Subject: MAX Digest - 2 Jun 1999 to 3 Jun 1999 - Special issue (#1999-166)
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There are 10 messages totalling 715 lines in this issue.

Topics in this special issue:

  1. Digi Setup (2)
  2. buffer question
  3. AM3 Spdif out ?
  4. "intelligent" realtime live sequencing
  5. Subject: Re: AMIII SPDIF out q:
  6. G3 upgrades
  7. 5300 alternatives
  8. AMIII SPDIF out
  9. Network Communication under Max

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Date:Wed, 2 Jun 1999 22:41:11 -0700
From:David Zicarelli <zicarell@CYCLING74.COM>
Subject: Digi Setup

My correspondence with the programmer at Digidesign who
handles the Direct I/O driver interface that MSP and other
ASIO-compatible applications use would indicate that
all the information about hardware configuration is stored
in the Digi Setup file. If the information seems to resist
any changes (using "; dsp driver setup" calls in MSP for
example), it's a good bet that the Digi Setup file is
corrupted and cannot be modified by the system. As the
author of a program for which "throw out your preferences
file" has become part of the standard lore for solving any
problem, I can attest to the utility of throwing away such
files. (However, perhaps you've noticed that in more recent
versions of Max, "Max Preferences" file corruption tends to
happen a little bit less often as I have become a bit more
enlightened about how to keep it from happening.)

I provided the Digidesign programmer with some unsolicited
advice about ways to maintain the integrity of his setup file,
but I have no idea how it will be received.

David Z.

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Date:Thu, 3 Jun 1999 14:41:41 +0200
From:Sven Erga <sven.erga@NOTAM.UIO.NO>
Subject: buffer question

Hello everybody!
I think this question has been put up before on this list, but I'll risk
the blamation.
I am working on a patch which should be able to resize a buffer on the
fly, which I record audio into. I have tried the "size xx" message to
resize the buffer. Can I then use another size message to increase or
decrease the size? There seems to appear clicks when I do this. Must I
then use the "clear" message to avoid this before I make a new
recording?
Best regards,
sven


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Date:Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:16:53 -0400
From:"M. Abidh Waugh" <abidh@MUSIC.UMASS.EDU>
Subject: AM3 Spdif out ?

To the persons w/ Audiomedia 3 problems:When my audio media stops functioning properly, as
it did yesterday, and many times in the past, I simply trash the digisetup preference file and
it works. There seems to be some problems when one uses several different (non-digidesign)
applications to control thecard.

Abidh

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Date:Thu, 3 Jun 1999 14:10:56 +0300
From:Jukka Ylitalo <juylital@CC.HELSINKI.FI>
Subject: "intelligent" realtime live sequencing

>From:Stephen Kay <sk@COMPUSERVE.COM>
>Subject: "intelligent" realtime live sequencing


>Instead of having Max try to decide where to start looping,
>why not just make a certain key (or button, or footswitch)
>start the loop. Obviously you yourself know better than
>Max where you want the thing to loop. I can't see what the
>advantage would be to having it done automatically according
>to some pattern detection, unless having Max decide you
>had made a pattern before you really thought you had is
>some sort of advantage.

Part of the reason i want max to do this automatically is that I am
planning making in a "sequencer installation" where visitor by
walking/jumping on floor can "compose".

jukka

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Date:Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:35:49 +0100
From:lmilo <lmilo@CLUB-INTERNET.FR>
Subject: Subject: Re: AMIII SPDIF out q:

Don't know if my message of 2 days ago got posted,so I repeat. Just
trash the DigiSetup file in the prefs and the digicomm file in the system
folder and restart. This should work. It also works for other stange
StudioVision audio problems.

LMilo

>> I'm using an AMIII card with Max/MSP and am not getting anything out the
>> SPDIF out...I've tested this with other audio apps that use the
>> DigiInit/DAE and it exhibits the same behavior: no signal out from the
>> SPDIF...what's odd is that I am able to get SPDIF into my card from my DAT
>> machine...anyone had trouble with the 3.4.1 DigiInit? is anyone using the
>> Opcode Acadia engine? btw: my card is config'd properly (; dsp driver
>> setup)...please see my config below...
>> thanks in advance,
>> KIM
>
>You're not alone. I have no solution; but I'm experiencing
>exactly the same thing. I thought the card was busted.
>You don't think it's a hardware problem ?
>
>Please keep me informed, thanks,


>
>Eloy
> ------
>leaddaet@earthlink.net
>http://home.earthlink.net/~leaddaet

>There are 12 messages totalling 393 lines in this issue.
>
>Topics of the day:
>
>
1. 5300 alternatives
>
2. AMIII SPDIF out q: (2)
>
3. MAX application without MIDI (reprise) (3)
>
4. AMIII dead output
>
5. MAX Digest - 31 May 1999 to 1 Jun 1999 (#1999-164)
>
6. Talk object
>
7. views on PB 5300 alternatives....
>
8. was that authorizing thing ever sorted out?
>
9. Network Communication under Max
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Date:
Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:56:21 -0400
>From:
Johnny DeKam <johnny@NODE.NET>
>Subject: 5300 alternatives
>
>At that price, a Powerbook 180 is ideal --
>
>1) active matrix greyscale screen(!)
>2) it was the last powerbook with 2 serial ports
>3) FPU unit
>4) trackball works great even if your hands are sweaty
>
>runs Max like a champ
>
>also try 170 and 165 models, though not quite as nice
>
>Johnny deKam
>http://node.net/MAX/
-Unauthorized MAX
>
>
>
>> Subject: Re: views on PB 5300 alternatives...
>>
>> Thanks for all your reponses to my PB 5300 query. To sum them up: MIDI
>> good, DSP bad...
>>
>> So, to turn the question around: which sub-$400 powerbook would people
>> favor best for MIDI-only work, on stage and as a supplement to my base
>> machine?
>>
>> Neal
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date:
Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:55:09 -0400
>From:
Eloy Anzola <leaddaet@EARTHLINK.NET>
>Subject: Re: AMIII SPDIF out q:
>
>Mr. Cascone, always wise, said:
>
>> I'm using an AMIII card with Max/MSP and am not getting anything out the
>> SPDIF out...I've tested this with other audio apps that use the
>> DigiInit/DAE and it exhibits the same behavior: no signal out from the
>> SPDIF...what's odd is that I am able to get SPDIF into my card from my DAT
>> machine...anyone had trouble with the 3.4.1 DigiInit? is anyone using the
>> Opcode Acadia engine? btw: my card is config'd properly (; dsp driver


>> setup)...please see my config below...
>> thanks in advance,
>> KIM
>
>You're not alone. I have no solution; but I'm experiencing
>exactly the same thing. I thought the card was busted.
>You don't think it's a hardware problem ?
>
>Please keep me informed, thanks,
>
>Eloy
> ------
>leaddaet@earthlink.net
>http://home.earthlink.net/~leaddaet
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date:
Tue, 1 Jun 1999 23:16:17 -0700
>From:
Edward Spiegel <espiegel@SIRIUS.COM>
>Subject: Re: MAX application without MIDI (reprise)
>
>Michael Sweet <msweet@BWAY.NET> wrote:
>
>>Subject: Re: MAX application without MIDI (reprise)
>>
>>You can turn off the OMS extension but I assume you wouldn't be asking
>>unless you needed that on.
>
>Yes, I need OMS on since I generally want the ability to boot into a midi
>app in the same boot cycle.
>
>>
Does the
>>initialization of OMS disrupt your patch?
>>
>
>There are two main issues. The first is that the Unity DS-1 OMS driver
>take a long time to load and eats up a big hung of memory. I'd like to
>avoid these inconvenience when running my little applets.
>
>The other issue is that OMS doesn't seem to like multiple MAX applets
>being launched. So if launch my applet, I also have to quit it in order
>to open another MAX based app.
>
>Anybody have any ideas?
>
>--E
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date:
Wed, 2 Jun 1999 08:41:13 +0200
>From:
"Dr. Karlheinz Essl" <essl@EUNET.AT>
>Subject: Re: MAX application without MIDI (reprise)
>
>Edward Spiegel asked:
>
>> Is there a way when using the application builder to have it NOT
>> initialize midi?
>
>You can switch off the MIDI option in the ApplicationInstaller 1.1.1.
>itself. If you don't boot your machine with the OMS system extension, MIDI
>would also not be initialized.
>
>Hope that helps,
>
>
>
Dr. Karlheinz Essl - Composer
>
Vienna / Austria


>Studio for Advanced Music & Media Technology
>http://www.essl.at/
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date:
Wed, 2 Jun 1999 02:56:35 -0400
>From:
"Mr. Jester" <mrjester@FLEDGE.WATSON.ORG>
>Subject: AMIII dead output
>
>------------
>Date:
Wed, 2 Jun 1999 08:39:49 -0800
>From:
anechoic audio engine <anechoic@SIRIUS.COM>
>Subject: AMIII SPDIF out q:
>
>hello,
>I'm using an AMIII card with Max/MSP and am not getting anything out the
>SPDIF out...I've tested this with other audio apps that use the
>DigiInit/DAE and it exhibits the same behavior: no signal out from the
>SPDIF...what's odd is that I am able to get SPDIF into my card from my DAT
>machine...anyone had trouble with the 3.4.1 DigiInit? is anyone using the
>Opcode Acadia engine? btw: my card is config'd properly (; dsp driver
>setup)...please see my config below...
>thanks in advance,
>KIM
>-----------------
>
>hmmmm.....
>funny you should say that. we are running 3.4.1 in our studios, and we
>just lost *analog* out on one, and then another, AMIII card. Since it was
>the end of the semester madness time, we simply said "f*ck it" and started
>using the built-in I/O, and are just now getting around to trying to
>figure out what the problem is. First thing will probably be to switch
>INITs - have you done so? any success? anyone else with similar
>problems? or, better yet, solutions? :)
>
>Jer
>
>
####Mr. Jester|mrjester@fledge.watson.org
> ##########
Jer Welter|jwelter@goucher.edu
>#
| ** |#"this might just be the sit down
>
<formal wake for reason"--barkmarket
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date:
Wed, 2 Jun 1999 08:51:07 +0100
>From:
lmilo <lmilo@CLUB-INTERNET.FR>
>Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 31 May 1999 to 1 Jun 1999 (#1999-164)
>
>I've had exactly the same problem.
>Throw away the "DigiSetup" file in your prefs. folder, and the "Digicomm"
>file in you system folder and restart.
> This is the fix from digi tech support.
>
>Good luck.
>lm.
>
>>Date:
Wed, 2 Jun 1999 08:39:49 -0800
>>From:
anechoic audio engine <anechoic@SIRIUS.COM>
>>Subject: AMIII SPDIF out q:
>>
>>hello,
>>I'm using an AMIII card with Max/MSP and am not getting anything out the
>>SPDIF out...I've tested this with other audio apps that use the
>>DigiInit/DAE and it exhibits the same behavior: no signal out from the
>>SPDIF...what's odd is that I am able to get SPDIF into my card from my DAT
>>machine...anyone had trouble with the 3.4.1 DigiInit? is anyone using the
>>Opcode Acadia engine? btw: my card is config'd properly (; dsp driver


>>setup)...please see my config below...
>>thanks in advance,
>>KIM
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date:
Wed, 2 Jun 1999 03:00:46 -0400
>From:
Stephen Kay <sk@COMPUSERVE.COM>
>Subject: Re: MAX application without MIDI (reprise)
>
>>The other issue is that OMS doesn't seem to like multiple MAX applets
>>being launched. So if launch my applet, I also have to quit it in order
>>to open another MAX based app.
>
>Of course it doesn't, if it thinks they're all the same app!
>
>You might try learning something about creator types and such.
>Don't use the default settings of the application installer.
>
>An application should have a unique creator id. This is used
>when the app logs on to OMS. If you've just created a bunch of
>Max "applets" with the same creator ID, then they will all
>appear to be the same application.
>
>Creating Max applications is not to be taken lightly, if you
>want to do it right. I might recommend "Inside Macintosh"
>CD-Rom from Apple.
>
>Max has made it relatively easy to make an "app". Unfortunately,
>these apps are not guaranteed to be releasable, bug-proof
>Macintosh applications.
>
>Stephen Kay
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date:
Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:06:12 +0200
>From:
Matthew Ostrowski <xbang@IBM.NET>
>Subject: Talk object
>
>Greetings all,
>
>Is there any way to get those beautiful Mac voices back into Max for
>further processing? Talk goes directly to the computer's outputs, not
>through the dac~s, and I was wondering if anyone had figured out a way
>around that....
>
>\M
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date:
Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:06:48 +0100
>From:
filip <filip@RHIZ.ORG>
>Subject: Re: views on PB 5300 alternatives....
>
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>
>So, to turn the question around: which sub-$400 powerbook would people
>favor best for MIDI-only work, on stage and as a supplement to my base
>machine?
>
>Neal
>
>the PB 160 did relieable midi-work for many years to me.


>and note that it offers you two physically serial ports (modem & printer
>not modem/printer)
>so you can use two midi interfaces, which offers two midi-ins without
>merging.
>maximim 14 mb ram is the limitation.
>klaus
>
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><I>So, to turn the question around: which sub-$400 powerbook would people</I>
><BR><I>favor best for MIDI-only work, on stage and as a supplement to my
>base</I>
><BR><I>machine?</I><I></I>
>
><P><I>Neal</I>
>
><P>the PB 160 did relieable midi-work for many years to me.
><BR>and note that it offers you two physically serial ports (modem &amp;
>printer not modem/printer)
><BR>so you can use two midi interfaces, which offers two midi-ins without
>merging.
><BR>maximim 14 mb ram is the limitation.
><BR>klaus</HTML>
>
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>
>------------------------------
>
>Date:
Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:19:16 -0800
>From:
Peter Nyboer <pnyboer@SIRIUS.COM>
>Subject: was that authorizing thing ever sorted out?
>
>After combing through old Max digests and not finding the answer...Is it
>possible to authorize Max on a BluG3 without buying the new bundle? I
>currently have Max on a 7300, but want to transfer it to a BluG3 in order
>to get the most out of a soon to be purchased MSP. Is there any hope?
>
>P.
>
>Peter Nyboer
>pnyboer@sirius.com
>www.slambassador.com
>"Where the land meets the hand"
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date:
Thu, 3 Jun 1999 00:53:53 +0100
>From:
"=?iso-8859-1?Q?Do=E9nado?=, el Ur" <doenado@RAN.ES>
>Subject: Re: AMIII SPDIF out q:
>
>Do not panic. Load Max/MSP and power-on your DAT
>after, it will solve it. My Sony 57ES also looses S/P-DIF matching
>every time MSP loads.
>Can someone put some light on this subject?
>
>>anechoic audio engine wrote:
>>
>> hello,
>> I'm using an AMIII card with Max/MSP and am not getting anything out the
>> SPDIF out...
>
>--
>
>


>
>d
>*
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date:
Thu, 3 Jun 1999 11:56:52 +1000
>From:
David Rodger <auricle@ALPHALINK.COM.AU>
>Subject: Re: Network Communication under Max
>
>>Subject: Network Communication under Max
>
>Hi Rainer,
>I tried e-mailing you privately, but the message bouonced. But my reply
>might be of interest to other MAX users.
>
>>I'm currently working on my Diploma Theses 'NetMusic' which is a
>>cooperative composing enviroment. For this need I was looking for a good
>>networking patch for Max. The needs of the Patch would be the
>>possibility to spread messages, pictures and midi data. Better said a
>>ground to implement the functionality of virtual enviroments on.
>>I had a look at the WC Object, but didn't find it appropriate for my
>>needs. As a max novice I couldn't find any other higer level Networking
>>Patches.
>>Anybody any idea of Max networking patches I could use?
>
>No, but this reminds me of a project I saw in South Africa in 1990. I went
>to the Computer Science dept at Rhodes University, <http://www.ru.ac.za> if
>you want to check it out, and they had a small computer music studio. They
>had few resources, so one of the lecturers there had written a neat
>networking utility to distribute MIDI so that students could share the
>sound modules. Everything was on PCs, as Apple boycotted South Africa in
>those days and there were few Macs in the country (there still are only a
>few, and those are mostly in desktop publishing).
>
>Incidentally, that was the place I first heard about MAX. I got a
>photocopy of a basic English translation of a French manual for an early
>version of MAX (when it was still being developed at IRCAM). I got back to
>Australia and no one knew about it. Six months later, Opcode picked it up!
>
>I've no idea if this project continued. You might try contacting the
>CompSci dept at Rhodes and see what you can find out.
>
>Regards, David
>
>David Rodger:
Audio Engineer, RLSS Lifeguard Trainer,andunemployed!
>mailto:auricle@alphalink.com.auhttp://farben.latrobe.edu.au/motion
>http://www.alphalink.com.au/~auriclehttp://www.alphalink.com.au/~adzohu
>=========================================================================
>
Stop the bloat: no auto-HTML'd e-mail, no ms-tnef, no .vcf
>
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>
>End of MAX Digest - 1 Jun 1999 to 2 Jun 1999 (#1999-165)
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>

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Date:Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:55:28 +0000
From:Keith Cross <KJC@STRUCTURES.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: G3 upgrades

Did anyone respond to Lawrence Casserley on the question of the new Newer
Tech 466MHz
upgrades?
I would like to buy the card fairly soon so I'd be very interested to know :)


BTW- If anyone is selling a G3 266MHz,UK only,....please let me know.
Regards,
Keith


>Date:Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:42:24 +0100
>From:
Lawrence Casserley <leo@CHILTERN.DEMON.CO.UK>
>Subject: G3 upgrades
>
>Hi
>
>I mentioned in passing in a previous post that I might be considering
>upgrading my 266MHz G3 with one of the processor upgrades available.
>Somebody (I've lost the original post) suggested that there may be some
>snags to this.
>
>Newer Technology are now shipping a 466MHz upgrade with 1Mb Backside
>Cache. The price in the UK is about UKP650. This upgrade should in theory
>approximately double the processing power (just what I need to run some
>of my more hairy ISPW patches) , so it seems like a good deal. This would
>certainly seem the best path for me for the time being, and avoids the
>snags with the new blue G3s for a bit. I'd prefer to sit that one out for
>a while, and I've got my present machine configured the way I want it -
>just need more processing.
>
>Has anyone had any experience with Newer Technology products, and/or
>other upgrade cards?
>Are there any hidden snags I should know about?
>
>Things I have read suggest that there shouldn't be any problems, but then
>who believes things they read? And most computer journalists aren't
>running MAX/msp!!
>
>I would be verygrateful for any advice or comments pro or con that anyone
>has to offer.
>
>Best
>
>Lawrence Casserley

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Date:Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:40:27 +0200
From:Peter Castine <pcastine@PRZ.TU-BERLIN.DE>
Subject: Re: Digi Setup

On around 3-6-99 7:41, David Zicarelli said something like:

>I provided the Digidesign programmer with some unsolicited
>advice about ways to maintain the integrity of his setup file,
>but I have no idea how it will be received.

This is unsolicited, too, so no idea how David will receive it;-)

I've noticed that DragThing from time to time pops up an Alert saying
"The DragThing Preferences File has become corrupted. Should I use the
Backup?" [pair of OK/Cancel buttons]. This is invariably after some sort
of ugly crash, although not every system crash triggers the above dialog.

I don't know what James Thomson is doing to detect corruption (maybe some
sort of checksum, or a plausibility check of resources... my DragThing
prefs file is a >400k resource fork, and those of us who have done
programmingw/resources know that they *are* prone to corruption), but
the combination of maintaining a backup of the prefs & ability to detect
corruption has been very handy. So far, the backup has mirrored all the
main settings the way I left them, preventing the normal tedium of


manually restoring preferences after trashing a prefs file...


Just an idea,


Peter

----------------- http://www.prz.tu-berlin.de/~pcastine/-----------------
Dr. Peter Castine| I am very pleased to announce that the
4-15 Music & Technology| 26th International Computer Music Conference
| will take place in Berlin in the year 2000.
| We look forward to seeing you here!

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Date:Wed, 2 Jun 1999 23:48:05 -0800
From:Tim Perkis <timper@ARTIFACT.COM>
Subject: Re: 5300 alternatives

>At that price, a Powerbook 180 is ideal --
>
>also try 170 and 165 models, though not quite as nice

I've used 140s and 145s as well successfully, but now I would recommend a
Duo 230 or 280, if you don't need two serial ports. Significantly smaller
and lighter than 140/145/180 machines, and works great. A classic, really.


_______________________________________________________
T I MP E R K I S

home: (tel/fax)+01 510 528 7241
perkis@artifact.com
http://www.artifact.com/perkis

at Interval Research Corporation:+01 650 842 6281
perkis@interval.com
_______________________________________________________

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Date:Fri, 4 Jun 1999 07:41:08 -0800
From:anechoic audio engine <anechoic@SIRIUS.COM>
Subject: AMIII SPDIF out

thanks to all for your help...I did some poking around on the Digi site
(the online conf section for AMIII) and found some info about the DigiSetup
file in the prefs folder...apparently there might be some weirdness when
installing other audio engines such as the Opcode Acadia where it changes
the setup file...trashing this and rebooting the Mac fixed everything and
I'm now getting SPDIF I/O...I haven't used Studio Vision Pro with Acadia
since trashing the digisetup so I don't know if running the Acadia engine
again "corrupts" the digisetup file...when I go back to my Vision project
I'll report my findings...right now I'm in Max/MSP-land...
thanks again for everyones help!
KIM

__________________________
kim.cascone
sound.designer...composer

kim@anechoicmedia.com
http://www.anechoicmedia.com

Out Now:


blueCube( ) (Rastermusic)
nb2e_Vortex.aiff (Mille Plateaux)
vortexShedding (Caipirinha Music)

"the medium is no longer the message, the tool has become the message"

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Date:Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:49:28 -0700
From:Matt Wright <matt@CNMAT.CNMAT.BERKELEY.EDU>
Subject: Re: Network Communication under Max

Rainer Gutkas <rainer.gutkas@JK.UNI-LINZ.AC.AT> asks:

> I was looking for a good networking patch for Max. The needs of the Patch
> would be the possibility to spread messages, pictures and midi data. Better
> said a ground to implement the functionality of virtual enviroments on.
> I had a look at the WC Object, but didn't find it appropriate for my
> needs. As a max novice I couldn't find any other higer level Networking
> Patches.

Take a look at my OTUDP object, a Max external that sends and receives
messages via UDP. OTUDP's "unit of currency" is a buffer of binary data,
which it happily sends and receives over the network without knowing anything
about what the bytes are or what they mean. You have to write an external to
implement your "protocol", the translation of messages, pictures and midi data
into binary data and vice versa.

It's high-level in the sense that you don't have to know anything about
networking; it does all the buffering and interfacing with the OS to make your
bytes go to the right place. But it's low-level in the sense that it only
deals with your stuff as a bunch of bytes, not caring whether they're images
or MIDI or whatever.

http://cnmat.CNMAT.Berkeley.EDU/MAX/

By the way, speaking of remote virtual conducting, I was very impressed with a
paper I saw at the 1997 ICMC:Dimitri Konstantas, Yann Orlarey, Simon Gibbs,
and Olivier Carbonel, "Distributed Musical Rehearsal".

-Matt

p.s. I've written an OTTCP object too, but got pulled away from it before I
could debug it. Some time this summer I hope to finish it and make it
available to the Max community. Then you can write a web browser in Max!

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