Subject: MAX Digest - 14 Apr 1999 to 15 Apr 1999 (#1999-116)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 00:00:08 -0400
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There are 12 messages totalling 696 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. laptop
  2. new newrev~
  3. cd problems? (2)
  4. MSP authorization question
  5. The Appearance Machine
  6. Laptop
  7. laptop (#1999-115)
  8. Laetitia Sonami
  9. CD object
 10. MAX Digest - 13 Apr 1999 to 14 Apr 1999 (#1999-115)
 11. msp asio ????

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Date:    Thu, 15 Apr 1999 01:06:34 -0400
From:    Ken Gregory 
Subject: Re: laptop

>
>I'm looking to use Max (not MSP) in a dark live situation.  Reliability is,
of
>course, paramount.  I am looking into purchasing an older laptop to do the
job,
>since I don't need MSP.  What models work best, and which should I avoid?
>

I've been using a PB-540 I found really cheap lately with good results.
It's a 68k 040 33mhz. I'm running with the latest OMS, an old Opcode Studio
1  MAc/midi interface and Max3.5.9. My main activity with the 540 is live
MIDI performance with Ken's Ultra Cheap Granular Synthesis(USGS), outboard
MIDI processing, a PowerGlove and/or an iCube. Very reliable.

On the other hand a Max patch I have for live performance using the
AiffPlayer object doesn't work quite right on the 540, meaning there is a
very noticable delay between the time I command a cue/play and when the
Aiff file actually starts playing. Where as my Quadra 840AV 68k 040 40 mhz
(not a laptop) will do just fine with that same patch.

Hope this helps.

ken

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Date:    Wed, 14 Apr 1999 22:17:41 -0700
From:    dudas 
Subject: new newrev~

I have further modified the newrev~ that I posted a couple of days ago.  it
will now run cleanly without the vector size restriction, and it sounds
even better, although it's more expensive in terms of CPU.

-R

(use this newrev~ with the previous help file)

save this patch with the name: "newrev~"
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max v2;
#N vpatcher 117 49 500 488;
#P newex 172 213 27 196617 +~;
#P newex 143 213 27 196617 +~;
#N vpatcher 166 100 765 456;
#P outlet 378 259 15 0;
#P outlet 278 259 15 0;
#P outlet 173 259 15 0;
#P outlet 73 259 15 0;
#P inlet 489 65 15 0;
#P newex 378 111 90 196617 tapin~ 88.994652;
#P newex 278 111 90 196617 tapin~ 75.468445;
#P newex 173 111 90 196617 tapin~ 69.965569;
#P newex 73 111 90 196617 tapin~ 57.226429;
#P newex 73 227 27 196617 *~;
#P newex 378 227 27 196617 *~;
#P newex 173 227 27 196617 *~;
#P newex 278 227 27 196617 *~;
#P newex 489 185 30 196617 line~;
#P newex 73 130 95 196617 tapout~ 57.226429;
#P newex 278 130 95 196617 tapout~ 75.468445;
#P newex 173 130 95 196617 tapout~ 69.965569;
#P newex 378 130 95 196617 tapout~ 88.994652;
#P inlet 378 65 15 0;
#P inlet 278 65 15 0;
#P inlet 173 65 15 0;
#P inlet 73 65 15 0;
#P comment 151 169 199 196617 you could also add a lowpass filter HERE to
dampen the reverberation;
#P connect 1 0 14 0;
#P connect 14 0 8 0;
#P connect 8 0 13 0;
#P connect 13 0 19 0;
#P connect 9 0 13 1;
#P connect 2 0 15 0;
#P connect 15 0 6 0;
#P connect 6 0 11 0;
#P connect 11 0 20 0;
#P connect 9 0 11 1;
#P connect 3 0 16 0;
#P connect 16 0 7 0;
#P connect 7 0 10 0;
#P connect 10 0 21 0;
#P connect 9 0 10 1;
#P connect 4 0 17 0;
#P connect 17 0 5 0;
#P connect 5 0 12 0;
#P connect 12 0 22 0;
#P connect 9 0 12 1;
#P connect 18 0 9 0;
#P pop;
#P newobj 145 288 107 196617 p late_reverberence;
#P newex 114 213 27 196617 +~;
#P newex 85 213 27 196617 +~;
#N vpatcher 169 109 488 343;
#P outlet 185 178 15 0;
#P outlet 142 178 15 0;
#P outlet 109 178 15 0;
#P outlet 65 178 15 0;
#P inlet 219 48 15 0;
#P inlet 159 48 15 0;
#P inlet 126 48 15 0;
#P inlet 65 48 15 0;
#P newex 65 83 27 196617 +~;
#P newex 185 141 27 196617 -~;
#P newex 142 141 27 196617 -~;
#P newex 109 141 27 196617 +~;
#P newex 65 141 27 196617 +~;
#P newex 202 83 27 196617 -~;
#P newex 159 83 27 196617 +~;
#P newex 109 83 27 196617 -~;
#P connect 8 0 7 0;
#P connect 7 0 3 0;
#P connect 3 0 12 0;
#P connect 9 0 7 1;
#P connect 1 0 3 1;
#P connect 8 0 0 0;
#P connect 0 0 4 0;
#P connect 4 0 13 0;
#P connect 9 0 0 1;
#P connect 2 0 4 1;
#P connect 7 0 5 0;
#P connect 5 0 14 0;
#P connect 10 0 1 0;
#P connect 1 0 5 1;
#P connect 11 0 1 1;
#P connect 0 0 6 0;
#P connect 6 0 15 0;
#P connect 10 0 2 0;
#P connect 2 0 6 1;
#P connect 11 0 2 1;
#P pop;
#P newobj 145 259 84 196617 p more_diffusion;
#N vpatcher 50 40 578 325;
#P outlet 80 180 15 0;
#P outlet 63 180 15 0;
#P newex 80 133 292 196617 biquad~ 0.329295 -0.425046 0.105002 -1.562412
0.571663;
#P newex 63 115 292 196617 biquad~ 0.329295 -0.425046 0.105002 -1.562412
0.571663;
#P hidden message 358 49 194 196617 1. 0.959184 0.897959 0.755102 0.632653
0.530612 0.489796 0.44898 0.428571 0.428571 0.428571 0.428571 0.428571
0.428571 0.408163 0.367347 0.306122 0.22449 0.183673 0.183673;
#P hidden newex 358 25 45 196617 loadbang;
#P user multiSlider 237 162 232 51 0. 1. 20 2681 15;
#P outlet 46 180 15 0;
#P outlet 29 180 15 0;
#P newex 46 97 292 196617 biquad~ 0.329295 -0.425046 0.105002 -1.562412
0.571663;
#P newex 29 79 292 196617 biquad~ 0.329295 -0.425046 0.105002 -1.562412
0.571663;
#P inlet 80 33 15 0;
#P inlet 63 33 15 0;
#P inlet 46 33 15 0;
#P inlet 29 33 15 0;
#P comment 101 170 128 196617 low pass filters whose freq response looks
something like this:;
#P comment 237 214 28 196617 0 Hz;
#P comment 459 215 35 196617 22kHz;
#P comment 339 215 35 196617 11kHz;
#P comment 143 36 178 196617 this filtering can be eliminated if you want
to conserve on CPU usage;
#P connect 5 0 9 0;
#P connect 9 0 11 0;
#P connect 6 0 10 0;
#P connect 10 0 12 0;
#P connect 7 0 16 0;
#P connect 16 0 18 0;
#P connect 8 0 17 0;
#P connect 17 0 19 0;
#P hidden connect 15 0 13 0;
#P hidden connect 14 0 15 0;
#P pop;
#P newobj 16 151 79 196617 p filtering;
#N vpatcher 308 63 842 581;
#P newex 272 228 27 196617 +~;
#P newex 242 228 27 196617 -~;
#P newex 242 201 185 196617 comb~ 31.638783 31.638783 0 0.93 0;
#P newex 272 171 27 196617 +~;
#P newex 242 171 27 196617 -~;
#P newex 242 144 185 196617 comb~ 48.167542 48.167542 0 0.76 0;
#P newex 272 110 27 196617 +~;
#P newex 242 110 27 196617 -~;
#P newex 242 83 185 196617 comb~ 68.497551 68.497551 0 0.74 0;
#P newex 242 401 185 196617 comb~ 23.597775 23.597775 0 0.98 0;
#P outlet 272 428 15 0;
#P outlet 242 428 15 0;
#P inlet 77 25 15 0;
#P newex 60 228 27 196617 +~;
#P newex 29 228 27 196617 -~;
#P newex 29 201 185 196617 comb~ 34.771645 34.771645 0 0.87 0;
#P newex 60 171 27 196617 +~;
#P newex 29 171 27 196617 -~;
#P newex 29 144 175 196617 comb~ 41.89465 41.89465 0 0.83 0;
#P newex 60 110 27 196617 +~;
#P newex 29 110 27 196617 -~;
#P newex 29 83 185 196617 comb~ 72.877129 72.877129 0 0.69 0;
#P newex 29 401 185 196617 comb~ 21.524687 21.524687 0 0.99 0;
#P outlet 60 428 15 0;
#P outlet 29 428 15 0;
#P inlet 29 25 15 0;
#P comment 117 322 203 196617 <--add more reflections here if desired -->;
#P comment 242 44 160 196617 this right column of delays may be eliminated
for a cheaper reverb;
#P connect 2 0 6 0;
#P connect 6 0 7 0;
#P connect 7 0 9 0;
#P connect 9 0 10 0;
#P connect 10 0 12 0;
#P connect 12 0 13 0;
#P connect 13 0 5 0;
#P connect 5 0 3 0;
#P connect 15 0 7 1;
#P connect 8 0 10 1;
#P connect 11 0 13 1;
#P connect 6 0 8 0;
#P connect 9 0 11 0;
#P connect 12 0 14 0;
#P connect 14 0 4 0;
#P connect 15 0 8 1;
#P connect 8 0 11 1;
#P connect 11 0 14 1;
#P connect 2 0 19 0;
#P connect 19 0 20 0;
#P connect 20 0 22 0;
#P connect 22 0 23 0;
#P connect 23 0 25 0;
#P connect 25 0 26 0;
#P connect 26 0 18 0;
#P connect 18 0 16 0;
#P connect 15 0 20 1;
#P connect 21 0 23 1;
#P connect 24 0 26 1;
#P connect 19 0 21 0;
#P connect 22 0 24 0;
#P connect 25 0 27 0;
#P connect 27 0 17 0;
#P connect 15 0 21 1;
#P connect 21 0 24 1;
#P connect 24 0 27 1;
#P pop;
#P newobj 16 111 80 196617 p longer_echoes;
#N vpatcher 210 52 541 599;
#P newex 23 430 160 196617 comb~ 9.649981 9.649981 0 1 0;
#P newex 52 239 27 196617 +~;
#P newex 23 239 27 196617 -~;
#P newex 23 212 185 196617 comb~ 11.375587 11.375587 0 0.86 0;
#P newex 52 175 27 196617 +~;
#P newex 23 175 27 196617 -~;
#P newex 23 148 185 196617 comb~ 14.788641 14.788641 0 0.93 0;
#P newex 52 110 27 196617 +~;
#P newex 23 110 27 196617 -~;
#P newex 23 83 185 196617 comb~ 17.675589 17.675589 0 0.78 0;
#P outlet 52 461 15 0;
#P outlet 23 461 15 0;
#P inlet 23 25 15 0;
#P comment 119 322 100 196617 <-- add more early reflections here if
desired;
#P connect 1 0 4 0;
#P connect 4 0 5 0;
#P connect 5 0 7 0;
#P connect 7 0 8 0;
#P connect 8 0 10 0;
#P connect 10 0 11 0;
#P connect 11 0 13 0;
#P connect 13 0 2 0;
#P connect 1 0 5 1;
#P connect 6 0 8 1;
#P connect 9 0 11 1;
#P connect 4 0 6 0;
#P connect 7 0 9 0;
#P connect 10 0 12 0;
#P connect 12 0 3 0;
#P connect 1 0 6 1;
#P connect 6 0 9 1;
#P connect 9 0 12 1;
#P pop;
#P newobj 16 60 80 196617 p first_echoes;
#P message 131 127 35 196617 \$1 20;
#N vpatcher 40 55 350 281;
#P newex 50 43 27 196617 t f f;
#P newex 50 118 27 196617 * 1.;
#P outlet 50 148 15 0;
#P newex 67 67 31 196617 > 0.5;
#P newex 50 95 190 196617 expr 0.000612 * (exp($f1*0.058269));
#P inlet 50 18 15 0;
#P connect 0 0 5 0;
#P connect 5 0 1 0;
#P connect 1 0 4 0;
#P connect 4 0 3 0;
#P connect 5 1 2 0;
#P connect 2 0 4 1;
#P pop;
#P newobj 131 100 101 196617 p exponential scaling;
#N comlet Reverb Time (0 - 127);
#P inlet 131 24 15 0;
#P message 241 127 35 196617 \$1 40;
#P newex 241 100 38 196617 / 255.;
#N comlet Output Level (0 - 127);
#P inlet 241 24 15 0;
#P newex 131 332 30 196617 line~;
#P newex 85 365 27 196617 *~;
#P newex 114 365 27 196617 *~;
#N comlet Reverb Out (Ch 2);
#P outlet 114 393 15 0;
#N comlet Reverb Out (Ch 1);
#P outlet 85 393 15 0;
#N comlet Input Signal;
#P inlet 16 24 15 0;
#P connect 0 0 12 0;
#P connect 12 0 13 0;
#P connect 13 0 14 0;
#P connect 13 1 14 1;
#P connect 13 2 14 2;
#P connect 13 3 14 3;
#P connect 14 0 16 0;
#P connect 12 0 16 0;
#P connect 16 0 4 0;
#P connect 4 0 1 0;
#P connect 12 1 13 1;
#P fasten 18 2 16 1 214 327 264 327 264 198 107 198;
#P connect 5 0 4 1;
#P connect 12 1 17 0;
#P connect 14 1 17 0;
#P connect 17 0 3 0;
#P connect 3 0 2 0;
#P connect 9 0 10 0;
#P connect 10 0 11 0;
#P fasten 18 3 17 1 246 335 289 335 289 190 136 190;
#P connect 11 0 5 0;
#P connect 5 0 3 1;
#P connect 14 2 19 0;
#P connect 16 0 15 0;
#P connect 15 0 18 0;
#P fasten 18 1 19 1 182 319 301 319 301 182 165 182;
#P connect 17 0 15 1;
#P connect 15 1 18 1;
#P connect 14 3 20 0;
#P fasten 18 0 20 1 150 311 276 311 276 174 194 174;
#P connect 19 0 15 2;
#P connect 15 2 18 2;
#P connect 20 0 15 3;
#P connect 15 3 18 3;
#P connect 6 0 7 0;
#P connect 7 0 8 0;
#P connect 8 0 18 4;
#P pop;

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Date:    Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:49:19 -0700
From:    David Zicarelli 
Subject: Re: cd problems?

sean paul zitello  writes:

>I'm not sure if this question has already been sufficiently answered,
>but I recall seeing it recently.  The 'cd' object seems to not play
>or rather to produce no audio.

The CD is a "sound input device" and, since MSP uses the
Sound Manager, it is playing into MSP instead of out to the
world. You can hear it by having an echoing patch that does adc~ to
dac~. Or you can use System 8.5, which turns "playthrough" on every
time you mess with the audio CD, much to my chagrin.

Or, with the new version of MSP, you can put this in a
message box and click on it:

; dsp driver playthrough 1

David Z.

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Date:    Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:43:46 -0700
From:    David Zicarelli 
Subject: Re: MSP authorization question

Matt Wright  writes:

>That doesn't help; even after MSP expires and you reauthorize it, it still
>remembers the serial number.

In my experience, this is most definitely not true. If you reauthorize
MSP with a different serial number, that's what you'll see displayed
when it starts up. And I know this from the fact that a bunch of
French users complained when we reauthorized them with different
serial numbers about a year ago. "What happened to my original
serial number?" each of them asked me.

It is true however, that unless you know the secret I'm about to
tell you, you can't enter a new serial number until MSP is
good and ready to get one:

The secret: hold down the control and caps lock keys while launching
Max (after you see the Max about box), and you should be prompted
to enter a new serial number. However, note that if you
don't enter one, I don't believe the old one is erased. That
is as it should be, since otherwise, an evil gremlin could
zap your MSP authorization behind your back.

David Z.

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Date:    Thu, 15 Apr 1999 03:13:06 -0400
From:    Eric Rosenzveig 
Subject: The Appearance Machine

Hope the plug that follows is excused: figured it might be interesting if
you are in the New York area to stop by and check it out as it runs on
Max...

The Appearance Machine - Willy Le Maitre & Eric Rosenzveig
an installation

Opening this Saturday, April 17, 6-8 pm @ The Kitchen gallery
512 West 19th Street, New York City,

April 17-May 8, 1999
4 to 8pm daily [Tue to Sat]
& by appointment

"A possible result of the medical/entertainment complex."

The Appearance Machine is a perpetual animation device. It manipulates,
translates, records and displays heaps of exhausted objects. These objects,
re-animated, are the set, characters and landscape. As the media is
physically enacted by the machine, it is simultaneously displayed through
video projection and speakers.Through live image analysis the detritus
performs its own accompanying soundtrack (David Rokeby's VNS). The object's
lives, extended by our imaginations as well as the machine, are made
meaningful by the ways in which they interact.

The drama is lent an appearance of articulated intention where there is
none. This is almost wholly by suggestion to the viewer and is achieved
through the close interactivity of the visual and auditory media.

Feedback loops between all aspects of the perpetually evolving piece are
the 'intelligence' of the machine; which progressively manipulates
appearances by affecting lighting, changing camera positions, controlling
video mixing and switching, varying motorized aspects of its constituent
parts as well as continuously reconfiguring and reconditioning the
materials that make up the work through vibration, air pressure and
physical contact.

More information on The Appearance machine on the WWW at:
http://www.interport.net/~er/flea/appear1.html

The Kitchen 1-212-255-5793 , http://www.thekitchen.org

Thanks, hope to see some of you there.

Eric Rosenzveig

PS David Bianciardi, the ever helpful Maxlist poster, did much of the
technical work and the control systems for the piece.

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Date:    Thu, 15 Apr 1999 08:52:01 +0100
From:    Trond Lossius 
Subject: Re: cd problems?

sean paul zitell wrote:

> I'm not sure if this question has already been sufficiently answered, but
I recall seeing it
> recently.   The 'cd' object seems to not play or rather to produce no
audio.  This is the
> case when I use the unlicenced MSP and may also be true with MSPPlay.
When I remove MSP from
> the equation, audio is present with 'cd'.

When loading Max with MSP installed, it defaults to set audio thru off. The
MSP update 6
included new dsp commands to turn audio through on or of (quoting from the
read me file):

>New message to the dsp object: when using the Sound Manager,
>"; dsp driver playthrough 1" turns on sound input playthrough, and
>"; dsp driver playthrough 0" turns it off. Usually you'll want it off, but
>messing with things like the Apple CD player while Max is running can
>turn it on against your wishes.

You might try this to see if it helps.

Trond L.

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Date:    Thu, 15 Apr 1999 18:17:49 +1100
From:    Jim Franklin 
Subject: Re: Laptop

Ben Nevile wrote:

>I'm looking to use Max (not MSP) in a dark live situation.  Reliability is,
of
>course, paramount.  I am looking into purchasing an older laptop to do the
>job,
>since I don't need MSP.  What models work best, and which should I avoid?

I'm _still_ using my trusty old PowerBook170 (1993? vintage, with OS 7.0!)
for live (MIDI) work with MAX3.0. It's never missed a beat (literally), and
never needed service except once, when the external power supply failed and
caused a fuse to blow on the motherboard. (The remedy involved $300 to
replace the motherboard for the sake of a $0.05 fuse.) This is a known,
common problem. The symptom is that the machine will work ok from the
wallwart, but not from battery (to watch out for if you buy one). Also
check that the plug of the wallwart is intact, no cracked, broken
insulation etc.

The beauty of the PB170 is that it has two ports, which can be used with
OMS (I'm also using a stone age version of this on the PB). MIDI in on the
printer port is unreliable, of course, although programmes like Cubase will
read MTC via the printer port without problems. The 2 ports can address 32
MIDI channels out without problems, though, and will run 2 non-powered MIDI
interfaces (eg Opcode MIDI Translator) without complaining.

As you can tell, I'm a PB170 enthusiast.

Cheers,

JimF

*****************************************

Dr Jim Franklin
Composer and Shakuhachi Master (shihan)
Course Coordinator, Music
Lecturer in Music Technology
University of Western Sydney, Nepean
Australia
Tel. --61 - 2 47 360 929
Fax. --61 - 2 47 360 166

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Date:    Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:59:32 +0000
From:    sinclair 
Subject: Re: laptop (#1999-115)

I have now used 5300,s 1400,s and G3. If you have a limited budget I
would definately recommend 1400, 5300's were a disaster although
admittedly I was running MSP in the patch, G3 is (obviously) faster but
does not seem more stable than the 1400, also the 1400 has a floppy
drive.

hope this helps

Peter Sinclair

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Date:    Thu, 15 Apr 1999 03:55:21 -0400
From:    jmw/cmu 
Subject: Laetitia Sonami

I just saw Ms. Sonami perform at Bard College in NY - usong MAX/MSP & her
"ladies glove".

Very impressive! Does anyone have an email address for her? I'm like to see
if she has any CD's.

Thanks,

Christine Uberti

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Date:    Thu, 15 Apr 1999 09:39:38 -0400
From:    Alexandre Baechler 
Subject: CD object

 Michael Lowenstern wrote 

A quickie: I updated my external with the new "cd" object from David Z,
but to no avail. I can't get my (ATAPI) internal CD-ROM drive to be seen
by Max. I've tried everything (or what I think is everything). Any
ideas?

Alex Writes:

I wrote a few weeks ago about having problems with my CD object.
It still does not see a Audio Cd in the internal drive and
Max gives me Error -21.
Rebooted with Cd in Drive as someone suggested.
Reloaded both CD-ROM and AppleCD/DVD extension.
NO GOOD!
I am running on an old g3.
ANy insights
Cheers

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Date:    Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:19:31 +0200
From:    Andreas Weixler 
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 13 Apr 1999 to 14 Apr 1999 (#1999-115)

>Date:    Wed, 14 Apr 1999 02:29:49 -0400
>From:    Jeff Mann 
>Subject: Re: MSP authorization question

Hi Jeff,

I really enjoyed Your MSP authorization question! It was fun to read and
indeed the problem is true !
I am very curious to the answer. There is another point to this: If You
sell Your Computer....

best wishes

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Andreas Weixler, composer
http://www.samt.ac.at/AndreasWeixler/
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Date:    Thu, 15 Apr 1999 23:17:53 +0200
From:    hollek 
Subject: msp asio ????

hi folks,
somebody out there working with MSP,MOTU 2048 and a Yosemite G3/350 =
???

for me there=B4s no way to start audio a second time

thanks for any help
grazie
danke

Matthias Schneider-Hollek
Heusteigstr. 44
70180 Stuttgart
ms@digital-masters.de
hollek@stuttgart.netsurf.de

phone xx-711-6070780
fax xx-711-6070783
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
http://www.digital-masters.de
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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