Subject: MAX Digest - 16 Mar 1999 to 17 Mar 1999 (#1999-85)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 00:00:10 -0500
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There are 9 messages totalling 341 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. nightmare in OMStreet
  2. Error messages and help
  3. Key disk and partitions and stuff
  4. The new Search Utility at The Max Digest Archive
  5. Scheduler in Audio Interrupt
  6. hslider and uslider objects
  7. CD
  8. Lots of questions. Any answers? (2)

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Date:    Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:23:06 +0000
From:    Trond Lossius 
Subject: Re: nightmare in OMStreet

>Dear Uncle Max,
>I have made the leap to OS 8.5. All has been fine, much to my shock. This
>is the nipple twister: when I click on the "noteout" to choose a MIDI mod I
>get a type 10 and crash.

I experienced the same problem a while back, also after upgrading (to OS
8.1) and
as part of the upgrade/springclining having installed OMS and Max anew.

The problem didn't have anything to do with the OS, but rather with the MIDI
setup, OMS and Max:

I have a Yamaha MU90R with a built in Marc Of The Unicorn Time-Piece MIDI
interface. The MU90 has 32 MIDI channels, and in addition allows you to
connect
e.g. a controller. My MIDI setup looks something like this (excuse the
ASCII):

MIDI Time Piece
|
|
|<----->MU90-A (ch 1-16)
|       |
|       |
|       |
|       |<-----MIDI controller
|
|
|------>MU90-B (ch 17-32)

There is something ambiguous about this setup: In OMS applications both MIDI
Time
Piece and MU90-A shows up as "receive MIDI from", while the controller
itself
never shows up. To receive MIDI from the controller, I have to select
"receive
MIDI from" either the MIDI Time Piece or MU90-A. How this has to be set
differs
between applications, and sometimes might even differ from time to time
launching
the same appl. (in particular Galaxy+ is unpredictable).

Max is stable: MU90-A has to be selected, and MIDI Time Piece should not be
selected in the MIDI setup Input devices.

If I attempt at any other MIDI setup, I'll experience the same problems as
you
report: Crashes when clicking (in my case the notein, ctrlin etc. objects).

You might want to see if there is something similar going on in your MIDI
setup.

Another thing you could do is to ensure that the "recieve channel" and "is
controller" is set correctly for all devices in the OMS Setup.

Cheers!

Trond L.

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Date:    Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:13:18 +0000
From:    Trond Lossius 
Subject: Re: Error messages and help

Mike Kish wrote:

> Does MSP have a Help menu and a list of objects like Max does?

A list of objects you will have to make yourself. How to do it is explained
in the
FAQ section of

http://node.net/MAX/

I made a MSP help file a few months ago. I've uploaded it to Un-max today so
that
it can be downloaded from:

http://node.net/MAX/ftpfiles/downloads/patches/Help-files.sit

There is also help files for some 3rd part externals: Peter Elseas Lobjects,
ChaosCollection, Kay-Roach Gates and McCartneyTools (all of whom can be
downloaded
from the Ircam ftp-site).

Cheers!

Trond L.

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Date:    Wed, 17 Mar 1999 05:09:46 -0800
From:    Bruce Alexander 
Subject: Re: Key disk and partitions and stuff

Oeivind Idsoe wrote...
>So, I have *finally* received my brand new key disk for Max 3.5.9
>(running under OS8.1), which means I have to authorize my harddisk
>again. Given the disastrous deauthor. for my first author., I thought I
>might check a few things before going down this dangerous mountain
>again.

>As a difference from my last authorization, I have now created a
>partition on one of my HDs, with one part. containing the system
>software and the other part. all the applications+documents.

>Should I expect problems (yes, I know, it is PACE, so problems should
>always be expected) if I install the authorization on the System
>partition while running Max from the Applications partition? If so, how
>and what should I do?
Yes!

You have to authorize the partition/volume on which Max resides, not the
one with the system software. I had a similar set up; two hard drives
with the smaller containing the system software and the larger one
divided into three partitions/volumes of which one was home and
authorized for Max. I had no trouble with that set up. (til I installed
System 8. Ouch, eh?).

I strongly suggest you keep the system software on a separate,
non-partitioned, drive if at all possible. If only to keep the number of
trouble-shooting variables down.

Bruce Alexander.

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Date:    Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:32:48 -0500
From:    "one Cointreau, on ice...." 
Subject: The new Search Utility at The Max Digest Archive

>From:    Jon Witte 
>Subject: The new Search Utility at The Max Digest Archive

>The Hyperbanner Search Utility at the archive now handles all pages in
>the archive.

And if you go in and type a random character string, you may go to
the "lucky Antiorp nostalgia posting of the day" and win valuable
free prizes! Take your choice of David Zicarelli's unreleased MAX/MSP
objects:

caffeine - a jitter amplifying object

nosy - an object that randomly polls the table and coll objects used in
other parts of your patch

convolutionbro - when fed two streams of input, it produces output that is
the
antiphonal equivalent to a Cort Lippe/Zack Settl joint conference paper
presentation

tinkywinky - alternate patching (need we say more?)

--
Knowledge is not enough|Science is not enough|Love is dreaming this equation
Gregory Taylor|host, RTQE|WORT-FM, Madison, WI|www.msn.fullfeed.com/~gtaylor

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Date:    Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:52:45 -0800
From:    Keith McMillen 
Subject: Scheduler in Audio Interrupt

Hi All,

I downloaded the newer ASIO driver and was able to achieve better
performance. (Thanks Alex) Strange to note though that I was only able to
achieve control synch of the Groove~ Deglitcher (a short mute lined up with
the the splice point of Groove~) with a Signal Vector Size of 256. (sample
rate at 44.1K) Also it did not matter if Scheduler in Audio Interrupt was
selected or not.

Keith

>>>Have you checked Scheduler in Audio Interrupt in the dsp menu? If it
isn't
>>>checked the max scheduler ("control rate") is not necessarily
synchronized
>>>to the audio clock.

>>"Keith A.McMillen" :
>>This option only available when using Sound Manager, not with external
card=
s.

>It is available on my system while using a 2408, perhaps it wasn't before
>and one of the recent updates to the MOTU driver,the MSP ASIO Audiodriver,
>MSP itself, or Max enabled it. I can hear the difference.

>-Alex Stahl

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Date:    Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:27:16 -0800
From:    Kim Cascone 
Subject: hslider and uslider objects

does anyone have an answer to the question I posted concerning the hslider
and uslider objects being different in v3.5.8 & v3.5.9?
any help is appreciated...
KIM

__________________________
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kim@anechoicmedia.com
http://www.anechoicmedia.com

Out Now:
                blueCube( ) -- (full length::Rastermusic)
                nb2e_Vortex.aiff -- (track on M&T4::Mille Plateaux)
                vortexShedding -- (track on microscopic sound::Caipirinha
Music)

"the medium is no longer the message, the tool has become the message"

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Date:    Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:22:55 -0700
From:    Jeff Rona 
Subject: CD

Does anyone know of a patcher that utilized the cd object well for looping,
stopping, time display, etc? I would appreciate any info.

Jeff

-------------------
  Be, Hear, Now
jrona@earthlink.net
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Date:    Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:29:43 PST
From:    "A. Scott Piccotti" 
Subject: Lots of questions. Any answers?

Hi all-


It's been a while since I've been on the list.
I've got some questions that have probably been answered somewhere
before.
If you feel like helping someone who's been out of the loop for too
long, you have my thanks in advance. If you're running low on patience
today, just keep on scrollin'.


Now that that's out of the way...

I've been running MAX 3.0 on a PPC 7600. I've recently installed MacOS
8.5, and discovered that I can't lock/unlock patches that I'm working
on, it just acts as though I had hit the 'window shade' button, and
colapses into its title bar. Is this a function of MAX 3.0 not running
well with OS 8.5? Will it fix itself if I upgrade to 3.5, or is there
something bizarre going on?

Second, I'm considering purchasing a PowerBook in the near future. How
does disk authorization work on a computer with no floppy drive??

And also... MAX is expensive. MSP is expensive. MAX copy protection
irritates everyone. Does anyone have any experience with some
alternatives? I've been looking at HMSL and Squeak/Smalltalk ($25 and
$0, respectively) and wondering how these stack up against more pricey
packages in terms of capabilities and such. I'm sure that learning Forth
is harder than learning MAX, but what the hey. And what about jMax on
Linux?

One more question (honest!), this one about hardware.
What sort of systems are you using to get real-world input into MAX?
Both the i-Cube and the STEIM SensorLab look awfully nifty, but (again)
expensive. Anyone using homegrown microprocessor-based soloutions? (e.g.
Basic Stamp or Motorolla HC11 type stuff?) Any recommendations?

Thanks for any input whatsoever!

        Scott
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Date:    Thu, 18 Mar 1999 01:46:25 +0100
From:    Sukandar Kartadinata 
Subject: Re: Lots of questions. Any answers?

>And also... MAX is expensive. MSP is expensive. MAX copy protection
>irritates everyone. Does anyone have any experience with some
>alternatives?

hmmm, kinda blasphemic on the MAX list ....
but maybe you wanna have a look at Key-Kit www.nosuch.com/keykit/
don't have much experience to share though
it's $0 & cross-platform
it's text-based but with GUI-constructs
             ...it's not MAX (which is why I didn't accumulate much
experience)

>One more question (honest!), this one about hardware.
>What sort of systems are you using to get real-world input into MAX?
>Both the i-Cube and the STEIM SensorLab look awfully nifty, but (again)
>expensive. Anyone using homegrown microprocessor-based soloutions? (e.g.
>Basic Stamp or Motorolla HC11 type stuff?) Any recommendations?

I'd recommend the Basic Stamp for its steep learning curve. It's great to
get simple things done quick. I also program the PICs (which the Basic
Stamp is based on) in assembler to achieve better performance and for the
smaller size. The (18-pin) 16F84 in particular is convenient because it has
EEPROM program memory, so it's easily updated even in-circuit.
In general which chip to choose depends on your requirements (naturally),
so if you tell me more about your application, I could provide more precise
information.

ship ahoi,
s

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Sukandar Kartadinata
Custom Music Technology
Hagenauerstr. 6, 10435 Berlin, 030-44051219
http://members.xoom.com/Sukandar/
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