Subject: MAX Digest - 13 May 1999 to 14 May 1999 (#1999-146)
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 00:00:06 -0400
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There are 12 messages totalling 419 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Doremi V1
  2. time of day object
  3. timeout
  4. MAX doesn't find objects any more...
  5. timecode
  6. Multiple use of groove~ & buffer~
  7. news items
  8. preset object
  9. tapin~ tapout~ problems
 10. timeout part 2
 11. Streamed project
 12. Special Max Offer for Students


Date:    Fri, 14 May 1999 00:37:48 -0400
From:    Johnny DeKam 
Subject: Doremi V1

Can you post the URL for this Doremi Labs V1 device... its new to the list -

We would like to know more!

Johnny DeKam

Unauthorized Max

>Andy g wrote:

> i'm not sure wether i'm having trouble or wether i'm just confused. i'm
> working with a laser triggering matrix hooked up via an i-cube to samplers
> and this beautiful MIDI'd up Doremi Labs V1 video device. i need to send
> the V1 timecode from Max to select clips for playback from its hard drive.


Date:    Fri, 14 May 1999 09:18:37 +0200
From:    »yvind Brandtsegg 
Subject: time of day object

Hi maxers :-)
Someone know of an object that reports time-of-day as given by the MacOS
clock ?
I seem to recall someone mentioning it, but I can recall what it was.
Thanks for your help.

Oeyvind Brandtsegg


Date:    Fri, 14 May 1999 11:56:08 +0100
From:    Tim Boykett 
Subject: Re: timeout

I have only used MTC with Max once, and the solution that
I came to was to either:

 - create it myself, sending the magic number (that I cannot remember
offhand) every n milliseconds. The numbers were around
20 milliseconds per emission, for a "normal" speed.

 - use some sequencing program in the background, giving much
better resolution. This feeds into the IAC bus, max picks it
up and uses it itself, and forwards it to the midi port for
the external devices.

I am sure there should be a better way to do this, but I seem to remember
a lot of hassles to get things to work the way I thought they would,
and should. Thus the rather strange solutions above.

I hope this helps a little.


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Date:    Fri, 14 May 1999 10:07:41 -0400
From:    Neal Farwell 
Subject: Re: MAX doesn't find objects any more...

When I launch MAX by double clicking a patch, objects are often mislaid.
The patches are fine if I launch MAX directly then open the patch.

Is this normal or am I doing something wrong?



Date:    Fri, 14 May 1999 09:49:23 -0700
From:    Peter Elsea 
Subject: timecode

Although max can follow timecode, it cannot generate it with enough
accuracy to be any use. (Believe it or not, there are devices out there
that will crash if the time code is not within spec.) OMS 2 will not output
MTC directly. (Timeout only works with MIDI Manager, and merely sets the
I've written a tutorial on the subject, which you can download (in word 5.1
format) from

Or you can read it online at

To follow SMPTE timecode, you need a SMPTE to MTC convertor, such as the JL
Cooper PPS 2 or an interface that reads SMPTE directly, such as the Studio
64 XTC. Either device can act as a SMPTE generator. Once you get one of
these, you have synchronized all of your MIDI applications, so it's
probably a better investment than the time required to write a sound
manager or msp based SMPTE follower.
Peter Elsea
Electronic Music Studios
University of California, Santa Cruz


Date:    Fri, 14 May 1999 20:39:32 +0100
From:    Roland Cahen & Ruth Sefton-Green 
Subject: Multiple use of groove~ & buffer~

>Greetings all:
>I have a question regarding groove~.  I am currently trying to set up an
>installation using 8 channels of audio.  Without going into the details, I
>am sampling various parts of the same aiff file loaded into buffer~;
>different parts being played at the same time out different channels.  For
>each sampling I have a 1 sec fadein and fadeout, but I've noticed,
>especially since all my samples are of different lengths, that when one
>sample fades out, all the samples fadeout.  Same with fadein.  Any
>suggestions on how to get around this?  sfplay~ might be an option, but up
>to 20 samples are played at a time, and my hard disk isn't happy about
>reading 20 files at the same time.

I'm not quite shure I understand how you are making your fades.
But changing the volume of the output shouldn't influence the groove~
A quite good way to avoid mismatches when doing multiple use of such object
is often to multiply it : 8 buffer~ and 8 groove~.

By the way :
How can one load 8 buffer~ all at the same time, when one doesn't know the
name of the sound in advance ? (whithout repeating 8 times the selection)

Roland CAHEN


Date:    Fri, 14 May 1999 13:10:18 -0700
From:    David Zicarelli 
Subject: news items

Cycling '74 released pluggo yesterday, and we have a new web site
to go with it (as if anyone cares about web site design). Since
it's a frame site now, will let you see it in
all its subdued glory. The site has been very slow, and we are
fantasizing that this is because people are checking it out!

If you own MSP, you can get pluggo for free. We're in the process
of spamming all MSP customers with the details, so please don't
ask us about it until you get the e-mail message. Note that you
don't need to have Max or MSP to use pluggo. Just a VST-compatible
sequencer like Cubase or Vision.

Also, I wanted to mention that Cycling '74 recently became a corporate
sponsor of the Electronic Music Foundation. We are planning some
things with EMF that I think will benefit the Max community. More
details soon. The EMF is at

David Z.


Date:    Fri, 14 May 1999 21:44:52 +0000
From:    Helder Luis 
Subject: Re: preset object

Hello, just one question, does anyone knows a way to output a full screen
oscilloscope from MAX to another monitor (s-video or dual screen from a PB
G3) using MSP... or other tool. It has to look like the original

Helder Luis


NOTYPE - graphic design and multimedia

P. O. Box 356
4490 Povoa de Varzim - Portugal

Phone: 351.52.617896 - 351.931.7427066


Date:    Fri, 14 May 1999 22:39:24 +0100
From:    Lawrence Casserley 
Subject: tapin~ tapout~ problems


I keep having problems with tapin~ and tapout~ to the bottom of which I
cannot get!

1 - A message to change the tap times in a multiple output tapout~ does
not work. The first tap time is not changed, and the first time in the
list is applied to the second, the second to the third, etc. Using unpack
works correctly. Is this a feature? :-)>

2 - I am using a number of individual tapout~s in separate subpatchers
with the tap link going through inlets. I had some trouble getting this
to work initially, but have had a patch with four tapin~s linking to four
voices of tapout~s in a polyphonic system running successfully for about
a year. Now I am trying to implement a simpler system with one tapin~
linked to eight voices in subpatchers. It was working fine yesterday, but
today it refuses to run. If I change the tapin~ to a slightly different
delay time it usually, but not always, then kicks in, but saving the new
version and restarting _always_ fails. All the components are tried and
true patchers which have been running fine for months. I have tried
eliminating various bits of the system to see if it helps. I just can't
see that I am doing anything wrong - and the gig is on Sunday - it was
all going so well!  :-(>

Oh well, two other computers had problems today as well - maybe it will
be OK tomorrow!! PLEASE!!! ;-)>

Anyone got any thoughts? I'll have to fudge it for Sunday, but I need to
get it sorted eventually.

While I am on the subject, permit me one small rant! I find the named
delwrite~ and delread~ used on the ISPW infinitely more intuitive and
flexible. The tap link seems to be an anomaly in the system - you can't
use send and receive (or send~ and receive~) to get around the problem.
It seems to be a bit unreliable through inlets/outlets also. Does anyone
else have any views on this?  Oh yes, and I don't like the names either!

DZ - what chance of an alternative? No doubt you had a good reason for
changing it, but I can't see it at the moment.

All the best


Lawrence Electronic Operations - Tel +44 1494 481381 - FAX +44 1494 481454
Signal Processing for Contemporary Music - email


Date:    Fri, 14 May 1999 22:02:02 +0000
From:    andy gracie 
Subject: timeout part 2

further to my earlier post about timeout problems.......

>i'm not sure wether i'm having trouble or wether i'm just confused. i'm
>working with a laser triggering matrix hooked up via an i-cube to samplers
>and this beautiful MIDI'd up Doremi Labs V1 video device. i need to send
>the V1 timecode from Max to select clips for playback from its hard drive.
>now...... how the **** do i get Max to send MIDI time code to an external
>device? from what i've gleaned from the Max manuals, using apple midi
>manager i can send MTC to external devices but not using OMS. So, i tried
>to switch Max over to MIDI manager, reloaded extensions, changed sets
>etc., but Max won't let me change over, the 'MIDI set up' option becomes
>greyed out.
>my main questions are:-
>How do i get Max to send MTC to external devices using OMS? or
>How do i change Max to use MIDI manager?
>Are there any externals i could use instead of timeout?
>Anybody got any other suggestions?

been trying another couple of methods today. i managed to get timecode into
the V1 out of cubase so the video clips are locked on. i then thought that
i could use the IAC bus to get the timeout object in Max to send the
timecode into cubase to send on to the V1. hmmmm... no joy, despite various
attempts i couldn't get cubase to listen to Max. Also when cubase was open
the i-cube patch i was using wouldn't run at all.

so, questions again....

how do i get Max to send timecode to an external device when i'm using OMS?
alternatively (but less desirable) how to i get Max to send timecode to
another app that can send timecode to an external device?

sorry for hogging bandwidth here but this IS my first post for a while!!

cheers all



Date:    Sat, 15 May 1999 04:46:52 -0600
From:    Ken Gregory 
Subject: Streamed project

Hello People,

Just a quick note to say that my audio installation 'under the influence of
ether' is being presented as a live RealAudio  stream continuosly from the
Sync or Stream conference at the Banff Centre May 14, 15, 16, 17, 18.

   is the URL, just click on RA icon above 'audio installation by Ken
Gregory' at the bottom of the main page to hear it. You'll need the Real
Audio player and at least a 28.8 modem connection.

'under the influence of ether' is produced with Max. The composition is
autonomous and continuos and will be running 24 hours a day for the period
of the conference. The wsite has some info about the project and myself.

If any of you have any questions about the project please feel free to
contact me.

Check out all the other stuff too!


Ken Gregory
300B- 52 Albert Street
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada R3B 1E8
ph. 204-942-7510  fax 204-942-1555


Date:    Fri, 14 May 1999 16:37:46 -0700
From:    Boris Popkoff 
Subject: Special Max Offer for Students

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End of MAX Digest - 13 May 1999 to 14 May 1999 (#1999-146)