Subject: MAX Digest - 11 Jul 1999 to 12 Jul 1999 (#1999-208)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 00:00:00 -0400
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There are 11 messages totalling 430 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. nato.o+55+ The FINAL word.
  2. nato.o+55+3d \/\ quickdraw 3d pour ircam max (fwd)
  3. nato + Max = excommunication
  4. cd object
  5. Storing Info
  6. please take me off your mailing list (if i'm on it)
  7. NT Installations
  8. powerbook 160
  9. chainapply (2)
  10. OT: PC Question

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Date:Mon, 12 Jul 1999 00:52:21 -0400
From:Christopher Murtagh <chris@MUSIC.MCGILL.CA>
Subject: Re: nato.o+55+ The FINAL word.

This is to clear up some misunderstandings it seems that some people have
about etiquette on the MAX list.

1) If in doubt read: http://www.music.mcgill.ca/max/listpolicy.html. If
you don't like these rules, email me (chris@music.mcgill.ca) and not the
list. We should be able to come to an agreement (I'm very reasonable).

2) At 10:38 PM -0400 7/11/99, dudas wrote:
>I must admit that I am quite shocked to find out that Guy Van Belle has
>been removed from the max list for forwarding =cw4t7abs' mail about her
>developments of max multimedia externals and patches/applications.

For yourinfo, Guy is back on the list after promising not to forward any
more antiorp posts. Anyone else who forwards antiorps stuff will be removed
from this list.

3) At 10:38 PM -0400 7/11/99, dudas wrote:
>are we max-listers not allowed to mention =cw4t7abs just because she has
>been removed from the list??

Mentioning what antiorp is up to as far as software and MAX goes is
perfectly acceptable. Reposting his messages or pseudo antiorp messages is
not. Discussing antiorp's political rants/campaings and attacks on other
lists are also not welcome here.

4) If you have any problems with any of the above, email me
(chris@music.mcgill.ca) and NOT the list.

Thank you.

Chris

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Date:Mon, 12 Jul 1999 00:14:25 -0700
From:Charles Baker <baker@CHARLIEB.COM>
Subject: Re: nato.o+55+3d \/\ quickdraw 3d pour ircam max (fwd)


Re: M. r Dudas' letter ....
I hope that the MAX list- a list with a high signal/noise ratio- does not
become known by the people who do not communicate on it, rather than the
people who are left after the purging....even =cw4t7abs contributed to the
list substantively, and *to me* the worst interruptions were not the
occasional off-topic =cw4t7abs rant, but the torrent of abuse that inevitably
followed from some otherwise quite civilized people. That these people are not
ever mentioned as perpetrators of part of the =cw4t7abs noise saddens me
greatly.

On a slightly nicer topic, I have placed a little toy music app (were I
seeking tenure, I might term it " my 'meta-composition': an interactive
exploration of mensural techniques" or some such) on my ftp site:
ftp://www.charlieb.com/PartingFriends.clc.sea.bin
(collection- requires MaxPlay...about 475K)
ftp://www.charlieb.com/PartingFriends.sea.bin
(full compiled app for those with out Max- obviously not this list - about 1
Meg.)
Sorry about the size...a few interface graphics included, since I've been told
I need to work on my presentation...:-).
It just requires MIDI-
initialized to channels 1-8, on first port given by omsinfo: but of course you
can adjust this.
It's just a memory of my late brother....piano-like sounds are therefore
appropriate, but some voices may like other sounds...feel free to try, that's
sorta the point.

see some of you later today @ max night school.

char lieb


Date:Sun, 11 Jul 1999 19:38:49 -0700

> From:dudas <dudas@CNMAT.BERKELEY.EDU>
> Subject: Re: nato.o+55+3d \/\ quickdraw 3d pour ircam max (fwd)
>
> I must admit that I am quite shocked to find out that Guy Van Belle has
> been removed from the max list for forwarding =cw4t7abs' mail about her
> developments of max multimedia externals and patches/applications.
> =cw4t7abs also asked me to forward the message, which I also thought was
> worthy of posting to the max list. Because I saw that Guy had already
> forwarded the message, I didn't bother to send it a second time, so I have
> not suffered the same (one would hope temporary?) fate as he.
>
> are we max-listers not allowed to mention =cw4t7abs just because she has
> been removed from the list??
>
> >hallo
> >
> >m9nd fwd!ng dze b.lo 2 max-l +?
> >tzor! 2 azk ma!z d!sz = unbel!evabl.
> >
> >bzzp.
>
> no, I don't mind forwarding this information at all.
> you don't need to be sorry to ask - it is rather unbelievable (although
> Chris Murtagh probably has his reasons)
>
> >one is removed and discriminated against
> >simply for mentioning =cw4t7abs +?
> >
> >= reminds of +?
>
> yes, indeed, but this sadly seems to be a recurring theme throughout human
> history, and I don't forsee that it will ever change.


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Date:Mon, 12 Jul 1999 04:08:02 -0700
From:Jim Wood <jswood@ROCKETMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: nato + Max = excommunication

Richard,

I agree with your comments, must this artist be
excommunicated forever. If people want to read about
it and mention it, why not. That doesnt = ASCII
nightmares
and propoganda bibles.
Anyway this is the correct URL
http://www.gmeb.fr/SoftwareCompetition/Softs99/nebulam81.html

and has some interesting facts about this artist, is
it for real I wonder?
let the MAXers decide for themselves

Jim
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Date:Mon, 12 Jul 1999 12:43:10 -0500
From:Todd Welbourne <tgwelbou@FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU>
Subject: cd object

Hi there,
I used to use the cd object just fine, but now since "upgrading" to
OS8.6 it consistenly crashes MAX with the message: unexpectedly quit--error
type 1. I believe I have rounded up the usual suspects 1) trashed
preferences 2) rebuilt desktop after 3) downloading the latest (?) version
of the cd object on the cycling'74 "news" site. Another curious thing is
that startup time for max has slowed to a crawl especially the MegaMax
portion. Vitals: PB1400cs with 56 M running Max 3.5.9 (15M allocated to
Max) Any ideas??TW


Todd Welbourne
University of WIsconsin-Madison
School of Music
455 N. Park Street
Madison, WI 53706
ph. (608) 263-1914
email: tgwelbou@facstaff.wisc.edu
web presence: http://hum.lss.wisc.edu/welbourne

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Date:Mon, 12 Jul 1999 21:20:26 +0200
From:jvkr <jvkr@KONCON.NL>
Subject: Storing Info

Hi


Question:
When, in case of the coll object for instance, *Save coll with Patcher*
is checked, the patch saves indeed the content of coll inside itself.
Then when you call this patch (as daughter) inside another patch


(mother), the message looses its meaning. Coll will remember (for ever)
what its content was at the time when the patch that holds it was
created. The same holds true with table, preset and function generator
(and more?).

Does anybody know the trick how to get around this, or: how do I store
info in a patch inside a patch?


Another question:
A possible solution to the question above is to have coll write its
content to file. Does anybody know of a way of writing to file (and
reading it later) in a predetermined folder (for instance near the actual
patch). I could imagine a message to max to look in a certain folder?


johan

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Date:Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:07:33 PDT
From:maral ouzounian <maral77@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: please take me off your mailing list (if i'm on it)

Hi!
i'm not sure if i'm on your mailing list, but i keep getting computer
related mails that i systematically delete every day.

if it's not too much trouble could you take me off your list?
(i'm computer illiterate)


thank you so much. sorry for any inconvenience
m


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Date:Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:36:58 -0400
From:Michael Sweet <msweet@BWAY.NET>
Subject: NT Installations

Although Max/MSP is perfect for an installation I've been asked to do, my
client has asked me for PC alternatives. Has anyone done an audio
installation using a multispeaker array (more than 2) on an NT system? If so
can you offer some advice about how you went about it
(hardware/software/drivers)...or another list where I might get some other
suggestions.

Thanks -

--Michael Sweet

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Date:Mon, 12 Jul 1999 16:25:08 -0700
From:Ben Nevile <nevileb@TOWERS.COM>
Subject: powerbook 160

I asked a question a while back about low budget laptops that can handle Max,
and now I need the list's considerable Mac expertise to help me assess the value
and usefulness of a particular machine. I have the opportunity to purchase a


powerbook 160 (68030, 25Mhz, 10 MB ram, system 7.5.3) for about $250 Canadian.
A good deal? Does Max's timing suffer on these older machines? With only 10MB
of ram, will patch complexity be an issue?

Max is really all I want the laptop for. I'm looking at creating a fairly
complex patch or series of patches that sync themselves with a drum machine
that's outputting midi clock.

Thanks for your input.

bbn

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Date:Tue, 13 Jul 1999 04:10:23 +0200
From:filip <filip@RHIZ.ORG>
Subject: chainapply

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thanks stefen & ed
actually the worst is over, i reinstalled max, probably updated the
umenu object, and was able to change the contents of some bad looking
umenues with 'get info'.
these umenues showed 1 64 68 in the first line;
same last bytes of an umenue in text encryption:

max v2;
#N vpatcher 50 40 450 340;
#P user umenu 78 52 100 196645 1 64 68;
#X add rtz;
#X add ghj;
#P pop;

which opens the same thing like

max v2;
#N vpatcher 50 40 450 340;
#P user umenu 78 52 100 196645 1;
#X add rtz;
#X add ghj;
#P pop;

what is a bad object, what a corrupted one?
can i look for it in the text-file?

i hope this was not too confusing.

klaus

lloopp

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<HTML>
thanks stefen &amp; ed
<BR>actually the worst is over, i reinstalled max, probably updated the
umenu object, and was able to change the contents of some bad looking umenues
with 'get info'.
<BR>these umenues showed 1 64 68 in the first line;
<BR>same last bytes of an umenue in text encryption:

<P>max v2;


<BR>#N vpatcher 50 40 450 340;
<BR>#P user umenu 78 52 100 196645 1 64 68;
<BR>#X add rtz;
<BR>#X add ghj;
<BR>#P pop;

<P>&nbsp;which opens the same thing like

<P>max v2;
<BR>#N vpatcher 50 40 450 340;
<BR>#P user umenu 78 52 100 196645 1;
<BR>#X add rtz;
<BR>#X add ghj;
<BR>#P pop;

<P>what is a bad object, what a corrupted one?
<BR>can i look for it in the text-file?

<P>i hope this was not too confusing.

<P>klaus

<P><A HREF="rhiz.org/patches">&nbsp;lloopp&nbsp;&nbsp;</A></HTML>

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Date:Mon, 12 Jul 1999 22:31:27 -0400
From:Stephen Kay <sk@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject: chainapply

>these umenues showed 1 64 68 in the first line;
>same last bytes of an umenue in text encryption:

>max v2;
>#N vpatcher 50 40 450 340;
>#P user umenu 78 52 100 196645 1 64 68;
>#X add rtz;
>#X add ghj;
>#P pop;

Perhaps some extra bytes got saved. I'm not sure. But
could be a symptom of "corruption".

>what is a bad object, what a corrupted one?
>can i look for it in the text-file?

Sometimes, you can indeed see the problems when looking
at the patcher as text. Then you can try to edit it by
hand to fix it. But as far as rules, there aren't any.
Look for things that look strange. Save example patchers
as text and open them to study what they are supposed to
look like. For example, create a new menu in a patcher,
put a few items in it, then save it as text and see what
it is supposed to look like.

Stephen Kay

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Date:Mon, 12 Jul 1999 22:31:25 -0400
From:Stephen Kay <sk@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject: OT: PC Question

Hello Maxers,


Sorry for the off-topic post. But I know some of you are
currently dealing with the PC platform as well as Mac in
your daily work, and you are the most knowledgable group
I know of.

I am ashamed to admit it, but after years of swearing I would
never do it, I have decided I need to buy a PC (gasp!) and =

try to port an application I have been developing on the Mac
to PC.

(Never say never, I guess. I also said I'd never learn
a programming language. Now I use C/C++. Oh well...)

The question is (knowing nothing whatsoever about PCs):

Can I buy just about any reasonably top-level PC laptop and
expect it to run programming and PC music applications, or are
there any features/hardware necessities I need to look out
for?

Thanks for any private or public replies.

Stephen Kay

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