Subject: MAX Digest - 8 Mar 1999 to 9 Mar 1999 (#1999-77)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 00:00:04 -0500
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There are 6 messages totalling 299 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. animation
  2. ring modulation
  3. Quicktime 3.0 and Max
  4. Upcoming Music Technology events at McGill (fwd)
  5. Controller Jitter
  6. Sat., March 13


Date:    Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:46:21 +0100
From:    Jeffrey Burns 
Subject: animation

>We experimented with the quicktime objects for a while and they work -
>except for
>a couple of problems.  First, in the older quicktime scheme (2.5 and
>below) there
>was no way to support matting of different layers on top of one another.
>This has
>been added to QT 3.0 but I haven't experimented with it yet (and currently
>is no max object that supports qt matting or qt sprites yet).  Second
>there is no
>way to set the priority of the layers in the current quicktime objects,
>movies get draw on top when they get a request to draw.  This proves to be
>difficult to deal with in with multiple layers and complicated patches.
>It gets
>difficult to predict which image will be there when you want it to be.

I agree, it would be great to be able to access the layering capability of
QT 3.0 from Max.

>Our solution may not have been the best but it works and it's fast.  We
>took the
>original pics object and rewrote it to support millions of colors, matting,
>layers, scale, rotation, flips, flops, show/hide features, set position,
>window position, as well as all the old controls (frame number, priority,

Would you like to share this object with us?

>We do want to use a different file format instead of pics, because not a
>lot of
>programs support it; even DeBabalizer does not support pics.

A few years ago, I played around with pics and did, in fact, get
DeBabelizer to convert QT's to pics files, going through the whole movie
frame by frame automatically. DeBabelizer has a GUI which is almost
impenetrable and hardly consistent with the program's name. But it does do
nice things (like converting movies to any desired 8-bit color palette)
which no other program does. I noticed that pics has a rather nice kind of
compression (about 1:4) built into it. But, certainly, QT and not pics is
the way of the future.

>All this gets outputed to a Truvision Targa 2000 card.  I hate Truvision.
>I hate
>Truvision. I hate Truvision.  They have been unhelpful in every way every
>time we
>have called them.  They have written off the macintosh as a platform and
>release any development information for it.  This means that we can't
>optimize our
>draw routines to use the accelerator or memory on the video card.  We are
>desparately looking for another RGB supported mac video card.

I'm quite happy with the Miro DC30. But both the Miro and Targa cards play
from the own compression formats. So I don't understand how they can be
used for interactive stuff.
Jeff Burns


Date:    Tue, 9 Mar 1999 09:30:30 +0100
From:    Jeffrey Burns 
Subject: ring modulation

I built a patch with 8 virtual ring modulators in MSP, using microphones
and the G3 internal sound system, and have the problem that the carier
frequencies (generated in MSP) are strongly audible - even when I turn DSP
control to 'no input'. Can anyone help?

Jeff Burns


Date:    Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:17:23 +0100
From:    Martin =?iso-8859-1?Q?Carl=E9?= 
Subject: Quicktime 3.0 and Max

could anybody be so kind a tell me about useing MAX 3.5.9. on MacOS8.5
to drive Quicktime 3.0. ?
- Is it possible to access diffrent layers of quicktime ?
- Is controlling of quicktime-features realtime ?

Just a very brief but soon answer would help a lot.

thanx a lot


Date:    Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:37:40 -0500
From:    Christopher Murtagh 
Subject: Upcoming Music Technology events at McGill (fwd)


Upcoming events at McGill, presented by the Music Media and Technology

Faculty Recital Concert:  Zack Settel and others
        Featuring live-interactive electroacoustic music

Montreal Visit: Double bassist Robert Black for Master class,  Lecture,
and concert performance.

All the events above will take place at McGill University's Faculty of
Music, 555 rue Sherbrooke west.

About Robert Black:

Robert Black is known for his wild theatrical and movement-related music
performances as well as his innovative inclusion of current music
technology in performance.  He will be in Montreal from March 14-16.  Below
are the events planned around his visit:


Master class
Sun., Mar. 14, 1999
2 - 5 p.m.
Room C310
admission: free

This event features a demonstration of contemporary methods of instrumental
playing/music making and a presentation of double bass performance with
live signal processing, MIDI and computers.   Participants will have
hands-on playing experience with the electronics (defined in Max/MSP).

Mon., Mar. 15, 1999
10 - 11:30 a.m.
Room E106
admission: free

Double bass performance with live interactive electronics:
Approaches and Techniques
Black will illustrate his lecture with sound/text examples from
the literature, as well live interactive examples (including some from
Zack Settel's piece, Taudrium) using Max/MSP

Faculty Recital Concert:  Zack Settel and others  (even Cort Lippe)
Tuesday., Mar. 16, 1999
8 pm
Pollack Hall
admission: $5 (free for McGill students and faculty)


"Hok Pwah", for mezzo-soprano and live electronics, by Zack Settel. Juliana
Pivato , mezzo-soprano.

"Music for Contrabass and Computer ", by Cort Lippe. Robert Black, double

 New piece for piano with live electronics,  by Zack Settel. Marc Couroux,
piano.  (10')

 "Taudrium", for double bass with live electronics, by Zack Settel. Robert
Black, double bass.

"LLG147B" , not composed but performed by the Oberkampf Quintet: Couroux,


Date:    Mon, 8 Mar 1999 21:27:09 -0700
From:    Jeff Rona 
Subject: Controller Jitter

I set up the following routine to take MIDI input from a MIDI fader box and
use the data to control various paramters of my patch. Moving any fader
works fine, but moving a couple at a time creates some bogus, jittery data.
Any thoughts on this?

max v2;
#N vpatcher 544 366 944 666;
#P newex 263 156 27 196617 s c8;
#P newex 235 156 27 196617 s c7;
#P newex 207 156 27 196617 s c6;
#P newex 179 156 27 196617 s c5;
#P newex 67 110 28 196617 pack;
#P newex 85 56 40 196617 ctlin c;
#P newex 67 133 211 196617 spray 8;
#P newex 67 156 27 196617 s c1;
#P newex 95 156 27 196617 s c2;
#P newex 123 156 27 196617 s c3;
#P newex 151 156 27 196617 s c4;
#P fasten 5 1 6 0 105 90 72 90;
#P connect 5 0 6 1;
#P connect 4 0 3 0;
#P connect 4 1 2 0;
#P connect 6 0 4 0;
#P connect 4 2 1 0;
#P connect 4 4 7 0;
#P connect 4 3 0 0;
#P connect 4 5 8 0;
#P connect 4 6 9 0;
#P connect 4 7 10 0;
#P pop;

  Be, Hear, Now


Date:    Tue, 9 Mar 1999 17:27:10 +0000
From:    Carlton Wilkinson 
Subject: Sat., March 13

The Arts Council of Princeton, The Times of Trenton
 and present

The Music of Carlton Wilkinson
classical guitarist Stanley Alexandrowicz in performances of 20th
century works
by Ponce, Piazzolla, Angulo, Timothy Moes, Kendall Kennison, and Carlton

7:30 p.m. Saturday, March 13, 1999
The Arts Council of Princeton, Witherspoon St., Princeton, N.J.
(609) 924-8777
Tickets are $10 at the door, $5 in advance until March 12. Call the Arts
at the number above for more info.

This is the last of a four-part series featuring recent solo works by
Trenton composer Carlton Joseph Wilkinson, many involving the computer.
This recital is entirely solo acoustic, in the traditional recital vein.
Look forward to seeing everyone there. The program for the evening,
including a brief bio on Stanley, is listed below.

Variations on a theme of Cabezon (1948)....Manuel M. Ponce
Bermuda High (1997—Premiere)...Kendall Kennison
Three Etudes for Solo Guitar (1994)...Timothy Moes


Cantos Yoruba de Cuba (1970)...Hector Angulo
Division by Four Moons (1994)....Carlton Joseph Wilkinson
Primavera Portna (Spring) (1968)...Astor Piazzolla

Classical guitarist Stanley Alexandrowicz has given premieres of new
works by composers from Europe, Asia, and America, and his
specialization in contemporary music  has led him to perform for such
renowned 20th century 'voices' as Hans Werner Henze. Forging new paths
in literature for the guitar, his recital programs embrace a wide
repertoire including newly commissioned works, neglected masterpieces
of composers Hector Angulo (Cuba) and Vaclav Kucera (Czechoslovakia),
and his own arrangements and transcriptions of works by Witold
Lutoslawski and Benjamin Britten. He holds a Doctor of Musical Arts
Degree from the Manhattan School of Music (where he worked with Manuel
Barrueco), and is currently on the faculty of Mercy College, New York.


End of MAX Digest - 8 Mar 1999 to 9 Mar 1999 (#1999-77)