Subject: MAX Digest - 24 Jun 1999 to 25 Jun 1999 (#1999-191)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 00:00:00 -0400
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Topics of the day:

  1. correct url for fLOW
  2. file formats (msp-jmax-compatibilities)
  3. Response Success
  4. PACE Challenge/Response
  5. Problem with Midi Formers on a Power PC
  6. Event ASIO drivers released
  7. Response success
  8. Patience Lombard


Date:Fri, 25 Jun 1999 00:23:21 +0000
From:rb <rumble@NH.ULTRANET.COM>
Subject: correct url for fLOW

> Downloading
> ===========
> fLOW, a freeware computer program for Apple Macintosh computers, can
> be downloaded from:

this is the correct url:


Date:Thu, 24 Jun 1999 22:17:39 -0700
From:dudas <dudas@CNMAT.BERKELEY.EDU>
Subject: Re: file formats (msp-jmax-compatibilities)

Francois Dechelle (by way of Manuel Poletti) writes:
>On the contrary, jMax saves patches in a binary format that cannot
>be loaded by Max/MSP. It should be possible to add a "save as .pat"
>functionnality to jMax, but there is no guaranty of a 100%

This would actually be a *very* nice feature to have, and would certainly
be heartily welcomed by the entire Max/jMax user community. It would be
kind of like saving a Microsoft Word document in an earlier version's
format... you might not be able to represent, or might even need to
eliminate some cool features of the newer version, but at least those
people clinging on to the older version will have something to work with.

I think the issue here is NOT object set compatibility, but just being able
to open up a patch and edit it. As you said, the patches won't be
guaranteed to run if they contain objects which might not exist or have a
different name in the other environmant. But if you're using something
like vucterbean~ in your jMax patch, at least you would be able to open
your patch in Max/MSP, realize that the object is not there, and improvise
something to replace it!

Anyway, thank-you both Enzo and Francois for clarifying the binary format
situation. Didn't there used to be a text format for the jMax patches?

Some kind of text file format is actually a convenient thing for users to
have. I know a few people who routinely save their Max patches as text,
because they are then able to recover some of their work in case of a major
hard disk crash, or accidentally corrupted file. (Needless to say, they
learned this lesson the hard way...)



Date:Thu, 24 Jun 1999 22:13:22 -0700
From:David Zicarelli <zicarell@CYCLING74.COM>
Subject: Re: Response Success

Nick Longo <71477.2332@COMPUSERVE.COM> writes:

>That's great, but before I ask for an authorization code I have a question.
>My understanding is that this code is generated for the specific computer
>or hard disk the program is running on? Is this so? If it is, what do
>I do when I upgrade my computer, as I expect to do soon? If I authorize
>an external hard disk, then run it on a new computer (with a new System
>version) will the old authorization code work?

The challenge/response dialog has a disk pop-up menu. You need to
choose the external drive as the one you want to authorize.
Then it functions as a kind of dongle. As long as it is mounted,
you can run the software on any drive connected to the machine.

At least that's the theory.

David Z.


Date:Fri, 25 Jun 1999 02:35:56 -0400
From:"Mr. Jester" <mrjester@FLEDGE.WATSON.ORG>
Subject: PACE Challenge/Response

Hi All -

The way the C/R method works is this: it is tied to the hard drive -
upgrading OS doesnt matter, optimizing doesnt (at last!) I dont think
reformatting does either, but it shouldnt matter - if you move to a
different hard drive, you just get another challenge generated, and call
Opcode and get the response code. (I do not think that Opcode is using
the Cycling 74 C/R variant, where the response works on any computer, but
only for a limited time).

The nice thing is that Max will work for 30 days without authorization,
and you dont have to wait for a floppy to come in the mail, thus lowering
the chances of massive downtime. In theory, you should be able to call
Opcode and have them give you a response over the phone. They have a form
on their site to which they ask you to allow 5 days for a response - even
that seems long to me, considering it is probably about a
five-mouse-click operation for them.

What remains to be seen is whether Opcode will be stingy about giving out
Response codes after the first on the same serial number - I guess time
will tell....


####Mr. Jester|

##########Jer Welter|
#| ** |#"this might just be the sit down
<formal wake for reason"--barkmarket


Date:Thu, 24 Jun 1999 15:55:28 +0200
From:Roald Baudoux <roald.baudoux@BRUTELE.BE>
Subject: Problem with Midi Formers on a Power PC

I have some problems with the the Midi Formers from Serge de Laubier.

For instance, I try to launch the "coll" version of rebond 2.0 (downloaded
from the INA-GRM website) with Max 3.5.8 (FAT version) and I got the
following messages in the Max window :
error : dial : not available for Power PC
error : efunc : not available for Power PC
There are around 20 objects "not available for Power PC".

I know there are stand-alone versions of the Midi Formers but they are
older (1994) and were probably compiled on a 68k Macintosh, so they run
quite slowly on the PowerMac I use and speed is an important matter because
I would like to transmit notes from the Midi Formers to a sequencer to
record them.

So, are there Power PC stand-alones? Or should I ask Serge de Laubier to
build them?

Thank you in advance.

Roald Baudoux
Journalist, composer, teacher


Date:Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:48:39 -0400
From:Johnny DeKam <johnny@NODE.NET>
Subject: Event ASIO drivers released

Event Electronics has released their ASIO driver for Mac --

great price point for PCI audio...
three cards: Layla / Gina / Darla

Johnny DeKam

Unauthorized MAX -


Date:Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:58:16 +0200
From:Oeivind Idsoe <ezueled@MINDLESS.COM>
Subject: Re: Response success

Nick Longo wrote:

> That's great, but before I ask for an authorization code I have a question.
> My understanding is that this code is generated for the specific computer
> or hard disk the program is running on? Is this so? If it is, what do
> I do when I upgrade my computer, as I expect to do soon? If I authorize
> an external hard disk, then run it on a new computer (with a new System

> version) will the old authorization code work?

The way I understand it (though the ways of Pace are beyond comprehension for most of the people
walking the earth), yes,
the old authorization code will work if you authorize an external disk and then move it to
another machine. I don´t think
the new System enters the equation, because I you can basically choose to authorize any disk you
want (I authorized the
disk/partition that Max is residing on, not the system disk, but I guess I could easily have
chosen another "non-Max"

Also, while testing Pluggo, which is also authorized using a ChallRespons mechanism, my system
disk crashed and I had to
re-install, but this didn´t do anything to the authorization for Pluggo on my applications disk.

Also, moving Max to an entirely different (client, other studio, gig-computer etc.) computer
shouldn´t really be a
problem either, as they have allowed a new Max install to run for 30 days without any
authorization what-so-ever. This
means you have plenty of time to get a new response to your challenge, and it sure beats the
intense, existential angst
involved each time you had to deauthorize the harddisk or a crash occurred.

btw, you should probably mail Opcode to be absolutely sure, as I´m only saying what I think.
Perhaps anyone else on the
list has an authoritative/definite answer?



Date:Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:12:17 +0200
From:Oeivind Idsoe <ezueled@MINDLESS.COM>
Subject: Re: Patience Lombard

DeKam wrote:
>Patience is a virtue... the sonic port will surely be available with
>drivers within a couple of months.

As someone who´s currently contemplating getting rid of my desktop Mac
and going all-Powerbook (either a Wall Street or Lombard), and who has
my eyes set on the Sonic Port and a simple USB MIDI interface (if
Lombard), this is the kind of thing that would probably make me wait.
The computer business is so incredibly time lagged that promises about
when a product is supposed to be ready and the date it actually ships
can be dramatic. I could mention the infamous Layla by Event, but that´s
probably too any case, there are numerous
examples...Cubase, Peak 2.0, the new sonicWORX (should be shipping "late
March" according to their previous newsflash on their old "edition"
web-site -- no sight of it yet), Metasynth 2.5, Iomega Buz etc. etc. I
wouldn´t be surprised if the Sonic port became Mac-compatible some time
close to christmas (though I sure hope I am wrong).

What do you currently use for audio I/O? Just the internal soundengine?

>If it's any consolation, I just bought one of the first shipping PCMCIA

>Firewire cards on the market (from RATOC in .jp)I'm able to do
>quality video on my wallstreet now... and 48k audio through my DV

Wow! Now that´s something!

Thought how do you get the video out from the Powerbook into a VCR -- do

you just use the S-Video out?

>-- perfect example of all this is how long it took for MIDI usb
products to
>show up (due to sluggish Apple) - but sure enough they ~eventually~

I noticed others on this list have tried to get an answer to the
question "what´s the current situation concerning USB and MIDI on a new
G3 / new Powerbook?" without much luck. So what´s the deal? Anyone out
there actually using a 100% functional/working USB MIDI interface on a

I thought there were still "issues" (which is sort of amazing
considering the considerable amount of water under the bridge since the
iMac was introduced)...



End of MAX Digest - 24 Jun 1999 to 25 Jun 1999 (#1999-191)