Subject: MAX Digest - 29 Jun 1999 to 30 Jun 1999 (#1999-196)
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Topics of the day:

  1. virtual PC on the Mac? (4)
  2. MAX Digest - 28 Jun 1999 to 29 Jun 1999 (#1999-195)
  3. MAX on Windows
  4. MAX App's Files Type and Creator
  5. NY Max/MSP Users Group meeting
  6. Using function for pitch
  7. grouped audio faders
  8. The Arid State of Peripheral Hardware around Lombard

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Date:Wed, 30 Jun 1999 01:41:12 -0400
From:Ken Gregory <kgregory@PANGEA.CA>
Subject: Re: virtual PC on the Mac?

>
>What is your experience with virtual DOS or Windows emulation on the Mac?
>
>This isn't so far off-topic: I'm looking at various microcontrollers for
>sensor interfacing - and they *all* use the PC for their software
>development. Now I don't own a PC... but it would be really cool to be able
>to toggle the PC-development and Mac/MAX-runtime environments on the same
>computer.
>
>Your recommendations and warnings gratefully received.
>
>Neal

Hi Neal,
I use an old throw away DOS 386 laptop for Basic STamp microprocessor
software development. I started out using an old 286 machine somebody was
throwing away. Just got the DOS for Dummies book from the library to learn
how to use it. Cheap and easy.

Hope this helps.

Ken

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Date:Wed, 30 Jun 1999 07:43:26 +0200
From:Jeffrey Burns <jeff@BERLIN.SNAFU.DE>
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 28 Jun 1999 to 29 Jun 1999 (#1999-195)

>What is your experience with virtual DOS or Windows emulation on the Mac?
>
I use Virtual PC. It's fine for Micro$oft Word. However, the audio files
from CD-ROM's such as those of multimedia encyclopedias don't play.

Jeff Burns

http://www.snafu.de/~jeff

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Date:Wed, 30 Jun 1999 09:17:36 +0100
From:karrer manfred <a9006180@UNET.UNIVIE.AC.AT>
Subject: Re: virtual PC on the Mac?

hi
i have once installed virtual pc on a blue/white 300Mhz mac and the
results were quite disappointing.
it is very slow (like an old performa) and the size of the screen
shrinks because it runs inside a mac window.
cheers
kao-li

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Date:Wed, 30 Jun 1999 11:48:14 +0100
From:FNabais <fnabais@VALENTIM.PT>
Subject: MAX on Windows

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Please don=B4t take my question as an heresy. I=B4ve been a PC user all =
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interest in music, multimedia, etc, brought my atention to MAX for quite =
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information from Opcode S. that in the end of this year they will =
release a Windows version. My question is: can someone confirm me this? =
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interest is MIDI algorithms more than DSP, what will be the drawbacks of =
this choice?
Thanks for your help.
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Date:Thu, 1 Jul 1999 00:48:57 +0930
From:Ross Bencina <rossb@AUDIOMULCH.COM>
Subject: Re: virtual PC on the Mac?

Neal Farwell wrote:
>What is your experience with virtual DOS or Windows emulation on the Mac?
>
>This isn't so far off-topic: I'm looking at various microcontrollers for
>sensor interfacing - and they *all* use the PC for their software
>development. Now I don't own a PC... but it would be really cool to be able
>to toggle the PC-development and Mac/MAX-runtime environments on the same
>computer.
>
>Your recommendations and warnings gratefully received.


I'm mainly using a PC for development these days, but here are some
thoughts:

I know you can run the BasicStamp DOS based programmer on the Mac - it uses
a serial programming interface. Many of the cheaper micro development
systems use a paralell port for programming, you will need a real one not a
virtual one. I'm unable to comment on how well the serial based programmers
would interface to a mac, assuming you even have a serial port - I see that
as your main hurdle.

BTW have a good look at atmel AVR processors before deciding on anything
else.

Ross.

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Date:Wed, 30 Jun 1999 11:44:03 -0400


From:Eloy Anzola <leaddaet@EARTHLINK.NET>
Subject: MAX App's Files Type and Creator

Dear List:

I'm building an application with MAX, and
it would be great if any of the files that
it generates had the App as the Creator.

Any files it generates -- presets, audio
files, text, etc...-- have 'max2' as the
Creator and not the App's Creator.

When running 'ApplicationInstaller1.1' a
new creator was assigned.

Is it possible to have the Files it creates
be of the same Creator ?

This would allow to customize Icons and have
a consistent look for the App and all of it's
Files.

Any help, suggestion or ideas are welcome
and appreciated,
Thanks,

Eloy
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leaddaet@earthlink.net
http://home.earthlink.net/~leaddaet

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Date:Wed, 30 Jun 1999 11:39:28 -0500
From:Dafna Naphtali <dln1@ACF2.NYU.EDU>
Subject: NY Max/MSP Users Group meeting

To NY area Max users (and anyone willing to travel!):

The next NY Max/MSP Users Group meeting has been confirmed. We will meet at:

Harvestworks/Studio PASS
596 Broadway (below Houston)
Room 602
Wed. July 7th, 6:30pm - 9:30PM
telephone # (212)431-1130 (Harvestworks)

PLEASE NOTE TIME CHANGE (start at 6:30pm)

Please write to me directly if you are interested in presenting your work
at this meeting, or any other ideas you may have.


-Dafna Naphtali
Harvestworks/Studio Pass

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Date:Wed, 30 Jun 1999 18:01:13 +0200
From:Sukandar Kartadinata <sk@ZKM.DE>
Subject: Re: virtual PC on the Mac?

>What is your experience with virtual DOS or Windows emulation on the Mac?
>
>This isn't so far off-topic: I'm looking at various microcontrollers for
>sensor interfacing - and they *all* use the PC for their software


>development. Now I don't own a PC... but it would be really cool to be able
>to toggle the PC-development and Mac/MAX-runtime environments on the same
>computer.

I know the problem - I ended up buying a PC just for all that hardware
development stuff.
(In the meantime it's gotten cluttered with loads of little utilities and
various software I'd never planned to install in the beginning. At the
moment I have to learn how to repair the registry..... (if I don't want to
reinstall everything from scratch) - what fun!)

nuff rant, here's two pointers to Mac software for developing PIC code:
http://www.MacRobotics.com/MacPIC.html
http://www.execpc.com/~fdeck/mac/pic203_install.sea.hqx
I haven't gotten to build the programmer, but might do so soon. Could let
you know how it turns out if you want. The software looks kinda OK.

and here's two for Mac PCB development (rather old though)
http://Capilano.com/html/index_mac.shtml
http://www.douglas.com/
I don't use the stuff. Eagle for PC is so much easier to handle.

Hope that helps - the PIC is the only controller I use these days, so I
don't have pointers for the other types. Do you also plan to program DSPs ?


I don't have much experience with virtual/soft Windows. I decided it would
be less trouble to buy a real PC. Also, it's not that more expensive than
the emulation software, especially because you don't need the latest
500MHzPIII.

A general problem is that many development systems require a parallel port.
And even though I have once heard of a serial->parallel adapter you can
almost be sure that it won't work with some (most, all?) programs.


cheers,
Sukandar


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Sukandar Kartadinata
Custom Music Technology
Hagenauerstr. 6, 10435 Berlin, 030-44051219
http://members.xoom.com/Sukandar/
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Date:Wed, 30 Jun 1999 20:49:10 +0200
From:Mats Claesson <mats.claesson@NOTAM.UIO.NO>
Subject: Using function for pitch

Hi Maxers
I have made a patch that controlls pitch. The idea was to make something
very simple, staying away from env.
Can someone please make a coment on this......good....bad. ....ugly.....go
home........
Or maybe..if im lucky tell me how to do it.......

Here is a stripped down version

max v2;
#N vpatcher 310 121 811 611;
#P hidden newex 343 65 45 196617 loadbang;


#P message 230 247 26 196617 200;
#P message 184 79 32 196617 2000;
#P newex 189 200 62 196617 snapshot~ 1;
#P newex 246 51 35 196617 + 100;
#P newex 224 71 32 196617 delay;
#P user GSwitch 174 296 41 32 1 0;
#P message 124 277 14 196617 0;
#P message 142 265 14 196617 1;
#P message 216 374 31 196617 start;
#P message 254 374 27 196617 stop;
#P newex 174 373 29 196617 dac~;
#P newex 174 341 38 196617 cycle~;
#P user function 154 120 266 172 1 1;
#X add 0. 0. 0;
#X add 320. 1. 0;
#X add 1340. 1. 0;
#X add 1380. 1. 0;
#X add 1940. 0. 0;
#X domain 2000.;
#X range 0. 1.;
#X done;
#P message 184 100 68 196617 setdomain \$1;
#P button 154 46 15 0;
#P newex 190 270 33 196617 * 1.;
#P newex 188 176 30 196617 line~;
#P flonum 190 225 71 9 0 0 0 3;
#P newex 190 245 32 196617 + 1.;
#P comment 46 42 100 196617 Button starts pitchbend function;
#P comment 245 295 100 196617 Gate looks after funktion is complete +100 msek;
#P comment 260 249 100 196617 Frequency;
#P comment 291 52 100 196617 Gate gets an extra 100msek befor closing;
#P fasten 22 0 11 0 235 334 179 334;
#P connect 22 0 7 1;
#P connect 21 0 9 0;
#P fasten 21 0 19 0 189 98 287 98 287 46 251 46;
#P connect 20 0 5 0;
#P connect 19 0 18 1;
#P fasten 18 0 15 0 229 91 281 91 281 42 147 42;
#P connect 17 0 11 0;
#P fasten 16 0 17 0 129 293 179 293;
#P fasten 15 0 17 0 147 289 179 289;
#P fasten 14 0 12 0 221 393 208 393 208 367 179 367;
#P fasten 13 0 12 0 259 393 208 393 208 367 179 367;
#P connect 11 0 12 0;
#P fasten 11 0 12 1 179 368 198 368;
#P connect 10 1 6 0;
#P fasten 9 0 10 0 189 116 159 116;
#P fasten 8 0 16 0 159 77 129 77;
#P connect 8 0 10 0;
#P fasten 8 0 18 0 159 67 173 67 173 67 229 67;
#P connect 7 0 17 1;
#P connect 6 0 20 0;
#P connect 5 0 4 0;
#P connect 4 0 7 0;
#P hidden connect 23 0 21 0;
#P hidden connect 23 0 22 0;
#P pop;

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Date:Wed, 30 Jun 1999 19:54:02 +0100
From:david stevens <david@RESONANT.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: grouped audio faders

hi all,

i thought that it would be useful to be able to group a variable number of the


audio faders in the mixer section of my patch. It works functionally (ie the
fader control bit works), but it seems to be that if an audio fader is
controlled by a number box, although the fader moves up and down, the level of
the audio going through doesn't change, you have to move the actual fader for
that to happen.
i'm hoping that i've missed something really obvious here!
in the patch below, you can move the 3 audio faders to any position, and then
move them up and down together using the large vertical fader. There are some
oddities, such as rapidly moving the group fader means that the audio faders
only move a short distance - but there again, you can use the group fader like a
"move-pickup-move" mouse. (ie drag the fader, click near the opposite end of its
range, and then drag again). It may not be kosher, but i can live with it - as
long as i can get the rest of the thing working.
(the [switch] is to turn the option on and off for each audio fader - though
there's only one in this version)

if anyone has time to have a look, i'd be very grateful!

best wishes

david


max v2;
#N vpatcher 253 110 727 561;
#P toggle 187 27 15 0;
#P newex 187 78 40 196617 switch;
#P user uslider 35 71 57 248 157 1 0 0;
#N vpatcher 19 361 267 708;
#N comlet bang out;
#P outlet 61 303 15 0;
#N comlet +/-1 out;
#P outlet 116 306 15 0;
#N comlet fader in (0-158);
#P inlet 72 27 15 0;
#N comlet midi in;
#P inlet 104 29 15 0;
#P newex 104 75 95 196617 scaleX 0 127 0 158;
#P button 126 126 15 0;
#P newex 74 220 40 196617 switch;
#P newex 118 221 40 196617 switch;
#P newex 99 161 27 196617 >;
#P newex 60 160 27 196617 <;
#P message 134 253 14 196617 1;
#P message 98 252 19 196617 -1;
#P newex 85 124 35 196617 bucket;
#P fasten 8 0 3 0 109 97 65 97;
#P fasten 10 0 3 0 77 97 65 97;
#P fasten 5 0 12 0 123 288 66 288;
#P fasten 6 0 12 0 79 288 66 288;
#P fasten 3 0 6 0 65 190 79 190;
#P fasten 0 0 3 1 90 146 82 146;
#P fasten 8 0 0 0 109 97 90 97;
#P fasten 10 0 0 0 77 107 90 107;
#P fasten 7 0 6 1 131 202 94 202;
#P fasten 6 0 1 0 79 242 103 242;
#P fasten 8 0 4 0 109 97 77 97 77 154 104 154;
#P fasten 10 0 4 0 77 154 104 154;
#P connect 9 0 8 0;
#P fasten 0 0 4 1 90 146 121 146;
#P connect 1 0 11 0;
#P connect 2 0 11 0;
#P fasten 4 0 5 0 104 191 123 191;
#P fasten 8 0 7 0 109 97 131 97;
#P fasten 10 0 7 0 77 107 131 107;
#P fasten 7 0 5 1 131 202 138 202;


#P fasten 5 0 2 0 123 243 139 243;
#P pop;
#P newobj 130 320 64 196617 p directional;
#P message 321 109 35 196617 set \$1;
#P newex 376 385 40 196617 accum;
#P user gain~ 321 159 24 100 158 0 1.071519 7.94321 10.;
#P message 249 109 35 196617 set \$1;
#P newex 304 385 40 196617 accum;
#P user gain~ 249 159 24 100 158 0 1.071519 7.94321 10.;
#P message 187 109 35 196617 set \$1;
#P newex 223 387 40 196617 accum;
#P user gain~ 187 159 24 100 158 0 1.071519 7.94321 10.;
#P fasten 10 0 9 0 40 375 114 375 114 299 135 299;
#P connect 12 0 11 0;
#P connect 11 0 2 0;
#P connect 2 0 0 0;
#P fasten 1 0 11 1 228 415 439 415 439 50 207 50;
#P fasten 9 0 1 0 135 363 228 363;
#P fasten 0 1 1 0 206 377 228 377;
#P fasten 9 1 1 1 189 351 243 351;
#P fasten 4 0 5 0 309 413 440 413 440 59 254 59;
#P connect 5 0 3 0;
#P fasten 9 0 4 0 135 363 309 363;
#P fasten 3 1 4 0 268 377 309 377;
#P fasten 9 1 4 1 189 351 324 351;
#P fasten 7 0 8 0 381 413 440 413 440 59 326 59;
#P connect 8 0 6 0;
#P fasten 6 1 7 0 340 377 381 377;
#P fasten 9 0 7 0 135 363 381 363;
#P fasten 9 1 7 1 189 351 396 351;
#P pop;

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Date:Wed, 30 Jun 1999 19:28:04 -0000
From:Nick Rothwell <nick@CASSIEL.COM>
Subject: Re: The Arid State of Peripheral Hardware around Lombard

> No need to call SCV regarding Opcode USB Audio gear.

Unless, of course, I was thinking of buying a competing product like
the VXpocket, which is PCMCIA based and, to my knowledge, works
already. It's expensive though - $700+ - so I'm wondering how it will
compare quality-wise to the SONICport, as and when this becomes
available for the Mac.

--

Nick RothwellCassiel.com Limited
nick@cassiel.comwww.cassiel.com
systems - composition - installation - performance

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