Subject: MAX Digest - 15 Mar 1999 to 16 Mar 1999 (#1999-84)
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There are 8 messages totalling 258 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Max Object Pallete Problems (3)
  2. Error messages and help
  3. nightmare in OMStreet
  4. tempo for MIDI files
  5. cd, playthrough, and 8.5
  6. Memory object anyone?

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Date:    Mon, 16 Mar 1998 01:18:07 -0500
From:    Michael Gurevich 
Subject: Max Object Pallete Problems

Greetings.

I've run into a problem where each time I start up Max, most of the items
on the object pallete are whited out. If I run my mouse over the area,
their description still comes up and if I click on the whited out area, the
object appears and I can place it in my patcher. It appears as if their
existence is superficial as every time I go to use one of these objects my
machine crashes. This is bad.

I think that my externs and startup folders are in order; these objects
show as loading on startup. I don't really know where else to check.

Can anyone help?
(if anyone has a suggestion, I'd appreciate a reply to my personal e-mail,
so I don't have to wait for tomorrows digest)

thanks

Michael Gurevich
mgurev@po-box.mcgill.ca

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Date:    Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:31:13 +0000
From:    Ed Hartley 
Subject: Re: Max Object Pallete Problems

I don't know if this is what happened to you, but I was told there's some
bug
whereby if you let "Max Temp" files build up in your trash (these are
created
when you crash) then strange things like this can happen. Throw them out as
soon as possible. When this happened to me, I noticed that all the files in
my
Max:Startup folder had their modified dates updated. Did this happen to you?
I
restored those files from a backup and everything was OK. If you don't have
a
backup, you might have to reinstall.

Ed Hartley

Michael Gurevich wrote:

> Greetings.
>
> I've run into a problem where each time I start up Max, most of the items
> on the object pallete are whited out. If I run my mouse over the area,
> their description still comes up and if I click on the whited out area,
the
> object appears and I can place it in my patcher. It appears as if their
> existence is superficial as every time I go to use one of these objects my
> machine crashes. This is bad.
>
> I think that my externs and startup folders are in order; these objects
> show as loading on startup. I don't really know where else to check.
>
> Can anyone help?
> (if anyone has a suggestion, I'd appreciate a reply to my personal e-mail,
> so I don't have to wait for tomorrows digest)
>
> thanks
>
> Michael Gurevich
> mgurev@po-box.mcgill.ca

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Date:    Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:19:02 -0400
From:    Mike Kish 
Subject: Error messages and help

Hello,

I am a "newbie" so I apologize if my questions are pretty basic:

What is error -49?  I get this sometimes when I'm trying to play audio
files.

Does MSP have a Help menu and a list of objects like Max does?

Thanks,

                                Mike

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Date:    Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:59:23 +0100
From:    Roland Cahen & Ruth Sefton-Green 
Subject: nightmare in OMStreet

>Dear Uncle Max,
>I have made the leap to OS 8.5. All has been fine, much to my shock. This
>is the nipple twister: when I click on the "noteout" to choose a MIDI mod I
>get a type 10 and crash.

Have it too!

I couldn't get rid of it either, but it appeared with OS 8.1
only on my 7600 (at work).
neither at home on my 7200
nor in another working place on a G3
What a P.I.T.A.

Why with same installations, should max or some parts of it react so
differently.
It's sometimes realy a N.

Roland Cahen

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Date:    Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:10:34 -0800
From:    Dmitri Tymoczko 
Subject: tempo for MIDI files

I use MAX to generate MIDI files, and would like to be able to control the
file's tempo specification -- so that I can import the music correctly into
some other program like Finale or Pro Tools.  I seem to recall that all the
sequencer objects (including detonate) pick an arbitrary value for the
file's tempo.

Does anyone have any clever ideas about this?  And if so, do they have any
suggestions about changing tempi within a file?

Thanks,
DT

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Date:    Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:40:57 -0800
From:    David Zicarelli 
Subject: cd, playthrough, and 8.5

Apple has done a most infuriating thing in System 8.5 that
affects people who might want to play CDs through MSP.
Any play command to the CD player turns on "playthrough"
so that you hear both the original and processed sound (with
the process sound slightly delayed) at the same time.

I tried turning playthrough off immediately after the
play command finishes executing, but it doesn't work.
Indeed, there is some random amount of time after the
message to the cd object is received that you need to
wait until you can effectively turn playthrough off.
Even more infuriating is that in order to ensure that
you've turned it off, you need to set the delay to a
point where some sound will "leak" through first.

I am preparing a nice little vitriolic message to Apple
developer support about this "improvement" and asking for
a workaround. In the meantime, adding a delayed
"; dsp driver playthrough 0" after a play command to the
cd object is the only solution that seems to work.

David Z.

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Date:    Tue, 16 Mar 1999 21:20:12 +0100
From:    Roby Steinmetzer 
Subject: Re: Max Object Pallete Problems

>I don't know if this is what happened to you, but I was told there's some
bug
>whereby if you let "Max Temp" files build up in your trash (these are
created
>when you crash) then strange things like this can happen. Throw them out as
>soon as possible. When this happened to me, I noticed that all the files in
my
>Max:Startup folder had their modified dates updated. Did this happen to
you? I
>restored those files from a backup and everything was OK. If you don't have
a
>backup, you might have to reinstall.
>
>Ed Hartley
>
>Michael Gurevich wrote:
>
>> Greetings.
>>
>> I've run into a problem where each time I start up Max, most of the items
>> on the object pallete are whited out. If I run my mouse over the area,
>> their description still comes up and if I click on the whited out area,
the
>> object appears and I can place it in my patcher. It appears as if their
>> existence is superficial as every time I go to use one of these objects
my
>> machine crashes. This is bad.
>>
>> I think that my externs and startup folders are in order; these objects
>> show as loading on startup. I don't really know where else to check.
>>

I had the same problem with the icons in the objects palette.
Emptying the trash, deleting the prefs file, reinstalling the startup
externals, even
replacing the Max app itself didn't work.

Then I discovered that the Max Audio Library had a strange modification
date.
Replacing it resolved the problem.

Roby Steinmetzer
Luxembourg, Europe

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Date:    Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:39:42 EST
From:    Bob Ostertag 
Subject: Memory object anyone?

Hi David Z. and Max friends,

Here is a request for a new Max object:

Problem: when loading samples into RAM buffers, when you fill up the memory
it
simply stops opening new files and gives you a warning message saying that
memory is dangerously low and telling you to quite and restart.

If you want to use MSP in a performance context, particularly in
improvisation, this is not what you want.  You want to be warned ahead of
time, before you have reached this situation.

Currently, the only solution I can think of is to just watch the title bar
of
the Max window, and always compare in my head the value of what I am about
to
load in with what shows as remaining.  Since I am loading in lists of files,
however, this really is not viable.

Proposed solution: An object that, when banged, outputs the amount of free
memory available.

This way, you could first get the length of a file using sfinfo~, then
compare
the length of the file with the remaining memory, then only execute a
"replace" command for a buffer~ if sufficient memory was available.

T'would be delightful if anyone out there with the apprpriate skills made
such
a thing...

x,
Bob Ostertag

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