Subject: MAX Digest - 8 Apr 1999 to 9 Apr 1999 (#1999-110)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 00:00:07 -0400
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Topics of the day:

  1. ISPW samples (6)
  2. key disk problem

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Date:    Thu, 8 Apr 1999 21:46:14 -0700
From:    dudas 
Subject: Re: ISPW samples

Melvyn Poore  writes:

>I don't seem to be able to read the samples I made on the NeXT (used them
on
>the ISPW) with MAX on the Mac.  I don't have conversion software on the
Mac,
>but I used Cool Edit on the PC to convert from NeXT/Sun .snd format to
Apple
>.aiff format.  Max does not recognise the resulting files.
>
>Does anyone have any suggestions?  Of course, I need to use the samples
real
>soon now...

There are a few tricks to doing this properly, or else you get wierd
results.
First, you have to make sure that the sound files are copied correctly.  If
you are using Fetch on the Macintosh, you have to make sure to transfer the
file manually ("Get File...") as RAW BINARY DATA. If the file gets
erroneously transferred as text (which, for some strange reason, NeXT .snd
files seem to do, if I'm remembering correctly), many of the sample values
get messed up, causing clicks and other nasty damage to the sound.

If you are really paranoid, you might even go as far as archiving the files
to disk with tar, and/or using compress or gzip, while they are still in
Unix land.  Stuffit expander on the Macintosh should be able to correctly
decompress and unstuff .tar, .Z and .gz files.

Once the NeXT .snd file is on your Mac, you can use Tom Erbe's SoundHack to
convert it successfully to .aiff.  SoundHack is STRONGLY recommended audio
software for the Mac for both file format conversion and cool audio
processing. SoundHack is shareware/musicware, and can be obtained at:

http://shoko.calarts.edu/~tre/CompMusMac/

So, basically, I would advocate eliminating the PC step, no matter how cool
your CoolEdit program may be.  There's just too much room for error if you
have to transfer the .snd files from platform to platform.

-R

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Date:    Fri, 9 Apr 1999 02:18:19 -0400
From:    Ken Gregory 
Subject: Re: ISPW samples

Try opening those .aiff files with Sound Edit 16 or Sound Designer and use
the Save As function to resave them as aiff files.

Try putting the aiff files into the same folder that the Max patch that
uses them is stored.

Make sure there are no spaces in the aiff file name.

Hope this helps.

ken

>Hi folks,
>
>I don't seem to be able to read the samples I made on the NeXT (used them
on
>the ISPW) with MAX on the Mac.  I don't have conversion software on the
Mac,
>but I used Cool Edit on the PC to convert from NeXT/Sun .snd format to
Apple
>.aiff format.  Max does not recognise the resulting files.
>
>Does anyone have any suggestions?  Of course, I need to use the samples
real
>soon now...

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Date:    Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:02:06 +0100
From:    atlas 
Subject: key disk problem

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Dear people,
I am a legal user from 2.0 max, I buyed this and upgrade to 2.2 ! (there
years ago)
I had upgrated to 3.0 and later to 3.5 , I am a legal user !
I had upgrade the 7500 to a xlr8 to g3 300 mz.
I had upgrated the mac to 8.5.1
In the 8.0 or 8.1 (I don=B4t remember) Max switch off the authoritation in
th=
e
disk !
I had goten a pirate max 3.5 via internet (YES PIRATE AND RUN VERY WELL)
I am legal user but all legal user know the problems with the key disk.
I had buyed the msp additional pack.
Zicarelly run well ! msp no problem.
In the normal procedure (this is the installation that opcode tell to all u=
s
)
... well, all us know the problem with the authoritation key disk!
I had email to opcode, I know that opcode has a email copy from me ( I send
a letter 2 weeks ago)
I spend time to wait a solution from opcode, none !

While opcode eat money with some disk, I am searching a pirate version to
run without my original disk inserted in the machine !

TO ALL: the pace system can be authorizated via keyclick with similar form
msp !
I don=B4t know the opcode reason to negate it !

thanks
DISCULP MY ENGLISH
Guillermo Lorenzo
Legal user
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key disk problem


Dear people,
I am a legal user from 2.0 max, I buyed this and upgrade to 2.2 ! (there years ago)
I had upgrated to 3.0 and later to 3.5 , I am a legal user !
I had upgrade the 7500 to a xlr8 to g3 300 mz.
I had upgrated the mac to 8.5.1
In the 8.0 or 8.1 (I don=B4t remember) Max switch off the authoritation in th= e
disk !
I had goten a pirate max 3.5 via internet (YES PIRATE AND RUN VERY WELL) I am legal user but all legal user know the problems with the key disk.
I had buyed the msp additional pack.
Zicarelly run well ! msp no problem.
In the normal procedure (this is the installation that opcode tell to all u= s
)
... well, all us know the problem with the authoritation key disk!
I had email to opcode, I know that opcode has a email copy from me ( I send=
a letter 2 weeks ago)
I spend time to wait a solution from opcode, none !

While opcode eat money with some disk, I am searching a pirate version to run without my original disk inserted in the machine !

TO ALL: the pace system can be authorizated via keyclick with similar form<= BR> msp !
I don=B4t know the opcode reason to negate it !

thanks
DISCULP MY ENGLISH
Guillermo Lorenzo
Legal user
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--MS_Mac_OE_3006496926_184099_MIME_Part-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 02:16:46 -0700 From: Charles Baker Subject: Re: ISPW samples Try opening them in SoundHack or some other Mac sound editor and saving them... I'm not sure what is the exact type of IFF file the cool edit wrote, but this can translate them to a Max usable AIFF. (I've had this problem before with imported Aiff files.) Melvyn Poore wrote: > > > I don't seem to be able to read the samples I made on the NeXT (used them on > the ISPW) with MAX on the Mac. I don't have conversion software on the Mac, > but I used Cool Edit on the PC to convert from NeXT/Sun .snd format to Apple > .aiff format. Max does not recognise the resulting files. > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 14:09:41 +0100 From: Todor Todoroff Subject: Re: ISPW samples >Hi folks, > >I don't seem to be able to read the samples I made on the NeXT (used them on >the ISPW) with MAX on the Mac. I don't have conversion software on the Mac, >but I used Cool Edit on the PC to convert from NeXT/Sun .snd format to Apple >.aiff format. Max does not recognise the resulting files. You could use SoundHack, a shareware from Tom Erbe to do the conversion on the Mac. As it won the software competition prize a few years ago, I guess it must still be availiable on the GMEB site: http://www.gmeb.fr ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 16:11:31 +0200 From: Peter Castine Subject: Re: ISPW samples On around 9-4-99 1:28, Melvyn Poore said something like: >I don't seem to be able to read the samples I made on the NeXT (used them on >the ISPW) with MAX on the Mac. I don't have conversion software on the Mac, >but I used Cool Edit on the PC to convert from NeXT/Sun .snd format to Apple >.aiff format. Max does not recognise the resulting files. > >Does anyone have any suggestions? Of course, I need to use the samples real >soon now... Melvyn (and anyone else interested), Just one more suggestion, perhaps obvious, perhaps not... When you say "Max does not recognise the resulting files" do you mean you don't see them in the standard Open Document dialog? If this is the case, it would indicate that Max wants to see files with the Finder Info File Type 'AIFF'. Normal Mac users aren't supposed to have to worry about Finder Info File Types, because programmers are supposed to make sure that this stuff is always set up correctly. This worked fine in the days before everybody used FTP to move files x-platform. If Internet Config on your Mac is set up to recognize AIFF files, this should all be working automagically. (And note that Internet Config has been superceded in OS 8.5 with the Internet Control Panel, which is setup _ex factory_ to handle AIFF files). If you're using older software, this may not be getting done for you. You can check the Finder Info with utilities like ResEdit, ctc, FileTyper, Snitch, etc... The point about making sure that the FTP is done in binary mode is also crucial. Finally, I think you ought to be able to find shareware/freeware out for the Mac that will convert your .snd files to AIFF. Cutting the PC out of the soundfile transfer equation should, in the end, make your life easier. At the very least, it's one file transfer less. Hope this helps, Peter ----------------- http://www.prz.tu-berlin.de/~pcastine/ ----------------- Dr. Peter Castine | I am very pleased to announce that the 4-15 Music & Technology | 26th International Computer Music Conference | will take place in Berlin in the year 2000. | We look forward to seeing you here! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 11:33:05 +0100 From: Hans Tutschku Subject: Re: ISPW samples >Hi folks, > >I don't seem to be able to read the samples I made on the NeXT (used them on >the ISPW) with MAX on the Mac. I don't have conversion software on the Mac, >but I used Cool Edit on the PC to convert from NeXT/Sun .snd format to Apple >.aiff format. Max does not recognise the resulting files. > >Does anyone have any suggestions? Of course, I need to use the samples real >soon now... > >Melvyn Poore > You can use SoundHack by Tom Erbe for it. This is what the help-file says: The current shareware version of SoundHack (SoundHack, SoundHackNF and documentation) is available through anonymous ftp to music.calarts.edu (internet address: 156.3.140.104) in directory /pub/SoundHack. For WWW people the URL is ftp://music.calarts.edu/pub/SoundHack/. The current version of this documentation is located at http://shoko.calarts.edu/~tre/SndHckDoc/ There is a SoundHack mailing list. To join, send email to listproc@music.calarts.edu and include the text "subscribe SOUNDHACK Your Full Name" in the message body. Hope this helps, Hans --------------------------- Hans Tutschku http://www.multimania.com/hanstutschku ------------------------------ End of MAX Digest - 8 Apr 1999 to 9 Apr 1999 (#1999-110) ********************************************************