Subject: MAX Digest - 13 Jul 1999 to 14 Jul 1999 (#1999-210)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 00:00:00 -0400
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There are 13 messages totalling 613 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Enlightened Clavier
  2. A few questions
  3. cd object - ooops!!!
  4. minor correxion
  5. sflist~
  6. Rolon&rolloff
  7. powerbook 160 (2)
  8. MAX Digest - 6 Jul 1999 to 7 Jul 1999 (#1999-203)
  9. MAX Digest - 4 Jul 1999 to 5 Jul 1999 (#1999-201)
  10. 1 64 68 in the first line
  11. Rolon&rolloff : what's the word in Max
  12. MAX OS?

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Date:Wed, 14 Jul 1999 07:01:36 +0200
From:Jeffrey Burns <jeff@BERLIN.SNAFU.DE>
Subject: Enlightened Clavier

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STEFAN TIEDJE - ENLIGHTENED CLAVIER FOR PIANO AND COMPUTER

This is one of the first compositions especially created for Jeffrey Burns'
"Piano of Light" system. However, it can alternatively be played in several
ways, without light effects or, hypothetically, even without the piano. It
uses what amounts to a new instrument, which comprises of a computer
program written by the composer, capable of playing from various
"landscapes" of sound, which are calculated during the time of performance
according to pre-composed algorithms. The computer monitor and mouse
replace the music rack of the grand piano, and the performer can call forth
any of these "landscapes" by mouse movement. At any time, the pianist may
choose to perform one of the "landscapes" on the piano, in which case the
computer shows the appropriate notation.

World premiere September 24, 1999, ...antasten... International Piano
Festival, Heilbronn, Germany
Also, December 31, 1999, Podewil Theater, Berlin, Germany

http://www.snafu.de/~jeff
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TIEDJE - ENLIGHTENED CLAVIER FOR PIANO AND COMPUTER


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</param><smaller><smaller><smaller>This
is one of the first compositions especially created for Jeffrey Burns'
"Piano of Light" system. However, it can alternatively be played in
several ways, without light effects or, hypothetically, even without
the piano. It uses what amounts to a new instrument, which comprises of


a computer program written by the composer, capable of playing from
various "landscapes" of sound, which are calculated during the time of
performance according to pre-composed algorithms. The computer monitor
and mouse replace the music rack of the grand piano, and the performer
can call forth any of these "landscapes" by mouse movement. At any
time, the pianist may choose to perform one of the "landscapes" on the
piano, in which case the computer shows the appropriate notation.


<bold>World premiere</bold> September 24, 1999, ...antasten...
International Piano Festival, Heilbronn, Germany

Also, December 31, 1999, Podewil Theater, Berlin, Germany
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http://www.snafu.de/~jeff

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Date:Wed, 14 Jul 1999 00:00:13 -0700
From:Keay <keay@HOOKED.NET>
Subject: A few questions

Hello all,

I have a few questions, if anyone can help I would greatly appreciate
it.

First, I am using a Peavey 1600 midi controller (a midi fader box) to
adjust the parameters of a looping sound. The patch uses the groove~
object. It all works great, but I wondered if there is any way (ie
trick) to achieving better resolution for the begining and end loop
points. I am taking the assigned fader output (0-127) and mutlipling
it by 39 so that I can work with up to 5 second loops. Like I said
this does work, but my in out points jump in increments of 39. (it has
been suggested that I use 2 sliders for an In point and 2 for an Out.
This would allow one slider to move in steps of 1000 and the other to
move in 10's)

Second,I am a little confused as to exactly what the reson~ object
does. I can run an audio signal through it, and it does have some
slight effect up till it effectively explodes into static. The
assumption would be that reson~ is short for resonance, but the results
I have been able to achieve have been subtle to catastrophic with know
middle ground. What would be an effective way to achieve more
controllable and noticable results?

Lastly,I have a nice little patch that loops midi note data by using
two table objects (one for note data and one for velocity) and a metro
to step through the tables. The main problem with this is that the
note duration is always equivalent. I have looked at the seq object
and it was not clear whether there was a way to accomplish the same
thing with it. One of the nice things about using the tables is that
it gives good visual feedback as to what is going on when new data is
input into the cycling table. I use this with kids and that feedback
is a good thing.

Thanks Much,
Keay@hooked.net
SJSU School of Art & Design

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Date:Wed, 14 Jul 1999 08:38:40 +0100
From:david stevens <david@RESONANT.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: cd object - ooops!!!

i wrote:
>
> i can't help you with the cd object, i'm afraid, but i can tell you that i had
> so many problems with max/msp crashing under 8.6 on my PB G3, (and cubase
> runnning slow on my desktop G3) that i've gone back to OS 7.5.1

of course I meant 8.5.1 - but you all realised that didn't you :-)

(are all yo ulucky people at the Night School having fun? (green with envy :-) ))

david

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Date:Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:14:44 +0200
From:Oeivind Idsoe <ezueled@MINDLESS.COM>
Subject: Re: minor correxion

> you cannot check the "imprimatur"
> list before posting! Churches have done this before, and certain political
> groups as well, and it never worked. Around the world there are a lot of
> different bans on certain people in the media for various reasons, and I
> believe the antiorp case on the max-l is one of them unfortunately.

I'll try to keep it relatively short: Bringing what the church (the crusades?) and
"certain political groups" (the communists or the Republicans) has done into this
matter is confusing matters greatly, me thinks. Some people seem to think that
freedom of speech operates on unconditional terms, that is, in some kind of vacuum,
and that external forces try to penetrate this vacuum to prevent it from spreading
into spheres where it is not wanted. Absolute free speech doesn't seem possible
because then you wouldn't know what it is (and I'm not defending censorship in
claiming this), which is why context gives it (some of) its meaning. There are
sensible reasons why I shouldn't have to be exposed to complete strangers knocking on
my door every five minutes talking about Jesus, art, politics or water quality, or
calling me on the phone to discuss immigration policies. This is also free speech,
but someone has decided that your home is your castle and valued it above people's
right to talk about anything they want to who they want at whatever time they want,
which is why people can reserve themselves against certain people (fx. marketing)
calling them, thereby preventing them from talking to you.

The Max-list is not, I think, a forum for anything you might think of, it's more like
a semi-private home. It should be compared to a newspaper, or, even better, to a
magazine dedicated to a certain agenda (i.e. music), where an editor is, albeit in an
almost invisible capacity (ideally), present (the people who started this list to
discuss Max). If you send a letter about the Lewinsky-Clinton affair to a magazine
dedicated to fishing, would you expect to get it printed? If you would, what would
justify its presence? Isn't fx. the prevention of spam, seen from the perspective of
the ideal of absolute free speech, a stance against free speech, albeit a minor one?
Of course it is.

Antiorp talks politics (though sometimes s/he talks Max) in a forum meant to be about
Max, which isn't to say that Max isn't necessarily unpolitical. It's just to say that
this forum isn't about the politics of Max. Would everyone uncritically defending
Antiorp defend yours truly if I were to post a two megabyte file to this list
containing Samuel Beckett texts? If not, why not?

Me, I have no problem with limited forums dedicated to limited subjects, as long as
they don't impose themselves on the world outside it in an attempt to *force* those
who don't belong to the group or speak its lingo to subsume to the groups internal
standards/values/whatever (enter fx. Lyotard (and, from another perspective, certain
versions of the church, which tries to impose their internals on the externals)).
It's what prevents, or should prevent, the confusion of totally seperate
matters/spheres, like trying to mix what or how much Bill Clintons eats with his


politics, or the posting of sexually oriented material (for example) to
rec.music.makers.synth or whatever. And equally important: It's what allows for
others to start their own list about Max!

This isn't to say that the internal rules of a limited forum shouldn't be subject to
debate -- far from it! the Max-list has discussed its internals several times --,
only that if the Max forum decides that postings about krporat fazciszm are, for the
time being at least (maybe it will be incorporated into a later version of Max, hence
making it directly Max-related?), irrelevant, then that's one of the internal rules
currently being enforced internally within this very group.

> Guy

/Oeivind/

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Date:Wed, 14 Jul 1999 07:06:57 -0600
From:Jonah Prior <jonahp@5.CO.NZ>
Subject: Re: sflist~

>Date:Tue, 13 Jul 1999 17:58:19 +0100
>From:
david stevens <david@RESONANT.DEMON.CO.UK>
>Subject: sflist~
>
>hi all,

Hi there

>in my performance i thought that i'd also like to be able to create different
>playlists
>from inside this subpatch, with different names,


max v2;
#N vpatcher 203 134 799 486;
#P hidden newex 448 158 45 196617 loadbang;
#P hidden newex 143 221 62 196617 random 200;
#P hidden message 164 105 252 196617 max v2 \; #N vpatcher \$1 \$2 650 650
\; #P newex 46 \$1 \$2 196617 ambigousperceptions \$3 \; #P pop 1 \;;
#P button 384 267 15 0;
#P hidden message 434 192 14 196617 0;
#P toggle 414 192 15 0;
#P hidden button 475 214 15 0;
#P hidden newex 414 214 50 196617 metro 20;
#P hidden newex 414 238 75 196617 counter 0 0 25;
#P hidden newex 266 185 55 196617 pack 0 0 0;
#P fasten 5 0 4 0 439 186 419 186;
#P connect 4 0 2 0;
#P fasten 4 0 3 0 419 209 480 209;
#P fasten 9 0 4 0 453 180 419 180;
#P connect 2 0 1 0;
#P fasten 1 0 0 2 419 274 315 274;
#P fasten 1 0 6 0 419 288 389 288;
#P fasten 1 2 5 0 461 272 439 272;
#P fasten 6 0 8 0 389 214 148 214;
#P fasten 3 0 1 2 480 234 451 234;
#P hidden fasten 0 0 7 0 271 171 169 171;
#P fasten 8 0 0 0 148 243 271 243;
#P fasten 8 0 0 1 148 240 293 240;
#P pop;


max v2;
#N vpatcher 50 40 450 340;
#N sflist~ $1_ 0;
#P newobj 53 68 60 196617 sflist~ $1_;


#P pop;


>that can then be loaded and played by sfplay. It
>looks to me that the only way to do this is to create a named sflist object for
>each list you don't like these rules that i want to have,
>and have all of these present in the patch when
>it is saved, as there doesn't seem to be a way to rename sflist~ as there is
>other objects (eg buffer~) (nor a way to save a newly created list).
>
>is this correct and I don't forsee that it will ever change
>or is there an update that'll allow you to change the name of
>sflist with a set message or similar, and then save it?
>


Hope this helps,

Jonah


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<P>&gt;Date:Tue, 13 Jul 1999 17:58:19 +0100</P>

<P>&gt;From:david stevens &lt;david@RESONANT.DEMON.CO.UK&gt;</P>

<P>&gt;Subject: sflist~</P>

<P>&gt;</P>

<P>&gt;hi all,</P>

<P>&nbsp;</P>

<P>Hi there</P>

<P>&nbsp;</P>

<P>&gt;in my performance i thought that i'd also like to be able to create
different playlists </P>

<P>&gt;from inside this subpatch, with different names, </P>

<P>&nbsp;</P>

<P>&nbsp;</P>

<P>max v2;</P>

<P>#N vpatcher 203 134 799 486;</P>

<P>#P hidden newex 448 158 45 196617 loadbang;</P>

<P>#P hidden newex 143 221 62 196617 random 200;</P>

<P>#P hidden message 164 105 252 196617 max v2 \; #N vpatcher \$1 \$2 650
650 \; #P newex 46 \$1 \$2 196617 ambigousperceptions \$3 \; #P pop 1 \;;</P>

<P>#P button 384 267 15 0;</P>

<P>#P hidden message 434 192 14 196617 0;</P>


<P>#P toggle 414 192 15 0;</P>

<P>#P hidden button 475 214 15 0;</P>

<P>#P hidden newex 414 214 50 196617 metro 20;</P>

<P>#P hidden newex 414 238 75 196617 counter 0 0 25;</P>

<P>#P hidden newex 266 185 55 196617 pack 0 0 0;</P>

<P>#P fasten 5 0 4 0 439 186 419 186;</P>

<P>#P connect 4 0 2 0;</P>

<P>#P fasten 4 0 3 0 419 209 480 209;</P>

<P>#P fasten 9 0 4 0 453 180 419 180;</P>

<P>#P connect 2 0 1 0;</P>

<P>#P fasten 1 0 0 2 419 274 315 274;</P>

<P>#P fasten 1 0 6 0 419 288 389 288;</P>

<P>#P fasten 1 2 5 0 461 272 439 272;</P>

<P>#P fasten 6 0 8 0 389 214 148 214;</P>

<P>#P fasten 3 0 1 2 480 234 451 234;</P>

<P>#P hidden fasten 0 0 7 0 271 171 169 171;</P>

<P>#P fasten 8 0 0 0 148 243 271 243;</P>

<P>#P fasten 8 0 0 1 148 240 293 240;</P>

<P>#P pop;</P>

<P>&nbsp;</P>

<P>&nbsp;</P>

<P>max v2;</P>

<P>#N vpatcher 50 40 450 340;</P>

<P>#N sflist~ $1_ 0;</P>

<P>#P newobj 53 68 60 196617 sflist~ $1_;</P>

<P>#P pop;</P>

<P>&nbsp;</P>

<P>&nbsp;</P>

<P>&nbsp;</P>

<P>&gt;that can then be loaded and played by sfplay. It</P>

<P>&gt;looks to me that the only way to do this is to create a named sflist
object for</P>

<P>&gt;each list you don't like these rules that i want to have, </P>

<P>&gt;and have all of these present in the patch when</P>


<P>&gt;it is saved, as there doesn't seem to be a way to rename sflist~
as there is</P>

<P>&gt;other objects (eg buffer~) (nor a way to save a newly created list).</P>

<P>&gt;</P>

<P>&gt;is this correct and I don't forsee that it will ever change</P>

<P>&gt;or is there an update that'll allow you to change the name of</P>

<P>&gt;sflist with a set message or similar, and then save it?</P>

<P>&gt;</P>

<P>&nbsp;</P>

<P>&nbsp;</P>

<P>Hope this helps,</P>

<P>&nbsp;</P>

<P>Jonah<BR>
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Date:Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:20:39 EDT
From:Panaiotis Panaiotis <Panaiotis@AOL.COM>
Subject: Rolon&rolloff

Check out the Decode object. This is what it is for.

In a message dated 7/13/99 11:58:37 PM, LISTSERV@LISTS.MCGILL.CA writes:

>I rather mean mutual complementarity : for example two leds, a red and
>a
>green; when one turns on the red which was off, it turns on and the green
>goes off and reciproqually. The trouble is off course how to get rid of
>the
>loop & the stack overflow break.

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Date:Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:02:42 -0400
From:forrest <forrest@OFFCHANTS.COM>
Subject: Re: powerbook 160

I've been using a powerbook 160 for years with Max, running the software I use with
the Lightning, and it has always worked great. I occasionally still perform with
this machine when I'm not using MSP and it's very reliable. My patches include a lot
of my own externals with pretty precise timing stuff. $250? Go for it!

Forrest Tobey
Music Director
21st Century Ensemble
http://www.offchants.com/ensemble21

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Date:Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:43:12 +0000
From:Robb Drinkwater <rdrink@ARTIC.EDU>


Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 6 Jul 1999 to 7 Jul 1999 (#1999-203)

What's the name of the Max book from MIT Press? Does anyone have any
feelings about it (good or bad) and how would it be as a reference text
for a class of new Maxers?

Thanks in advance. Respond privately.

--
~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^
Robb Drinkwater
SAIC Sound Department
312 345 3573
~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^

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Date:Wed, 14 Jul 1999 18:03:04 +0200
From:Daniel Landau <danlan@XS4ALL.NL>
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 4 Jul 1999 to 5 Jul 1999 (#1999-201)

Greetings,
What's the word about the stable version of Mac Os for working with Max/Msp. I've been
running 8.1 for months on a PB G3 with virtually no crashes. But since 8.5.1 is on my
machine Max crashes frequently. Does 8.6 solve this stability issue? Any suggestions?

Daniel

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Date:Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:40:48 -0700
From:Ben Nevile <nevileb@TOWERS.COM>
Subject: Re: powerbook 160

Thanks for the tips, list - I'm going to be travelling for three weeks, so
I think I'll buy the 160 and a case for some of my gear so that I'll have
something to play with in the hotel rooms. It sounds like I can expect
the Max performance to at least be reasonable, although I may not
enjoy programming on the laptop. This will do until I save up the $ for
a sexy G3.

bbn

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Date:Wed, 14 Jul 1999 21:33:27 +0200
From:Jean Paul Laurent <jean.paul.laurent@SKYNET.BE>
Subject: 1 64 68 in the first line

>these umenues showed 1 64 68 in the first line;

I encountered the same problem when saving a patch on a 7100 (sys 8.5), and
re-opening it on a 8100 (sys 7.6): a new first line appeared with 1 64 68 !


Jean Paul


=====================================================
Jean Paul Laurentjean.paul.laurent@skynet.be

Court-Saint-EtienneBelgium
=====================================================

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Date:Wed, 14 Jul 1999 23:24:22 +0200
From:Roby Steinmetzer <roby@ARTS.LU>
Subject: Re: Rolon&rolloff : what's the word in Max

>(I've tried without succ=E8s to find out the simplest way for switching two
>toggles complementarily : Va et vient en fran=E7ais (what's the word in
>English ?)
>Can someone give me the answer ?)
>
>Infact what I meant isn't exacly va et vient, which means turn the same
>light on and off whichever switch you use in the room.
>I rather mean mutual complementarity : for example two leds, a red and a
>green; when one turns on the red which was off, it turns on and the green
>goes off and reciproqually. The trouble is off course how to get rid of the
>loop & the stack overflow break.
>

En fran=E7ais pour le 14 juillet:

Roland,
Pourrait-il s'agir de ce qu'on appelle en franglais un "radio button"?
C'est facile =E0 r=E9aliser avec la MegaMax collection de Stephen Kay.

Sinon tu pourrais essayer avec l'objet MultiCtrl de Panaiotis.
Je ne sais pas si =E7a marche mais en tout cas cet objet te permet=20
d'=E9viter le stack overflow.


Libert=E9, Egalit=E9, Fraternit=E9

Roby Steinmetzer,
Luxembourg, Europe

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Date:Thu, 15 Jul 1999 08:37:24 +1000
From:Garth Paine <garth@ACTIVATEDSPACE.COM.AU>
Subject: MAX OS?

HI all,

>What's the word about the stable version of Mac Os for working with
>Max/Msp. I've been
>running 8.1 for months on a PB G3 with virtually no crashes. But
>since 8.5.1 is on my
>machine Max crashes frequently. Does 8.6 solve this stability
>issue? Any suggestions?

I have just gone back to 8.1 after installing 8.6 and having a number
of problems of a PPC 200MHz machine.

Cheers,

Garth

Listen to some of the tracks from my latest CD at
http://www.activatedspace.com.au
See some video of my MAP1 installation
http://www.activatedspace.com.au/Map1/map1.html(RealVideo)

,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.
Activated Space
. Composer, Sound Designer, Installation Artist
.. Interactives Designer, Exhibition Consultant
........ph. 61 3 95720133
garth@activatedspace.com.au
http://www.activatedspace.com.au


.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.

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