Subject: MAX Digest - 1 Aug 1999 to 2 Aug 1999 (#1999-230)
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There are 15 messages totalling 496 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. ibook pcmcia
  2. Doomsday scenario (2)
  3. PowerBook audio solutions
  4. pb 190cs (3)
  5. sfrecord~ and 8 channels (2)
  6. outboard DSP processing (2)
  7. call for participation
  8. Controllers...
  9. IIci audio solutions
  10. The language of Power Glove

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Date:Mon, 2 Aug 1999 17:05:44 +1000
From:"Sensor.E Overlobe" <overt@OVERLOBE.COM>
Subject: Re: ibook pcmcia

>>This isn't an option for the iBook (a.k.a. "Barbie's First Computer")
>>since it doesn't have PCMCIA either. Great stuff.

i saw somewhere (mosr.com ?) that the airport card uses a port remarkably
like a pcmcia port, and that this could possibly be a place for pc card
hacks using a cable or something.... still, it's not even on the shelves
yet ;-)

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Date:Mon, 2 Aug 1999 09:16:40 +0200
From:Georg Hajdu <hajdu@UNI-MUENSTER.DE>
Subject: Doomsday scenario

Bob,

I am very sorry to hear what had happened to you. I guess this is one of th=
e
moments that we all kind of experience, asking ourselves why are we doing
this, isn't it much nicer to just have a bunch of string players sit on
stage and play our scribbles.

Well, it wasn't so much the content of what you were describing, what I was
really reacting to was the first line of your message: "Dafna, you are in
real trouble."

To me, this isn't really just expressing an *opinion*.
But anyway, I suggest we drop this topic and move on.

Greetings from M=FCnster, Germany.


We're experiencing an usually great summer.

Georg

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Dr. Georg Hajdu

Hochschule f=FCr Musik Detmold,
Abteilung M=FCnster
Ludgeriplatz 1
D-48151 Muenster

e-mail: hajdu@uni-muenster.de
http://www.mhs-muenster.de/Hajdu.html
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Date:Mon, 2 Aug 1999 01:31:22 -0400
From:Nicholas Longo <71477.2332@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject: Re: PowerBook audio solutions

<I don't really care about this stuff until I get a computer which can run
<any of it! (Still limping along with a hot-rodded IIci. I seem to
<remember Nick writing about having purchased a much newer machine than his
<PB100 or 170 or whatever he was using for live performance, so I think I
<now beat him as having the most primitive MAX set-up of anyone on the
list!
<Note: primitive != useless.)

Count me in with the tribal primitives. I upgraded to a Performa 630CD,
040 with 36 Meg, eight bit audio and no FPU. Note, however that I
erected a modestly profitable web site with this machine, the profits
from which I track with an AT 286 running DOS and Microsoft Works,
and which are funding my own modest research and development efforts.

<Now, most people here are, I venture to say, professional users with more
<than an interest in the Internet and using MS Word. We're musicians so
are
<notoriously _poor_ professionals, but professionals nonetheless. Besides,
<it seems to me that, with all the audio and MIDI compatibility problems
<which seem to be occurring with the latest and greatest (blue G3s), folks
<would be better to grab a recent second-hand PPC which they _know_ (or can
<easily determine, thanks to knowledgeable and helpful list members) will
<work.

As an audio professional of more than twenty-five years, let me pass on the

information that one of the axioms for determining whether a piece of
equipment is of professional quality is, strangely enough, the way it looks

from the outside. Good design and construction on the outside usually
reflects the same on the inside. Bear in mind then, we're talking about a
computer made of see-through colored plastic - Tangerine and Blueberry
are the names of the colors I believe. Reminds me of a Skittles
commercial.

Nick Longo
http://www.cesiumsound.com/

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Date:Mon, 2 Aug 1999 04:35:02 +0000
From:Peter Nyboer <pnyboer@SIRIUS.COM>
Subject: pb 190cs

any words on the pb190cs? any MIDI nightmares? anyone use it for max ever?


anyone know of a small/tiny battery operated midi synth?

considering,


Peter Nyboer

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Date:Mon, 2 Aug 1999 14:10:45 +0200
From:"Dunskus, Bertram" <Bertram.Dunskus@COMMERZBANK.COM>
Subject: sfrecord~ and 8 channels

Hello again,

thank you for all the replies. My efforts to find software tools to split
8-channel AIFF or SDII files from sfrecord~ into individual mono files were
partly fruitful, here is a list of results:

- Peak V 2.02 does not handle more than 2 channels in AIFF
- soundeffects 0.9.2 (which is available at a new location
ftp://ftp.snafu.de/pub/mac-os/multimedia/soundeffects-092.hqx) would do it,
but it is a bit tricky to handle the splitting up
- soundhack only handles up to 4 tracks.
- There's a Max object: "nato.0+55" which allegedly does it. Does anybody
have experience whith it? I couldn't find a demo of it.

Bertram Dunskus

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Date:Mon, 2 Aug 1999 10:36:40 -0400
From:Michael Sweet <msweet@BWAY.NET>
Subject: Re: sfrecord~ and 8 channels

I've worked in SoundEditPro which handles a aiff sound file with 6 channels
comfortably, I seem to remember crashing problems when I got over 6. I
haven't opened a sfplay~ 8 channel document though...if I have some time later
today I'll do a test.

--Michael Sweet

"Dunskus, Bertram" wrote:

> Hello again,
>
> thank you for all the replies. My efforts to find software tools to split
> 8-channel AIFF or SDII files from sfrecord~ into individual mono files were
> partly fruitful, here is a list of results:
>
> - Peak V 2.02 does not handle more than 2 channels in AIFF
> - soundeffects 0.9.2 (which is available at a new location
> ftp://ftp.snafu.de/pub/mac-os/multimedia/soundeffects-092.hqx) would do it,
> but it is a bit tricky to handle the splitting up
> - soundhack only handles up to 4 tracks.
> - There's a Max object: "nato.0+55" which allegedly does it. Does anybody
> have experience whith it? I couldn't find a demo of it.
>
> Bertram Dunskus

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Date:Mon, 2 Aug 1999 10:42:56 -0400
From:Michael Sweet <msweet@BWAY.NET>
Subject: Re: pb 190cs

My 190cs ran max fine (although it's been through several motherboards because


its powersupply/serial connection is fragile)....

Try the Korg JD800? (circa 1986), it ran on a bunch of C or D batteries. Also
Roland made one a small keyed midi controller that ran on batteries that was
about 3 feet long, sorry I can't remember the model number.

--Michael Sweet

Peter Nyboer wrote:

> any words on the pb190cs? any MIDI nightmares? anyone use it for max ever?
> anyone know of a small/tiny battery operated midi synth?
>
> considering,
>
> Peter Nyboer

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Date:Mon, 2 Aug 1999 10:43:11 -0500
From:Dafna Naphtali <dafna.naphtali@NYU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Doomsday scenario

Bob and George...

By way of dropping the subject.. but since my name is still involved..

Really, Bob's note did not scare me, although I would *still* like to find
out what happenedin both his case and mine since preventing future problems
is obviously quite important (i.e. anything to do with saving tables in a
new version of Max?)

My own problem was solved a few days after my original post and so far has
not returned. Bob's was just a war story and I know enough to realize I
probably was not in the exact same situation as he and would have to solve
it differently (MSP was not an issue here..)

Thanks again for your help.

Dafna


>Bob,
>
>I am very sorry to hear what had happened to you. I guess this is one of th=
e
>moments that we all kind of experience, asking ourselves why are we doing
>this, isn't it much nicer to just have a bunch of string players sit on
>stage and play our scribbles.
>
>Well, it wasn't so much the content of what you were describing, what I was
>really reacting to was the first line of your message: "Dafna, you are in
>real trouble."
>
>To me, this isn't really just expressing an *opinion*.
>But anyway, I suggest we drop this topic and move on.
>
>Greetings from M=FCnster, Germany.
>
>We're experiencing an usually great summer.
>
>Georg
>
>***************************************************
> Dr. Georg Hajdu
>
>Hochschule f=FCr Musik Detmold,


>Abteilung M=FCnster
>Ludgeriplatz 1
>D-48151 Muenster
>
>e-mail: hajdu@uni-muenster.de
>http://www.mhs-muenster.de/Hajdu.html
>****************************************************

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Date:Mon, 2 Aug 1999 11:24:28 -0400
From:"M. Abidh Waugh" <abidh@MUSIC.UMASS.EDU>
Subject: outboard DSP processing

Hello max/msp list subscribers.

I was checking out the so-called Kyma system that a friend of mine purchased for
use in his school. It got me thinking that , while the kyma is quite cool in and
of itself, max/msp could blow it away if one could have some sort of outboard
processor available for use with msp (actually, I think max/msp is already better
than it, but that is my personal bias). I know that this is essentially what the
ISPW provided, but I think we need something similar to the ISPW/ Kyma box,
because, for example, I can easily exhaust the DSP capabilities of my 400 mhz. G3
chip with a complicated MSP network. Although the 400 is phenomenally more
functional than earlier chips for use with MSP, I can't help but wonder what
improvements might be possible if one could allocate MSP to a separate processor
or processors. Does anyone have any thoughts about this? What are the technical
difficulties involved in making something like this? One possible ideal setup
would combine digital in's/out's, extra g3 processor(s), and maybe even some RAM
in a single box or PCI card that could be used with Powerbook computers as well
as desktops. This would solve many of the issues that I read about on the
list. Well, I won't hold my breath waiting for this to appear on the market,
but I am very interested in hearing from any of you about this and, who knows,
maybe some of us could combine our efforts and contract out the development of
such a product with an interested microelectronics company?

Have a nice day.

Abidh Waugh

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Date:Mon, 2 Aug 1999 18:21:36 +0200
From:Sukandar Kartadinata <sk@ZKM.DE>
Subject: Re: outboard DSP processing

>but I think we need something similar to the ISPW/ Kyma box

I introduced the 'hardMAX' project to this list in February, but as I don't
want to wave the red flag in front of the software guys again, I won't
reiterate here
anyone interested check http://members.xoom.com/Sukandar/hardMAX.html

Just this: Processing power wasn't the main issue to me. It's probably
cheaper to buy a second G3.
I was more concerned about latency/timing, integration (sensors & digital
I/O), and "sturdiness"

to me the bottom line was:
yes, there are a few benefits in doing an outboard MAX/msp box, however
they're probably too little to justify the (enormous) development effort.

I only got around a dozen people interested anyway, so the project is more
or less dead.


cheers,


Sukandar


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Sukandar Kartadinata
Custom Music Technology
Hagenauerstr. 6, 10435 Berlin, 030-44051219
http://members.xoom.com/Sukandar/
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Date:Mon, 2 Aug 1999 17:59:05 +0000
From:andy g <adg@PODCENTRE.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: call for participation

dear maxers


as you all probably know there is a total solar eclipse visible from a tiny
corner of our tiny island in a week or so (11 August to be exact).

Host Productions and friends from the 0Hz gang are going to be transmitting
a multimedia webcast during and after the event. Part of the webcast will
be a bunch of MIDI files recorded using a Host Productions special 'probe'
device - a bunch of heat, light and EMF sensors - hooked up to Max via the
legendary i-cube box. We would like any interested sound artists/digital
musicians to download these files and reinterperet them as they please. Any
pieces sent back to us (CD, MD, DAT, cassette, MP3) will go towards a
CD-Rom of the event to be released by IrisLight Records.

we are looking at possibilities of actually live streaming the MIDI data. a
thing called MIDI chat looks a likely candidate but is PC only and has to
rside on the receiving machine. anyone got any better suggestions?

the webcast will be accessible via a link from http://www.agraphic.co.uk

transmission times 09.30 BST onwards, 11th August 1999.

cheers all

andy gracie
HOST PRODUCTIONS

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Date:Mon, 2 Aug 1999 05:02:34 +0000
From:Robb Drinkwater <rdrink@ARTIC.EDU>
Subject: Controllers...

I'm looking at MIDI controllers to use w/MAX/MSP and am currently
considering the Cooper FaderMaster Pro or the Peavey1600 (or other
reccomendations?).
Anyone had direct experience with either & a good or bad feeling about
it? Do either support double-precsion (Xbend) values?
--
~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^
Robb Drinkwater
SAIC Sound Department
312 345 3573
~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^

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Date:Tue, 3 Aug 1999 08:31:02 +1000


From:Garth Paine <garth@ACTIVATEDSPACE.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: pb 190cs

>any words on the pb190cs? any MIDI nightmares? anyone use it for max ever?

Hi Peter,

I used a PB190CS for MAX heaps over the last 4 years - never missed a
beat. The SCSI connection on the back was a bit temperamental, but
otherwise, a good machine.

Cheers,

Garth

Check out some of the tracks off my new CD at http://www.activatedspace.com.au
,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.
Activated Space
. Composer, Sound Designer, Installation Artist
.. Interactives Designer, Exhibition Consultant
........ph. 61 3 95720133
garth@activatedspace.com.au

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Date:Tue, 3 Aug 1999 11:40:40 +1000
From:David Rodger <auricle@ALPHALINK.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: IIci audio solutions

Chris wrote:
>Depends on how hot-rodded your IIci is. My IIfx
>might or might not out-do your machine... Which version of MAX are you
>running on it? I've got 2.5.2 on mine. I've got it hooked up to a plain
>vanilla Midi Translator II, to a Roland DDR-30 for a trigger and an
>original Sample Cell card. Primitive enough? Would I get rid of it? No way,
>the machine is worth more to me than what I could get for it. Funny thing
>is that it doesn't seem to work with MSP. :)

And thanks to Jim for the private reply.

OK, I cheated. My IIci is pretty hot-rodded: Daystar Turbo040 @ 33MHz,
which probably makes it a Q700 with a slow bus. MIDI interface is an
Opcode Studio 3. Also have an AM2 card and a Lapis video card in it.
System is 7.6.1 so I can run those Waves plug-ins in Sound Designer. Have
Max 3.0. Hey, it works!

And, funny thing is... mine doesn't run MSP either me unless someone can
tell me how to do _anything_ with the AM2.

I don't win the contest for the oldest MAX/Mac set-up!

David Rodger:Audio Engineer, RLSS Lifeguard Trainer, Writing & Research
mailto:auricle@alphalink.com.au
http://farben.latrobe.edu.au/motionhttp://www.alphalink.com.au/~adzohu
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Date:Mon, 2 Aug 1999 19:01:42 -0400
From:dave solursh <dsolursh@GEORGIAN.NET>
Subject: The language of Power Glove

Howdy, I have heard and read (and seemed to have forgotten) about musicians
that use the "Nintendo?" Power Glove to control different aspects of sound.


I have recently been using Max (an object oriented music program) and was
thinking that I may be able to use the power glove as well. Do any of you
have any articles, or know how I can get info regading this wonderfull
glove. Also, how would I connect the glove to a Macintosh, serial or USB
or what ever. Also what type of DATA comes out of the thing, I am hopeing
that I can use Max to tranlate whatever comes out into MIDI data.
Thankx, when I figure this out, hold onto your hats and remember no
glove no love!
Little Dave.

LITTLE DAVE00
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