Subject: MAX Digest - 5 Apr 1999 to 6 Apr 1999 (#1999-107)
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There are 12 messages totalling 377 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Conflicts
  2. Bomb and MSP.3
  3. Bomb.4
  4. Bomb and MSP
  5. Bomb and MSP.5
  6. QKsend anomolies (2)
  7. CD object
  8. Oscillator Sync (2)
  9. OSC and Send/Receive
 10. good ol' Max bug

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Date:    Tue, 6 Apr 1999 01:25:54 EDT
From:    JohnBrit@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Conflicts

I have just spent several hours (you know how it goes) trying to isolate a
problem. My collective worked perfectly but my app crashed every time I
launched it. What I had done was named a patcher incdec which of course
(seems bloody obvious now) is an object in MAX's startup set. Although I'm
aware of what lives in my Externals folder I don't often look at the Startup
folder. Please could Mister Z have MAX flag an error if you attempt to name
a
patcher somthing which is already in use. I thank you.
JW.

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Date:    Mon, 5 Apr 1999 22:30:56 -0800
From:    jhno 
Subject: Re: Bomb and MSP.3

>It would also be cool if
>there was a version of Bomb that would take serial commands so I could run
>it one a different machine and therefore devote the entire CPU to
>generating the images - this would be particuarly good if I was running MSP
>and doing lots of sound generation in Max.

well, just run bomb inside of max on one machine, controlling it by midi
(or the serial object). you can interpret e.g. midi input in any way you
like and generate messages to the bomb object.

>it would also be useful if the mouse input could be used in MAX, so that I
>could set up X/Y co-ordinates to trigger certain MSP functions - again this
>would need to be possible when Bomb was filling the screen and was the
>front window.

just use the mousestate object, driven by a metro. it will continue to run
and generate mouse position information, even if bomb is the front window.
then you can take that mouse info and turn it into any bomb message you
want.

bomb rules -
jhno

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Date:    Tue, 6 Apr 1999 16:15:23 +1000
From:    Garth Paine 
Subject: Re: Bomb.4

jhno wrote,

>well, just run bomb inside of max on one machine, controlling it by midi
>(or the serial object). you can interpret e.g. midi input in any way you
>like and generate messages to the bomb object.

Sure - I just thought it may be more efficient to run the normal Mac
version of Bomb , but of course it doesn't have serial port command input.

>just use the mousestate object, driven by a metro. it will continue to run
>and generate mouse position information, even if bomb is the front window.
>then you can take that mouse info and turn it into any bomb message you
>want.

Yes, but when you depress the mouse when Bomb is the front window, it
causes activity in Bomb.  I would like it not to do that so that the audio
output of MSp is the primary control input for Bomb - and of course the
commands I was speaking about earlier - serial, MIDi etc.

Cheers,

Garth

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Date:    Tue, 6 Apr 1999 02:51:05 EDT
From:    Scott Draves 
Subject: Bomb and MSP

> It would also be cool if there was a version of Bomb that would take
> serial commands so I could run it one a different machine and
> therefore devote the entire CPU to generating the images - this
> would be particuarly good if I was running MSP and doing lots of
> sound generation in Max.

yes, multiple CPUs would be really good.  i think the easy way to do
that is to use Max as the serial glue: run max&msp on one machine,
which sends serial commands to max&bomb on the other.  max would be
the glue from the serial port to the bomb object.

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Date:    Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:13:46 +1000
From:    Garth Paine 
Subject: Re: Bomb and MSP.5

Hi Scott,

>yes, multiple CPUs would be really good.  i think the easy way to do
>that is to use Max as the serial glue: run max&msp on one machine,
>which sends serial commands to max&bomb on the other.  max would be
>the glue from the serial port to the bomb object.

Yep that's certainly possible - I still haven't got the same colour palette
running in the MAX Bomb object.  I copied the data files into the same
directory that my patch is in, but I still only get colour on the Fire
palette.

Cheers,

Garth

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Date:    Tue, 6 Apr 1999 08:01:38 +1000
From:    somebody 
Subject: QKsend anomolies

hello all

Late 97 I was having a little play with Peter Castines QuicKeys objects.
I was using QKsend to control the stop motion window in Premiere. At the
time it was rather frustrating as I really wanted some kind of recording
within MAX itself.  It was, however, a workaround I could use in the
meantime.
I have recently needed to use the workaround again. I downloaded a 30
day trial of QuicKeys from CE assuming it would be a straoght forword
recreation of my last setup. No such luck.
First of all I was getting some weird apple event errors in MAX (-609).
These went away and I thought I had it going but no. Upon restart
everything works fine for about 10 repetitions then nothing, sometimes
the QuicKeys Toolbox crashes with a variety of error codes other times
not ?
I tried getting the older version of QuicKeys without success.
Any Ideas/Solutions/thoughts on the matter would be greatly appreciated.

thanks and regards

daniel crooks

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Date:    Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:01:34 -0400
From:    Alexandre Baechler 
Subject: CD object

Hello dear max lovers

CD OBJECT help says:
" In order for cd to work, you must have a CD-ROM drive connected, have
the Apple CD ROM driver installed, and an audio CD in the drive."

I am running 8.5.1
8.1x is shipped with Apple CD/DVD Driver
I downloaded Apple CD-ROM 5.0.4
Installed it but max gave me an Error - 21

Does the object not work for 8.5.1
any other available objects for controling cd players?

Thank you

PS Does anyone know where i can download
Panaiotis' matrix object. Did not find it on ICRAM site.

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Date:    Tue, 6 Apr 1999 08:38:08 -0700
From:    Jaime Heilpern 
Subject: Oscillator Sync

I'm wondering if anyone can explain Oscillator Sync.  Is it frequency,
time, or volume/gain based?  The only thing I could find is an analog
diagram of a mod for the PAIA FatMan.  Since I grew up in a digital world,
I'm having a hard time understanding it.  thanks -jaime

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Date:    Tue, 6 Apr 1999 12:05:11 -0400
From:    Ed Hartley 
Subject: Re: Oscillator Sync

Here's a quote from my Nord Modular manual. It explains it pretty well.

"[The Sync] input is used for synchronizing the oscillator to a control
source, which could be another
oscillator or a LFO. Synchronization forces the oscillator to restart its
waveform cycle, in sync with the
waveform cycle of the controlling device. The oscillator will restart
whenever a signal present at the sync
input increases from 0 to anything above 0.
The pitch of the controlling oscillator will interact with the controlled
oscillator pitch. For a traditional
synthesizer sync-sound, start with the two oscillators to the same pitch and
connect only to the sync-controlled
oscillator to an output. Turning the tuning knob or modulating the pitch on
the sync-controlled
oscillator will produce radical changes in the timbre."

Does that help?

Ed Hartley

Jaime Heilpern wrote:

> I'm wondering if anyone can explain Oscillator Sync.  Is it frequency,
> time, or volume/gain based?  The only thing I could find is an analog
> diagram of a mod for the PAIA FatMan.  Since I grew up in a digital world,
> I'm having a hard time understanding it.  thanks -jaime

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Date:    Tue, 6 Apr 1999 09:26:24 -0700
From:    "Keith A.McMillen" 
Subject: OSC and Send/Receive

Hi all,

Have been using CNMATs OSC (OpenSoundControl) to communicate between 2
Macs. One is doing all the MIDI processing and control and the second is a
Blue G3 doing nothing but MSP. Getting a lot more bang out of the second
machine without it having to do any serial port or MIDI work.

OSC is really great. Well documented and relatively easy to use. I am
having to rewrite a lot of my internal comm schemes to work with OSC
messaging. I thought I remember hearing of a variation of send and receive
that would work accross ethernet. Am I halucinating? If so why do I still
have to drive every where instead of just closing my eyes and appearing?

KMc

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Date:    Tue, 6 Apr 1999 23:28:58 +0200
From:    Peter Castine 
Subject: Re: QKsend anomolies

somebody@dlab.com.au? Is this address gonna bounce or what? CC: to the
list to make sure that Daniel at least gets a reply here...

Anyway... On around 6-4-99 0:01, somebody [that's the mail address,
that's not me being silly] said something like [that's me being silly]:

>Late 97 I was having a little play with Peter Castines QuicKeys objects.
>I was using QKsend to control the stop motion window in Premiere.

Sorry to hear about difficulties with QKSend. Alas, I don't have
Premiere, so I can't test the combination of programs.

-609 is "Process Manager: connection invalid".

I'm wondering if CE has changed anything about their communication with
AppleEvents in the version you're using? What version of QuicKeys are you
using, BTW?

Hope we can get this sorted out.

Cheers,

Peter

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Date:    Tue, 6 Apr 1999 20:15:17 -0500
From:    Jeff Mann 
Subject: Re: good ol' Max bug

David Zicarelli  wrote:
> As you may know, the search path can contain aliases, allowing
> you to have objects and patcher files in other folders
> besides your Max folder. In version 3.5.9-8, you can even

This reminds me that I've always wished Max was consistent in how it
searches the externals, help, and startup folders:

startup - will find aliases to files, but won't search into sub-folder
aliases.

help - the opposite - will search folder aliases, but won't read file
aliases.

externals - will find aliases and search sub-folder aliases.

I'd like to keep a folder with untouched distributions of stuff from the
IRCAM site, etc., and just make aliases of what I need into three
folders, eg. "local-externals", "local-help", and "local-startup", and
then put an alias of each of these three into the Max folders. That way,
I can easily see what extras I've added in, in case I need to work on a
different computer, and more easily upgrade third-party objects. And if
I change versions or reinstall Max, I can just make three folder aliases
and everything is set up the way I want. I know I can set the file
search options but it doesn't really do what I want.


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