Subject: MAX Digest - 26 Jun 1999 to 27 Jun 1999 (#1999-193)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 00:00:00 -0400
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There are 12 messages totalling 500 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Max to vision midi recording
  2. Talking about hardware... (233->300MHz)
  3. Ge Power 233->300Mhz
  4. listsLib
  5. Record all midi output
  6. USB/MIDI
  7. WireWorks at the Lisbon M=?ISO-8859-1?B?+g==?=sica Viva 99 International
    Festival of Electroacoustic Music
  8. MAX Digest - 25 Jun 1999 to 26 Jun 1999 (#1999-192)/music/midi/
  9. The Arid State of Peripheral Hardware around Lombard (2)
  10. Percussion sound on SC
  11. USB + MIDI is working

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Date:Sun, 27 Jun 1999 00:34:59 EDT
From:Panaiotis Panaiotis <Panaiotis@AOL.COM>
Subject: Max to vision midi recording

You can use the IAC bus to send Max midi info directly to Vision. In OMS you
need to make sure the IAC driver is available and named (I use IAC-A, IAC-B,
IAC-C, and IAC-D). You can have up to 4. Each acts like a 16 channel midi
device. In Vision you need to make one of these devices available (turn it on
in the INPUT DEVICES menu) and make 16 instruments in the Instruments window.
In Max use 'omsinfo' to get the names of the IAC drivers and use one to
assign ports to midiout, ctlout, bendout, etc. Treat these as a midi device.

When you are ready to record, start recording in Vision, switch to Max and
start your processes. When done, switch back to vision and stop recording.

Another way is to send all data to the seq object in Max and save the
sequence as a sequence file (send it a 'write' message). Then open it in
Vision.

-panaiotis

In a message dated 6/26/99 11:01:05 PM, LISTSERV@LISTS.MCGILL.CA writes:

>
>I work on a project with Max and children. Childrens make some musical
>composition with objects (all complex process is hide). Now, I want to
>record all midi output (notes, volume, pitch bend, program change, etc...)
>Is it possible to make that with OMS ? is it possible to send all midi
>output to a sequencer like Vision ?
>

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Date:Sun, 27 Jun 1999 07:11:29 +0200
From:Jeffrey Burns <jeff@BERLIN.SNAFU.DE>
Subject: Talking about hardware... (233->300MHz)

>You can also upgrade the hard disk that comes in a G3 for
>not too much money. There's an IBM 14 Gig IDE drive that
>I found for $249...and it's a 7200 rpm drive, vs the 5400 rpm


>Quantum Fireball that comes with the machine (who names these
>things? the last thing I want my drive to do is explode in a
>burst of flames). If you get a SCSI CD-ROM drive, you can leave
>both drives connected, but in any case, I now realize (after
>doing two of these drive upgrades) that you can just temporarily
>disconnect the CD-ROM drive, plug-in the old hard drive and
>copy its contents to the new hard drive. I know, that probably
>seems obvious to all of you, but I'm a software guy.

Isn't there also a danger of overheating when using a 7200 rpm drive?

BTW aren't there sometimes speed advantages when using 2 drives? How
about replacing the CD-ROM drive with a SCSI CD-ROM and leaving the new and
the old IDE harddiscs attached to the two IDE cables?

Jeff Burns

http://www.snafu.de/~jeff

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Date:Sun, 27 Jun 1999 01:23:08 -0400
From:Nicholas Longo <71477.2332@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject: Re: Ge Power 233->300Mhz

I tried the jumper trick on an out-of-warranty G3/233 and it's
been working quite well. The CPU temperature never goes above 80
degrees F, and weirdly enough, running a CPU-intensive MSP patch
seems to *lower* the temperature!

I'm sorry, I must have missed that post. What's the jumper trick?

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Date:Sun, 27 Jun 1999 11:04:40 +0200
From:Laurent Cerveau <cerveau@CLUB-INTERNET.FR>
Subject: listsLib

Hi Maxers,


Here is a library of externals that deals with lists of numerics:
mathematical operations, first in first out buffer, merger..., with
maximum size of 1024 elements, and full of output options (padding,
type, length...). These objects have been used since a few months by
musicians buddies, ...and they liked them.

It's free, and you can download it at: http://www.mmyneta.com.

More: source code of these objects is provided too.

Enjoy.


Laurent Cerveau
MMyneta

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Date:Sun, 27 Jun 1999 10:29:31 +0100
From:Rob Godman <rob.godman@VIRGIN.NET>
Subject: Re: Record all midi output

> Date:Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:56:17 -0400
> From:
Fr=?ISO-8859-1?B?6WTp?=ric Murray <aae052@AGORA.ULAVAL.CA>
> Subject: Record all midi output
>


> Hello,
>
> (excuse my english)
>
> I work on a project with Max and children. Childrens make some musical
> composition with objects (all complex process is hide). Now, I want to
> record all midi output (notes, volume, pitch bend, program change, etc...)
> Is it possible to make that with OMS ? is it possible to send all midi
> output to a sequencer like Vision ?
>
> I hope my question is clear.
> Thank you
>
> Frederic Murray
> Etudiant a la maitrise
> Faculte de Musique
> Universite Laval
>

Hi Frederick,
Two reasons for responding.....
Firstly, I'd be very interested to hear of your work with Max and
children. Because of the very nature of Max, I've always thought that
the quasi flow chart way of displaying things would make it a good tool
(plus, as you say, you can hide or show as much complexity as you think
fit).
Secondly, I use Max connected to another computer (G3 running Max
connected via MIDI to an Amiga 4000 running a conventional sequencer
called Bars and Pipes professional). This works fine. The sequencer
will record all MIDI data and, obviously, display it to you in a form
that can be read and digested. My computers are set up in a loop so
both receive in and out info (with the loop you have be a bit careful!).
Haven't used it much but the Max detonate object (p.8 Max Addendum) will
do what you require. The capture object could be used to give you a
list of MIDI numbers you produce (again, haven't used it much).
I'm sure you could record to a sequencer within the same machine that
you're running Max on (haven't done it) - although the Mac doesn't
multi-task as well as the Amiga.
Best wishes,
Rob
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T. (44) 01453 521895
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For more information (if slightly out of date......)

http://www.composer.co.uk/musicnow/composers/godman.html
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Date:Sun, 27 Jun 1999 12:42:06 +0200
From:heiniger <heiniger@UBACLU.UNIBAS.CH>
Subject: USB/MIDI

>Anyone out
>there actually using a 100% functional/working USB MIDI interface on a
>Mac?

just tested and found nicely working :
Midimans USB Midisport 2x2 with a Powerbook 400MgHz and OMS


wolf

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Date:Sun, 27 Jun 1999 14:59:38 +0200
From:Georg Hajdu <hajdu@UNI-MUENSTER.DE>
Subject: WireWorks at the Lisbon M=?ISO-8859-1?B?+g==?=sica Viva 99
International Festival of Electroacoustic Music

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The Ensemble WireWorks is proud to announce its participation in the M=FAsica
Viva 99 International Festival of Electroacoustic Music
July 6, 1999 at the Institut Franco Portugais Rua Lu=EDs B=EDvar 91 - Lisbon -
10.30 PM


Concert program

Belinda Reynolds
Multitudinous Verses for mezzo-soprano, keyboard and interactive computer

Manfred Stahnke
Partch Harp for harp and microtonal synthesizer

Georg Hajdu
SLEEPLESSNESS for flute(s), narrator and live electronics

Georg B=F6nn (world premiere)
The Barbed-Wired Piano for mezzo-soprano, flute(s), harp, keyboard, piano
and electronics

Dieter Schnebel
Two Etudes for piano and live electronics

Georg Hajdu
Eine andere Sprache sprechen for mezzo-soprano, harp, piano and electronics

WireWorks is: Annette Kleine, mezzo-soprano; Carin Levine, flute(s);
Christiane Steffens, harp; Jennifer Hymer, piano/keyboard, Georg Hajdu,
electronics and conducting.

Thanks to recent developments in electronics, this concert will be extremel=
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"portable." Most pieces run off a G3 PowerBook with MAX/MSP installed,
requiring very little additional hardware.

For further information please refer to:
http://www.ip.pt/~ip000786/miso.music.musicavivaeng.htmlor
http://www.mhs-muenster.de/Dozenten/Hajdu/WireWorks/WireWorks.pdf

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Dr. Georg Hajdu

Hochschule f=FCr Musik Detmold,
Abteilung M=FCnster
Ludgeriplatz 1
D-48151 Muenster

e-mail: hajdu@uni-muenster.de
http://www.mhs-muenster.de/Hajdu.html
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Manfred Stahnke<BR>
Partch Harp for harp and microtonal synthesizer<BR>
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Two Etudes for piano and live electronics<BR>
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Date:Sun, 27 Jun 1999 11:50:16 -0400
From:John Neilson <jneil@ECHONYC.COM>
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 25 Jun 1999 to 26 Jun 1999 (#1999-192)/music/midi/

>

http://www.apple.com/publishing/music/midi/


>

----------------------- Tear Along Dotted Line -----------------------
John Neilsonwww.mixup.com
jneil@mixup.com"a site for sore ears"

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Date:Sun, 27 Jun 1999 15:29:08 -0000
From:Nick Rothwell <nick@CASSIEL.COM>
Subject: Re: The Arid State of Peripheral Hardware around Lombard

> See http://www.digigram.com/products/VXpocket.htmlfor info on a PC Card
> that does promise MacOS and ASIO support.

Thanks - had a look at that, and Opcode's UK distributor also claim to
ship it. However, "promised" support is not something to rely
on. Apple "promised" fixed MIDI on the original PowerBooks - in the
end, they just dropped their MIDI tools.

> Also, the man from Magma (the company not the band) at NAB said he had
> successfully tested both Korg and MOTU audio cards in their chassis, and
> that they are making a substantially less expensive and smaller 2-slot
> chassis this summer.

Is the chassis 100% compatible with PCI-aware drivers? Does it install
a PCMCIA->PCI driver of its own?

The Opcode SONICport still looks like the best bet (coupled with a
MIDIport 32 for the MIDI side of things) but this means waiting for
both Opcode and Apple to do their stuff (and this doesn't get us to


ASIO - only Sound Manager) so I'm not going to hold by breath.

In any case, it always takes Apple a few months to get the hardware
working properly on any new generation of PowerBooks...

--

Nick RothwellCassiel.com Limited
nick@cassiel.comwww.cassiel.com
systems - composition - installation - performance

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Date:Sun, 27 Jun 1999 15:32:22 -0000
From:Nick Rothwell <nick@CASSIEL.COM>
Subject: Re: The Arid State of Peripheral Hardware around Lombard

> i have a VXPocket on order from Digital Village in Barnet (call SCV
> (or is that SVC?) to find your nearest distributor). According to
> SCV it should arrive any day now, with Mac drivers.

I'm planning to give SCV a call over the next week to see what they
have to say about this area. They claim the SONICport works on the
Mac, I believe.

--

Nick RothwellCassiel.com Limited
nick@cassiel.comwww.cassiel.com
systems - composition - installation - performance

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Date:Sun, 27 Jun 1999 20:29:58 -0400
From:Frederic Murray <aae052@AGORA.ULAVAL.CA>
Subject: Percussion sound on SC

Hello Maxers,

With Max, I can change all my channels on my Yamaha Mu-50 to standard
percussion and go back to normal channels. In school, we have a Sound Canvas
(sorry don't know the model), my patcher for that don't work. Can anybody
tell-me how can I make that on a Sound Canvas ?

Here is a single patch for switch to percussion channel from normal channel
and vice-versa on a Yamaha Mu-50. Channel 1 only.

max v2;
#N vpatcher 50 40 214 219;
#P message 26 88 14 196617 1;
#P message 107 88 14 196617 0;
#P message 78 88 26 196617 127;
#P button 26 47 15 0;
#P button 107 47 15 0;
#P newex 26 115 49 196617 pgmout 1;
#P newex 78 115 52 196617 ctlout 0 1;
#P message 26 88 14 196617 1;
#P message 107 88 14 196617 0;
#P message 78 88 26 196617 127;
#P newex 26 115 49 196617 pgmout 1;
#P newex 78 115 52 196617 ctlout 0 1;
#P comment 9 29 56 196617 Percussion;
#P comment 95 28 39 196617 Normal;
#P connect 10 0 13 0;
#P connect 9 0 13 0;
#P connect 13 0 8 0;
#P connect 6 0 3 0;


#P connect 10 0 11 0;
#P connect 11 0 7 0;
#P connect 12 0 7 0;
#P connect 4 0 2 0;
#P connect 5 0 2 0;
#P connect 9 0 12 0;
#P pop;


Thank you
Frederic Murray
Etudiant en musique
Universite Laval

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Date:Sun, 27 Jun 1999 21:14:38 EDT
From:Bob Ostertag <BOstertag@AOL.COM>
Subject: USB + MIDI is working

Hi all,

news: I am successfully using a MIDIMan MIDIsport USB MIDI interface with a
400mhz laptop. Works great. No problems except that in conflicts with the
driver for the USB superdrive, so I must use different extension sets.
The interface cost $108, and seems to be built quite well.

-- Bob Ostertag

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