Subject: MAX Digest - 23 May 1999 to 24 May 1999 (#1999-156)
Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 00:00:01 -0400
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Topics of the day:

  1. 2408 and ASIO
  2. PC vs MAC question
  3. I-Cube x AtoMIC & misc questions...
  4. Help with Karlheinz Essl's Lexikon-Sonate
  5. Bomb & MAX (3)
  6. new MSP available
  7. UI wish-list: menu/number box
  8. MAX Digest - 22 May 1999 to 23 May 1999 (#1999-155)
  9. V1
 10. Multiple use of groove~ & buffer~
 11. Mac Vs PC
 12. Sound positioning
 13. Bomb & MAX - Using my own pictures

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Date:    Mon, 24 May 1999 00:25:30 -0800
From:    jhno 
Subject: Re: 2408 and ASIO

>Just wondering if anyone else here is using MSP with a 2408. I have been
>experiencing strange things such as:
[...]
>This is what I'm running: Beige G3/233  OS8.6, 96MB RAM, with AMIII card
>and 2408.

i am running a nearly identical setup, and can not duplicate this behavior.
do you have the latest MSP ASIO audiodriver from the cycling74 web site? i
just downloaded it. the creation date is jan. 19, 1999.

i am using digisystem init 3.1.1 for my AMIII card. MACOS 8.1.

hope this helps
jhno

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Date:    Mon, 24 May 1999 10:12:32 +0000
From:    Helder Luis 
Subject: Re: PC vs MAC question

Stay out of trouble, stay with Apple ;)

Helder Luis

Michael Carlito wrote:

> I wonder if this listserv can shed some light on a question I am
> pondering. You see I have an old Q610 which is presently running MAX
> and EPOSE. I am about to tool up to do some strong multimedia
> environments but it is obvious that I need to upgrade to do so. should
> I be considering a PC for my video editing and programming and use max
> on the Q610 or should I go for the total mac environment. I've been
> checking out power mac 9500 which are pretty impressive but do I need
> all that machine? For the price of used 9500 I can get a screaming PC
> with some good editing software. does anyone have any comments to make
> on this subject?
>
> thankyou
> mike

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Date:    Mon, 24 May 1999 11:56:23 +0000
From:    Helder Luis 
Subject: I-Cube x AtoMIC & misc questions...

Hello, my name is Helder Luis and I'm thinking of buying a I-Cube system,
but
because I live in Europe, I'm afraid I'll pay a lot of taxes, does anyone
knows a place in Europe where I can buy an I-Cube? And what about the
AtoMIC?
How does it compares to the I-Cube?
One more question, where can I find a Dimension Beam in Europe?
And a last one ;) has anyone used IBVA (interactive brainwave visual
analyser)
is it worth the price?

Thanks
Helder Luis

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Date:    Tue, 25 May 1999 00:08:12 +1000
From:    Stickland 
Subject: Help with Karlheinz Essl's Lexikon-Sonate

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I am exploring Karlheinz Essl's "Lexikon-Sonate" program for a thesis =
which examines the musical structure of interactive music programs.  I =
would like to discuss your experiences with Lexikon-Sonate and also seek =
compositions created with Essl's program.  Any assistance is welcomed.  =
Please contact me privately.  Thank you for your help.

Yours sincerely, Blake Stickland.            kenstic@ozemail.com.au

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Dear Max-List,
 
I am exploring Karlheinz Essl's = "Lexikon-Sonate"=20 program for a thesis which examines the musical structure of interactive = music=20 programs.  I would like to discuss your experiences with = Lexikon-Sonate and=20 also seek compositions created with Essl's program.  Any assistance = is=20 welcomed.  Please contact me privately.  Thank you for your=20 help.
 
Yours sincerely, Blake = Stickland.   =20         kenstic@ozemail.com.au<= /DIV> ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01BEA642.ADBAB7A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 12:53:04 -0400 From: Eloy Anzola Subject: Re: Bomb & MAX Garth, you asked: > but have not been able to get a the same > colour pallette as when I run Bomb by it's self let me know if this helps, : save as 'bombcolor01': max v2; #N vpatcher 50 40 440 170; #P message 132 28 42 196617 letter q; #P number 13 28 35 9 0 0 0 3; #P message 13 51 71 196617 color-type \$1; #P newex 13 73 49 196617 bomb 1 1; #P comment 64 75 100 196617 double click to start; #P comment 49 29 71 196617 change color; #P comment 175 28 159 196617 changes palette ( but only for certain "color-types" 2 \, 3 \, 5...); #P connect 5 0 4 0; #P fasten 6 0 3 0 137 69 18 69; #P connect 4 0 3 0; #P pop; Also: > I also tried replacing the images in "suck" and had no luck. > It's important to edit the 'suck-dir' file to include the names of the pictures in the 'suck' folder. Even when I do this my Mac crashes. If a way to change the 'suck' folder with original pictures, on a Macintosh, is found I will let you know. Good luck, all the best, Eloy ------ leaddaet@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~leaddaet ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 01:51:37 -0700 From: David Zicarelli Subject: new MSP available MSP 1.0 revision 6.1, a minor update, is now available on the Cycling '74 site at http://www.cycling74.com. There is an updater to 6.1 available for previous versions. There's also a 1.0.4 bug fix update for pluggo, including a way to get only the files that changed without having to use the update installer. David Z. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 14:47:13 -0400 From: "Mr. Jester" Subject: Bomb & MAX leaddaet@EARTHLINK.NET wrote: ----- These could be so much more powerful if I could add my own pictures. I have tried many different ways to replace the pictures ( in the suck folder) to no avail. How were the original pictures created ? how can I, on a Macintosh, create my own ? ----- A student in our studios had similar issues. The pictures used for Bomb apparently have to be TIFFs saved as PC byte order (*not* Mac byte order). Photoshop can do this, I'm sure there are other programs that can as well. Jer Welter # ## # Mr. Jester | mrjester@fledge.watson.org ########## Jer Welter | jwelter@goucher.edu # | ** | # "this might just be the sit down < formal wake for reason" --barkmarket ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 15:05:32 -0000 From: Kurt Ralske Subject: UI wish-list: menu/number box Just a random idea about user interface -- file under "wish-list". For controlling parameters, I often use a menu full of favorite values -- but also a number box for entering new values that might be needed on the fly. While looking at many of these pairs on a rather cramped screen, it occured to me that it would be possible to combine the two -- a number box that changes value when you drag on it, and when double-clicked turns into a scrollable menu. If someone developed something like this, I'm sure many future generations of MAX users would be grateful. ; ) Kurt Ralske ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 22:06:55 +0200 From: Georg Hajdu Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 22 May 1999 to 23 May 1999 (#1999-155) > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 15:07:55 -0400 > From: Christopher Murtagh > Subject: 2408 and ASIO > > Greetings Maxers, > > Just wondering if anyone else here is using MSP with a 2408. I have been > experiencing strange things such as: > > 1) When MSP starts up, I have to hit 'escape' after if found the AISO > drivers and loaded them, otherwise it will wait for ever. > > 2) If I make any changes to any audio routing to adc~ or dac~ , or I try = to > stop the audio, the status becomes disabled instead of off. The only > solution is to quit and restart MSP. > > Anyone else experience this? Should I remove the Digi Init? > > This is what I'm running: Beige G3/233 OS8.6, 96MB RAM, with AMIII card > and 2408. > > Cheers, > > Chris > > Chris- This is what I'am running with the MOTU 2408--without the slightest problem= s and *with* the Digi Init installed: PowerBook G3 250MHz, MAGMA PCI Expansion System, OS8.5.1, 64MB RAM. I suspect that either the two cards don't like each other, or the culprite is MacOS 8.6. -Georg BTW, I am interested in one copy of the MAX-list CDs. What do I need to do? *************************************************** Dr. Georg Hajdu Hochschule f=FCr Musik Detmold, Abteilung M=FCnster Ludgeriplatz 1 D-48151 Muenster e-mail: hajdu@uni-muenster.de http://www.mhs-muenster.de/Hajdu.html **************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 16:37:41 -0700 From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: V1 The Doremi V1, like most hard-disk video recorders (see also Accom, Abekas, Sierra Design Labs...), has an RS-422 port that uses the Sony "P2" protocol. This port is electrically compatible with a Mac serial port, so an adapter cable will work between this 9-pin connector to a Mac serial port (assuming your Mac still has a serial port!) and you can then use the serial object to send commands to locate, play, varispeed, etc. This is quite a bit easier than generating timecode snippets, and gives you access to other features of the device (like recording!) Their URL is http://www.doremilabs.com. Details on the protocol are usually available from the equipment manufacturer, but here is a link that should give you the basic idea: http://www.well.com/user/rld/vidpage/s9pin.html I have some old P2 Max patches which worked with a Sony PCM-7030 DAT machine, maybe I can try and resurrect them. -Alex Stahl >>Can you post the URL for this Doremi Labs V1 device... its new to the list - >the V1 works off timecode - MTC,SMPTE,LTC,VITC, >whatever, and attaches its clips to that, so basically you're just playing >back the timecode with whatever is attached to it. consequently, as i have >found, its not the ideal device to use with Max, i still haven't cracked >the problem of getting i-cube information to translate into MTC cues. the >using Max to control cubase plan seems the most appropriate alternative, >but i haven't been able to get the two to talk and when cubase is running >my Max patch/es won't. very confusing and frustrating. i haven't managed to >'bluff' timecode either. any on-line tutorials on using Max with other apps >via the IAC bus out there?? > >so...i'm still up for suggestions and i'll post more info and a URL for the >device when i have them. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 17:09:03 -0700 From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: Multiple use of groove~ & buffer~ At 12:39 PM -0700 5/14/99, Roland Cahen & Ruth Sefton-Green wrote: >By the way : >How can one load 8 buffer~ all at the same time, when one doesn't know the >name of the sound in advance ? (whithout repeating 8 times the selection) Yes, I have the same question but I don't think it is currently possible. It would be nice if a 'read' message connected to multiple buffer~s, somehow magically brought up just one file selection dialog. I often need to load two buffers with the same file (yes, it's a hack and a waste of memory but it is part of the only truly glitch-free varispeed delay-loop patch I've seen). ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 20:37:39 EDT From: JohnBrit@AOL.COM Subject: Mac Vs PC In a message dated 5/23/99 20:03:18, you wrote: > >I wonder if this listserv can shed some light on a question I am >pondering. You see I have an old Q610 which is presently running MAX >and EPOSE. I am about to tool up to do some strong multimedia >environments but it is obvious that I need to upgrade to do so. should >I be considering a PC for my video editing and programming and use max >on the Q610 or should I go for the total mac environment. I've been >checking out power mac 9500 which are pretty impressive but do I need >all that machine? For the price of used 9500 I can get a screaming PC >with some good editing software. does anyone have any comments to make >on this subject? --------------------------------------------------------------------- Well, As a fifteen year Mac User I reluctantly bought a 233MHz Pentium as much of the programming software that I use is written in the Orient and they don't really know what a Mac looks like there. The plusses are - peripherals half the price, ten times as much software available, IT HAS BEEN ON FOR EIGHT MONTHS AND HAS NEVER CRASHED. I think the Windows OS stinks but I've got to say that if I was on a computer controlled life support system I'd feel a lot safer with the PC. Since there is so much snobbery with Mac users ( and I still exhibit this quite frequently too) do not expect too much sympathy from Max users for even considering the herecy of buying a PC. JW ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 03:42:20 +0200 From: Tim Boykett Subject: Sound positioning Hello Maxers, Several months ago there was a spate of discussion about MIDI controlled crosspoint mixers, and in the midst of it all someone referred to a paper about algorithms for the placement of sound in multispeaker environments. As far as I remember it was in the Computer Music Journal or somesuch. As you can tell, my filing system has gone astray and I can't find the reference anymore. Could someone help me with a pointer to the article? Or even better, with a copy of the article since I am between a technical uni and a hard place - no computer music journals within easy-ish reach. Cheers, Tim -------- ------------------------------------ \ / Tim Boykett mailto:tim@timesup.org \ / TIME'S UP \/ Industriezeile 33 B /\ A-4020 Linz /xx\ ph/fax:+43/732-787804 /xxxx\ http://www.timesup.org -------- ------------------------------------ ! Help B92 and the independent media in Yugoslavia: http://helpB92.xs4all.nl ! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 21:46:50 EDT From: Scott Draves Subject: Re: Bomb & MAX - Using my own pictures I am happy to report that Eloy Anzola's problem with replacing the default images in bomb was resolved on the bomb forum, a web site for the discussion of all things bomb. The URL is http://draves.org/HyperNews/get.cgi/bomb.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 22:00:51 -0400 From: Eloy Anzola Subject: Re: Bomb & MAX Mr Jester Welter suggested: > A student in our studios had similar issues. The pictures used for Bomb > apparently have to be TIFFs saved as PC byte order (*not* Mac byte order). > Photoshop can do this, I'm sure there are other programs that can as well. This has done the trick. Thanks. As Bomb own's Scott Draves also suggested, it's important to make the last line of the 'suck-dir' file a dot '.' ; like so: image01.tif image02.tif image03.tif . Thanks to everybody for their help, Eloy ------ leaddaet@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~leaddaet ------------------------------ End of MAX Digest - 23 May 1999 to 24 May 1999 (#1999-156) **********************************************************