bad feeling about
>it? Do either support double-precsion (Xbend) values?

I have seen and used (not owned) the Peavey1600 it seems really good for the
price, the faders are 7 (mabe 8) bit and there is an alpha wheel what can be
used for fine tuning (upto 14bit) each parameter. The firmware seems really

Youe might want to check out Doepfer, they make some pretty far out stuff:

I found an english translation here:




Date:Mon, 2 Aug 1999 22:28:05 +0200
From:Michael Wieser <m.k.w@MAGNET.AT>
Subject: MAX > TCP/IP


A question of a non-MAXer:

Is it possible with MAX to have several "Workstations" with their MAX
running and doing their jobs and do the output of MAX not only as Adio or
Midi but also over 10Mbit/Ethernet/TCP/IP to a "Server" who is also running
MAX, using the inputs from several Worksations to do something "all
together now"?

Imagine a big room (Conference-center) with several doors, on each door a
cheap, slow, old Powerbook (MAX running) with sensors and a little
Amplifier for saying "hello" or "good bye", depends on the direction people
And MAX, running on a "dedicated" Server receives/counts all those hellos
and good byes and when the room is empty, the Server can do something to
make the people comming in (play some loud music.....) or what ever needed
and also send this back to the "door-powerbooks".

I hope, it`s clear what I want to describe...

Thanks for the help!

Michael Wieser

Service and Audiodesign


Date:Tue, 3 Aug 1999 06:04:10 -0700
From:Jim Wood <jswood@ROCKETMAIL.COM>
Subject: Whats happened to "Rect" in graphic object?

There sems to be a bug in that latest version of Max
(3.5.9-9) doesnt include "rect" object used with
"graphic", like "oval" which does seem towork!!)
or at least doesnt recognise it, it does work in my
Max set-up. Nothing comes up and Max gives that
message "rect not an object.

Whys this is it out of style??

Help please, i made a rather nice (i thought) patch
for IAMAS and now it doesnt seem to work.

Jim Y-Wood

PS you can see I gave up on the C coding for a while,
need some sleep.
Get your free address at


Date:Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:24:22 +0200
From:Nikolas Valsamakis <prosp@OTENET.GR>
Subject: Re: controllers

> I'm looking at MIDI controllers to use w/MAX/MSP and am currently
> considering the Cooper FaderMaster Pro or the Peavey1600 (or other
> reccomendations?).

Checkhttp://www.doepher.defor the Doepfer Regelwerk. It has 24 faders and 72
buttons. The faders are 60mm. They feel a litle lighter than the Peavey's. It has
double MIDI & OUT and 8 CV outs. There are two LED for each fader indicating the
position of the fader in relation to the stored data. It is full SYSEX programable.
There is a step sequencer also! In Europe it cost a bit more than the Peavey. Check
also for the Doepher Drehbank rotary knob MIDI controller.
If you are interested in the Peavey check also

Nikolas Valsamakis
Music Synthesis and Control

"Death keeps me awake", Joseph Beuys


Date:Tue, 3 Aug 1999 14:55:25 +0100
From:Joe Young <joey@PAVILION.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: pb 190cs

<italic>Try the Korg JD800? (circa 1986), it ran on a bunch of C or D
batteries. Also

Roland made one a small keyed midi controller that ran on batteries
that was

about 3 feet long, sorry I can't remember the model number.

</italic>I think the model you're referring to is a Korg Poly 800 - the
JD800 is a much newer Roland synth - if my memory serves me correctly.
The original Novation BassStation came with a small keyboard and may
well run off batteries, although it's only monophonic. The Poly 800 is
a single oscillator, digitally controlled analogue synth - (8 voices,
but not multi-timbral) my first real synth in the 80's and capable of
producing some very nice textures.

This is my 1st posting to the list. I've been lurking here for a while,
and most of the MAX programming stuff goes over my head. I've not had a

chance to really play with MAX yet. Too busy for a such a steep
learning curve!! Great resource though.

Joe Young.

phone:+44(0)973 714589

"Microsoft is not the answer. Microsoft is the question. "No" is the answer!"


Date:Tue, 3 Aug 1999 09:59:38 -0400
Subject: Peavey PC1600 Controller

> Date:Mon, 2 Aug 1999 05:02:34 +0000
> From:
Robb Drinkwater <rdrink@ARTIC.EDU>
> Subject: Controllers...
> I'm looking at MIDI controllers to use w/MAX/MSP and am currently
> considering the Cooper FaderMaster Pro or the Peavey1600 (or other
> reccomendations?).
> Anyone had direct experience with either & a good or bad feeling about
> it? Do either support double-precsion (Xbend) values?

I've used the Peavey PC1600 Midi Controller for some years.

Version 2 is an improvement on version 1: the faders and the data wheel
are better, the MIDI implementation seems to be good. (I previously used
the Akai device - can't remember its model number - which didn't know what
to do when it received too much Midi data). The power supply has been
improved - at least the one they supply for Germany: the old one got very
hot. The new one is physically larger and stays cool. On the old model I
had problems with the scene memories, so stopped using that feature.
I've used the device on stage for remote controlling the Yamaha 02R and
03D mixers in music-theatre and in situations where it is not possible to
have the main mixer in a good listening position in the auditorium. It
merges incoming MIDI which sometimes avoids having to have a separate
merger. The fact that each channel has a separate programmable button is
a big plus - at least when using Max. The data wheel can be linked to a
fader and there are two CV inputs.

If you have hands free to use the faders then it seems to be a good
choice. One word of warning: it is easy to physically knock the faders out
of alignment. They then separate themselves from the main board


Melvyn Poore
Uferstrasse 166
D-53859 Niederkassel
Fax: +49-2208-911218
see also:


Date:Tue, 3 Aug 1999 15:46:15 +0100
From:Rob Godman <rob.godman@VIRGIN.NET>
Subject: Re: call for participation

> > as you all probably know there is a total solar eclipse visible from a tiny
> > corner of our tiny island in a week or so (11 August to be exact).
> >
> > cheers all
> >
> > andy gracie
> >
> Hi Andy,
We're planning on making the great trek to see the darkness- not such
great trek as we live in Gloucestershire. Where are you going to be?
As we're travelling down at about 2 a.m we imagine being parked on the
central reservation of the Avonmouth bridge for the eclipse itself!
Seriously though, it'd be great to know more about what you're up to and
it would be nice to know what data you get. I'll have mic. and DAT with
me to record the event with audio........ the sound of the moon
blocking out the sun, umm! (which will probably consist of- "Jesus,
what a great view of the A30" or "those people watching on the tele.
don't know what they're missing- the back end of another car" or, some
minutes after the event "Dad, why can't I see anything......"
Any other Maxers got plans?
Remember, don't look at the sun directly as this could result in severe
depression as a result of cloud cover.......
Best wishes,
> *******************************************************************
> Rob Godman
> Composer
> 4 Mill Close Wotton-under-Edge Gloucestershire GL12 7LP United Kingdom
> T. (44) 01453 521895
> F. (44) 01453 844447
> For more information (if slightly out of date......)
> *******************************************************************


Date:Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:33:38 +0200
From:Michael Wieser <m.k.w@MAGNET.AT>
Subject: Re: The language of Power Glove


Some years ago there was a hardwareproject on the german c`t with some
technical docs.
This hardware translated the Powerglove-Data to V24 if I remember this
correct. Its some hardware around a 8031?

I`m not sure if there some parts aviable for this project, but you can
search on www.heise.defor this infos.
Otherwise please contact me privat for this infos.

>Howdy, I have heard and read (and seemed to have forgotten) about musicians
>that use the "Nintendo?" Power Glove to control different aspects of sound.
>I have recently been using Max (an object oriented music program) and was

>thinking that I may be able to use the power glove as well. Do any of you
>have any articles, or know how I can get info regading this wonderfull
>glove. Also, how would I connect the glove to a Macintosh, serial or USB
>or what ever.
Also what type of DATA comes out of the thing, I am hopeing
>that I can use Max to tranlate whatever comes out into MIDI data.
Thankx, when I figure this out, hold onto your hats and remember no
>glove no love!
Little Dave.
Michael Wieser

Service and Audiodesign


Date:Tue, 3 Aug 1999 19:01:24 +0200
From:Sukandar Kartadinata <sk@ZKM.DE>
Subject: Re: outboard DSP processing

>anyone interested check

that link should now be working again

Sukandar Kartadinata
Custom Music Technology
Hagenauerstr. 6, 10435 Berlin, 030-44051219


Date:Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:56:00 -0400
From:David Brooke Wetzel <dwetzel@PEABODY.JHU.EDU>
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 29 Jul 1999 to 30 Jul 1999 (#1999-227)

Dear Max,

Is anyone out there using ADAT digital input through a MOTU 2408 into
Max/MSP? On more than 8 channels?

David Brooke Wetzel
Clarinet/Bass ClarinetThe Peabody Institute of the
Computer Music Instruction,Johns Hopkins University
Performance, and Concert ProductionBaltimore, Maryland


Date:Tue, 3 Aug 1999 15:51:16 -0400
From:Christopher Murtagh <chris@MUSIC.MCGILL.CA>
Subject: Hallelujah!

Greetings MAXers,

Good news!! The MAX list CD has finally been manufactured and I actually
have five of them right next to me! This means that I can now start
distributing them. For information on the CD itself, please go to pages aren't complete yet, I will
get as much as I can up tonight). Ordering information can be found at

I have a total of 500 CDs. Each contributor will get 3 to start off, and
then probably more if I have any left. If there is enough demand, I will
try to do another run of 500.

So, if you want one, read the www page and send me an email with 'MAX list
CD order' as the subject please.



P.S. For those that are interested, the delay was due to the fact that my
burner (a Sony CDU948) does not burn Red book CD-Rs properly (even though I
bought it bundled with JAM). No thanks to Glyph technologies who are aware
of the problem but don't seem to want to solve it (I bought it from them).


Date:Tue, 3 Aug 1999 23:01:20 -0500
From:Dafna Naphtali <dafna.naphtali@NYU.EDU>
Subject: reminder for NY Max mtg. tomorrow (8/4)

REMINDER about New York Max/MSP Users Group meeting tomorrow
Wed. August 4th!!!

Harvestworks between 6:30pm-9:30pm
located at
596 Broadway (below Houston)
Room 602
telephone # (212)431-1130

Dafna Naphtali
Harvestworks/Studio Pass


End of MAX Digest - 2 Aug 1999 to 3 Aug 1999 (#1999-231)