Subject: MAX Digest - 22 Jun 1999 to 23 Jun 1999 (#1999-189)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 00:00:08 -0400
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There are 7 messages totalling 301 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. file formats (Re: msp-jmax-compatibilities)
  2. "MAX la menace" & Authorisation disk repair
  3. Response success
  4. msp/jMax
  5. The Arid State of Peripheral Hardware around Lombard (2)
  6. symbols with spaces

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Date:Wed, 23 Jun 1999 00:08:41 -0700
From:dudas <dudas@CNMAT.BERKELEY.EDU>
Subject: file formats (Re: msp-jmax-compatibilities)

filip writes:

>as jmax deals with mainly the same objects as msp, and jmax AND msp is
>compatible to ircam-max there should be a fileformat or so to open a
>jmax-patch as msp-patch and vice versa.
>any experiences? (it doesn=A5t work with save as text)


More than you ever wanted to know about the various Max file formats:

Opcode Max (and ISPW Max), Ircam's jMax, and Miller's Pd all use different
file formats.

The text file format used by (Opcode) Max on the Macintosh is the same as
the old ISPW-Max 0.26 (on the NeXT) text file format. This is the "mother"
file format which first made an appearance with Max2.0a40, 1989. Max0.2x
and FTS1.x.x on the SGI also read and write this format.

There was at least one early text file format used by Max (version
"2alpha", November 1988, through 2.0a30-ish, mid-1989) which could still be
read by versions of Max up until about the time of Opcode's 2.1.2 release.
Reading this antiquated file format was supported for
backwards-compatibility reasons.

There are two Max binary file formats the "old" binary format (with some
kind of 68k native floating point number representation) which first
appeared around Max2.0a60 (1990), and the "new" binary format which was
adopted around 1992-3 for Max 2.5 (I think), and which is compatible with
subsequent versions of Max on the Macintosh - both 68k and PPC.

It is a little-known fact that ISPW-Max on the NeXT was capable of READING
theMacintosh Max binary file format, although it didn't write these files.

Since MSP is a suite of objects which run in Max 3.5.x, "MSP patches" use
the PPC-compatible Max file formats (text or "new" binary).

The jMax file format is also a text file format, but it is completely
different from the Max file format. While jMax is capable of reading Max
text files (for backward-compatibility purposes with ISPW-Max0.2x), it does
not currently write these files, as far as I know.

The Pd file format is also a text file format. Although it appears to be


some kind of distant cousin to the standard (Opcode or ISPW) Max text file
format, it is, alas, not the same. Pd can not currently read or save the
old Max text file format.

So, the point of this is that you can go from Max to jMax, but not the
other way around. And, although Pd is something of an island right now, I
can't imagine that it will stay that way once its file format becomes
concretized.

If you want to transfer a patch from jMax to MSP, you have to re-build it
yourself "from scratch".

-R

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Date:Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:05:07 +0100
From:Roland Cahen & Ruth Sefton-Green <cahen.sefton.green@WANADOO.FR>
Subject: "MAX la menace" & Authorisation disk repair

Two of key my key disks have had a serious problem.
After refusing to authorise, despite the fact the key icon appears in the
authorizer program, they suddenly crashed.
That meant no more max for my students as well as me at home.
Desastrous !
Fortunetly Norton utilities arrived and all was repaired.
(music)

There is a trick to reckognize disks that have disappeared.
You must insert the disk just while lauching Norton Volume Recoverer.
Then when the disk is reckognized, send Disk Doctor repair the problem and
that's it.
It is then better to lock the key disk.

and they lived happyly ever and so on
(music again)

Roland Cahen

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Date:Wed, 23 Jun 1999 11:53:20 +0200
From:Oeivind Idsoe <ezueled@MINDLESS.COM>
Subject: Response success

Just wanted those who haven´t jumped on it yet that the new Challenge
Response mechanism is now available for everyone who own´s Max (etc.). I
downloaded the new Max 3.5.9-9, sent Opcode the Challenge, received the
Response two days later, and, voilá, goodbye
PACE-floppy-authorization-from-hell.

It seems Pace has finally done something very close to common sense,
because even if you should lose the authorization provided by
chall/respons., Max now works for 30 days *without* any authorization.

Well, it made me happy.

(...and we should thank Apple, I guess. They kicked out the floppydrive
and provoked/forced PACE do something they probably never would have
done otherwise.)

/Oeivind/

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Date:Wed, 23 Jun 1999 17:26:59 +0100
From:Vincent Puig <Vincent.Puig@IRCAM.FR>


Subject: msp/jMax

>
>Date:
Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:58:20 +0100
>From:
filip <filip@RHIZ.ORG>
>Subject: msp-jmax-compatibilities
>
>hi all
>as jmax deals with mainly the same objects as msp, and jmax AND msp is
>compatible to ircam-max there should be a fileformat or so to open a
>jmax-patch as msp-patch and vice versa.
>any experiences? (it doesn=B4t work with save as text)
>
>besides that: is jmax and cycling=B474 friendly to each other??

As long as MSP and jMax are working on different plateforms, we imagine
(like John Lenon) that in the future more compatibilities and
communications will exist and we will encourage developers to make their
objects and patches available for both platforms. Most (not all)
applications distributed by Forum Ircam are running both MSP and jMax
(meaning Macintosh, SGI, Linux ... ).


Vincent Puig
IRCAM
1 place Igor Stravinsky
75004 Paris
=46rance
Tel: 01 44 78 49 59
=46ax: 01 44 78 15 40
email : puig@ircam.fr

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Date:Wed, 23 Jun 1999 20:54:03 -0000
From:Nick Rothwell <nick@CASSIEL.COM>
Subject: The Arid State of Peripheral Hardware around Lombard

I was thinking about blowing a wad of cash on one of the new G3
"Lombard" PowerBooks in order to catch up on MAX activities and get
into MSP properly, so I had a hunt around for information about I/O
devices. So far I've found:

Opcode SONICport (USB). Windows 95/98 drivers. No Mac
support. Waiting on OS support from Apple. Hence: no solution.

E-mu PCMCIA card (8710PS?) with GM clutter onboard. Windows 95/98
drivers. No Mac support. None promised. Hence: no solution.

Magma PCI card cage. Expensive (not even including prices of
cards). Web site rather sparse in terms of information about
compatibility with software requiring "real" PCI cards, especially
since we're talking digital audio here.

It would be great to be able to buy a PowerBook, the Opcode or E-mu
unit, a copy of MSP, and be ready to go with a portable digital audio
system for doing performances. Instead it would appear that the only
audio solution at this stage is the 1/8" headphone jack.

Does anyone have any positive news about doing serious live work with
a G3 PowerBook?

(Btw, an aside: apparently the DVD-enabled PowerBooks enforce the disc
regionalisation in the firmware. The PowerBook is primed with the
region of the first disc it sees. It allows four region changes from
played discs (since some people have been known to take a portable
computer from one continent to another), and then prevents any more


region changes, locking out the now non-regional discs -
permanently. I've not come across anything this daft since Opcode's
USA-only global Internet sales initiative.)

--

Nick RothwellCassiel.com Limited
nick@cassiel.comwww.cassiel.com
systems - composition - installation - performance

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Date:Wed, 23 Jun 1999 16:48:13 -0700
From:Alex Stahl <alex@PIXAR.COM>
Subject: Re: The Arid State of Peripheral Hardware around Lombard

See http://www.digigram.com/products/VXpocket.htmlfor info on a PC Card
that does promise MacOS and ASIO support.

Also, the man from Magma (the company not the band) at NAB said he had
successfully tested both Korg and MOTU audio cards in their chassis, and
that they are making a substantially less expensive and smaller 2-slot
chassis this summer.

I think these products are still vaporware but the vapor seems to be
approaching San Francisco fog density...maybe a decent (but not cheap)
portable will in fact be available this century.

>I was thinking about blowing a wad of cash on one of the new G3
>"Lombard" PowerBooks in order to catch up on MAX activities and get
>into MSP properly, so I had a hunt around for information about I/O
>devices. So far I've found:
>
>Opcode SONICport (USB). Windows 95/98 drivers. No Mac
>support. Waiting on OS support from Apple. Hence: no solution.
>
>E-mu PCMCIA card (8710PS?) with GM clutter onboard. Windows 95/98
>drivers. No Mac support. None promised. Hence: no solution.
>
>Magma PCI card cage. Expensive (not even including prices of
>cards). Web site rather sparse in terms of information about
>compatibility with software requiring "real" PCI cards, especially
>since we're talking digital audio here.
>
>It would be great to be able to buy a PowerBook, the Opcode or E-mu
>unit, a copy of MSP, and be ready to go with a portable digital audio
>system for doing performances. Instead it would appear that the only
>audio solution at this stage is the 1/8" headphone jack.
>
>Does anyone have any positive news about doing serious live work with
>a G3 PowerBook?
>
>(Btw, an aside: apparently the DVD-enabled PowerBooks enforce the disc
>regionalisation in the firmware. The PowerBook is primed with the
>region of the first disc it sees. It allows four region changes from
>played discs (since some people have been known to take a portable
>computer from one continent to another), and then prevents any more
>region changes, locking out the now non-regional discs -
>permanently. I've not come across anything this daft since Opcode's
>USA-only global Internet sales initiative.)
>
>--
>
>
Nick RothwellCassiel.com Limited
>
nick@cassiel.comwww.cassiel.com
>
systems - composition - installation - performance


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Date:Wed, 23 Jun 1999 19:25:56 -0700
From:David Zicarelli <zicarell@CYCLING74.COM>
Subject: symbols with spaces

In the effort to make Max into a cross-platform application,
certain Mac-centrisms are problematic. One of them is the
use of "single smart quotes" to define symbols that have
spaces in them.

Without making single smart quotes invalid for this purpose
on the Macintosh, I would propose to add the "grave" or
"apostrophe" character(`)--located on the same key as the tilde
character on most keyboards--as a new symbol-with-space
delimiter (there is no easy way on Windows or other
platforms to type special symbols such as typographic quotes
as there is on the Mac, at least as far as I can determine). So
here's my proposal:

The Windows version of Max would be able to read files
with single smart quotes, but it would convert these
to the apostrophe/grave character, and allow you to type
this character to define a symbol with spaces. A future
Macintosh version would accept either single smart quotes
or the apostrophe character.

However, the current version of Max would not be able to
read files containing these apostrophe/grave delimited
symbols. The update to the apostrophe/grave version would
be free as long as you downloaded it from the web.

Comments? Anyone have a better character and/or solution?

David Z.

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