Subject: MAX Digest - 19 Mar 1999 to 20 Mar 1999 (#1999-89)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 00:00:05 -0500
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There are 11 messages totalling 319 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. IS THAT IT, MAX 3.5? (2)
  2. PACE floppy enabler
  3. Creating help files
  4. MAX and OS evolution
  5. CD Controller
  6. ANN: New PIC and Basic Stamp MIDI Page
  7. Silly objects (Was: The new Search Utility...)
  8. PACE
  9. List Newbie questions
 10. Jim Wood HarmonaTon


Date:    Fri, 19 Mar 1999 22:37:36 -0700
From:    Adam Schabtach 
Subject: Re: IS THAT IT, MAX 3.5?

> There are 7 messages totalling 431 lines in this issue.

> Sooo, I was just wondering if MAX has MAXed out and there is simply
> nothing new coming.

So tell us, have you MAXed out MAX from an end-user's perspective? Exhausted
all the possibilities offered by all of the objects? Beaten every external
into the ground? Built everything that could possibly be built with MAX as
it stands as of version 3.5.9?

Just wondering.  :-)



Date:    Sat, 20 Mar 1999 00:49:16 -0500
From:    "David Z. Saltz" 
Subject: PACE floppy enabler

Has anyone tested PACE's new USB floppy driver
(, which reputedly makes their copy
protection software compatible with USB floppy drives? (Please forgive
me if this has already been discussed on the list; if so, I missed it.)


Date:    Sat, 20 Mar 1999 01:05:08 -0000
From:    Kurt Ralske 
Subject: Creating help files

would like to create a help file for a new external object.
how to do it, or where to find info?



Date:    Sat, 20 Mar 1999 01:11:15 -0500
From:    Johnny DeKam 
Subject: MAX and OS evolution

MAX isn't MAXED out, its being ported to other platforms...

(BeOS and Windows) -- MSP continues to be heavily developed, MAX's progress
itself has slowed while these other things happen, and IMHO I bet David's
waiting for OS X to make a major MAX upgrade, because the whole game is
going to change anyway.

Johnny DeKam  <--- new interface uploaded tonight

> Please note that I am not trying to be confrontational in my response.
> I just really don't understand the programers coding system for
> Sooo, I was just wondering if MAX has MAXed out and there is simply nothing > new coming ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 01:50:26 -0000 From: Kurt Ralske Subject: Re: CD Controller >Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 08:05:32 -0700 >From: Jeff Rona >Subject: CD Controller > > I had asked anyone if they had a patch that took good control of the cd >object. I got one really cool one that allowed the mouse to control the play >position of the cd. that one would be mine. it's called "atemporal" and it'll be on chris murtagh's maxpatch cd. kurt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 19:09:04 +1030 From: Ross Bencina Subject: ANN: New PIC and Basic Stamp MIDI Page Hi there, I have just created the "DIY MIDI Controllers with PIC chips and Basic Stamps" aggregation page, you can access it at: Since I don't have much experience with the Basic Stamp I'd appreciate some feedback. Suggestions, comments and URLs for MIDI PIC and Stamp sites that I've missed would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Ross Bencina ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 10:49:07 -0500 From: Ed Hartley Subject: Silly objects (Was: The new Search Utility...) >>tinkywinky - alternate patching (need we say more?) > >lucasfoss - mutates all patch chord timing to left-to-right. glassify - doesn't seem to do much, but data takes a long time to pass through cager - You're not quite sure what it does, but every time you open the patch, this object draws a new patchcord between itself another randomly selected object. zen - pops up a window "what is MIDI?" politico - Diverts CPU cycles away from whatever you're trying to do. Ed Hartley ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 08:05:01 -0800 From: Christopher Dobrian Subject: PACE The following is copied from Sweetwater Sound's email newsletter. I have no idea whether the news contained therein will prove to be useful to Max owners. --Chris >Pace, the company that writes many of the copy protection schemes used in >recent years by software developers, has released a USB floppy enabler that >will make it possible to authorize a hard disk with a USB floppy drive. The >update can be downloaded from their Web site and used to make your USB >floppy drive work for authorizing Pace protected software. > >--==-- >USB Enabler - ---------- Christopher Dobrian / Department of Music / University of California, Irvine Phone: (949) 824-7288 / Fax: (949) 824-4914 / ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 12:46:18 -0500 From: Stonewall Ballard Subject: List Newbie questions I just found this list, and have a few questions: 1) Is there an archive of past postings? 2) Is there an archive of contributed Max patches? 3) Is there any sort of "tape exchange"? I'm interested in hearing what other people do with Max. TIA, - Stoney --------------------------------------------------------------- Stonewall Ballard CTO, ISFX ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 22:32:24 +0100 From: Peter Castine Subject: Re: IS THAT IT, MAX 3.5? On around 20-3-99 5:29, Walter Sheluk said something like: >I always thought that when a program numbered such as is now at MAX >3.5.9 that the programmers have only fixed something badly written in >the first place. For example, MacOS 8.0 updated to 8.1, or MacOS 8.5 >updated to 8.5.1. Then someday when Apple is short cash they will bring >out MacOS X. > >Please note that I am not trying to be confrontational in my response. I >just really don't understand the programers coding system for numbering. > >Sooo, I was just wondering if MAX has MAXed out and there is simply >nothing new coming. There are _almost_ as many version numbering systems as there are programmers. In principle, you have to ask the developer (or developer team, or project lead) what is meant by any giving numbering. Apple published a set of conventions many, many years ago in their original Mac DTS Tech Note series. Most Mac developers stick to it (more or less). It is far too long to quote in its entirety. Basically: three numbers separated by decimal points; first number is a new release (new features, new commands, possibly new organization of old commands/menus/dialogs, possibly new file format, etc.); second number indicates a major revision (some additional features & modifications); third number indicates minor revision (generally bug fixes). Trailing zeros are omitted (but you noticed that already, right?). The number may be suffixed by a letter to indicate pre-release version (development, alpha, beta), in other words: work-in-progress, not ready for public release. There is no reason to expect version numbers to go in consecutive order (why should there be?). There is no reason to expect new releases to come out in any particular time interval, either (why should there be?). A bigger the jump in version number from release to release, revision to revision, will generally indicate a bigger set of new fixes, etc. Sometimes this is done for marketing reasons, sometimes because there really are a whole lot more features, sometimes because planned intervening releases were skipped/reworked/whatever and the developers and/or marketing felt it appropriate to skip a number. But, why should Max be Maxed out at any particular number? Frankly, I can't understand how or why anyone should assume as much. Programs never max out, unless the developer goes bankrupt or is bought out by Symantec. And product development is far, far, too long-term a project to follow the scenario sketched in the last sentence of the first paragraph cited above. A new release of Max will come whenever David Z. and Opcode feel it's ready. They may choose to give a lot of advance notice, or they may make the announcement the day the product is released. As a user, I'd like _lots_ of advanced notice, as a developer I understand reasons for keeping one's cards to oneself for a good long time. There have been numerous suggestions for improvements for Max, I expect we'll be seeing some of them incorporated into Max in due course. With David's MSP and related activities, I'm not expecting a complete new release every six months, but rumor's of Max' death are surely premature. Cheers, Peter ----------------- ----------------- Dr. Peter Castine | I am very pleased to announce that the 4-15 Music & Technology | 26th International Computer Music Conference | will take place in Berlin in the year 2000. | We look forward to seeing you here! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:27:43 -0500 From: Tommy DOG Subject: Jim Wood HarmonaTon Dear Uncle Max, As you know I am not one to cast praise whorishly or beg for source material but this piece has brought up a number of answers to issues I have been trying to solve with my own random music generator projects. For anyone who has not played with this, I suggest taking a gander. Though it is not the flashiest interface it does create some wonderful results. If the author is on this list, I really would love to have the patches, loose and unfinalized to play around with. I have some ideas of combining this basic structure with my random music generators and possibly replacing mouse control with MIDI control via the D-Beam (as the kids are now calling it). Please contact me if you are willing to let me experiement. Short of that, I hope everyone else is well and is heading to download HarmonaTon based on the solid reputation I have built over the years. TD "Once all my hate mail is answered I have a cocktail, what do you do?" Tommy DOG The Brain People, "man of the cloth" and salesman THIS WEB SITE HAS FINALLY BEEN UPGRADED. PLEASE VISIT AND ENJOY THE VIEW. ------------------------------ End of MAX Digest - 19 Mar 1999 to 20 Mar 1999 (#1999-89) *********************************************************