Subject: MAX Digest - 3 Feb 1999 to 4 Feb 1999 (#1999-42)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 00:00:22 -0500
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There are 15 messages totalling 576 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. shepard tone? and video.
  2. MSP-FM
  3. Minor bug in capture~?
  4. Shepard Scales (2)
  5. lengt of soundfile in buffer
  6. begin~ again
  7. font problem (2)
  8. Copyright of MAX Patches and Objects
  9. MAX Digest - 3 Feb 1999 (#1999-41)
 10. a couple of things regarding the list
 11. MAX list CD reminder
 12. Music of Carlton Wilkinson
 13. Attach an non-USB floppy drive to your iMAC

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Date:    Wed, 3 Feb 1999 22:28:08 -0800
From:    Peter Nyboer 
Subject: shepard tone? and video.

>Date:    Wed, 3 Feb 1999 23:19:06 +0200
>From:    Daniel Nistorescu 
>Subject: Fuck You
>
>Fuck You

Is this what a shepard tone is??

anyway, about video sampling...
There are a lot of voices out there who want to do video sampling, and it
seems that there are few REALLY satisfactory solutions, unless  you have
TUNZ of money and computer programming ability.  This is particularly true
when "satisfactory" means full size/full frame rate.  It is only now that
the hardware seems capable of doing live sampling and manipulation.
Granular Synthesis apparently has some proprietary stuff they use, but I
have never seen one of their apparently overwhelming performances.  Another
group, called Emergency Broadcast Network (EBN), uses their own software
(it looks like it was created in Max, but I don't know if they created
their own objects), but I haven't ever seen it put to live use.  However,
EBN is sampling *only*, so it is fairly limited.  Some other PC software
called VJAMM apparently allows you to do video sampling (only) of 16 clips.
And of course, Image/ine from Steim is a GREAT idea, but it's performance
is lackluster (and it doesn't work with the Media 100 card:( ).   There are
a couple of other software products coming, one of them is Johnny DeKam's
IVP that has a spec list that sounds absolutely fantastic
(http://www.node.net/ivp), and I wish I could fast forward in time to its
release, and try it out on a spiffy new G3 with FireWire.
Did anybody see any of the Kraftwerk shows?  (If you did, you probably are
experiencing some metallic growths on your body by now...)  They had 4
screens of video that was *almost* always identical (a couple of times,
there was a slight variation on one of the screens), and it was ALWAYS in
sync with their music, which, of course, is highly quantized.  I am curious
if anyone has any idea on what they used.  I don't know if the clock their
show ran on was driven from the video, or if the music's clock sync'd the
video.  I only saw one of the shows, so I don't know if the video was the
same for each performance.
As for video desires:
I want live video in, a bin of movies, a bin of stills, and a bin of
effects, perhaps Photoshop/After Effects/Premier compatible with as many
layers as possible (according to the user's system processer speed, drive
speed, movie data rate etc), with layer "modes" (difference, screen,
overlay, etc...) and transparency.  An easily accessed "present movie" mode
would be wonderful, in which the screen was black except for the movie.
MIDI control over in/out points for the clips that are playing.   The
ability to capture the output to a quicktime movie would be marvelous.
Oh, I want it to import the finest Prociutto and mozzerella from Italy.

Peter.

Peter Nyboer
pnyboer@sirius.com
http://www.sirius.com/~pnyboer
"Now, I not some guru or Dog or anything"

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Date:    Thu, 4 Feb 1999 01:16:32 -0600
From:    Bob Falesch 
Subject: MSP-FM

Greg.Taylor@CP.ARTESYN.COM writes

> Some backchannel mail to Bob Falesch has resulted in a project I'd like
> to invite your participation in.

While it's enjoyable to be credited as an inspiration for worthy projects
noble and otherwise, I'm mystified about how my first-ever email reply (on
03
Feb 1999) resulted in a "project."

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Date:    Thu, 4 Feb 1999 10:38:16 +0000
From:    Trond Lossius 
Subject: Minor bug in capture~?

To me it seems like there might be a very minor bug in capture~.
capture~ displays samples in patches of 256 samples. However it seems
like the very first batch captured is one sample to big (257 samples).
If this is the case it might cause misleading conclusions when using
capture~ for debugging.

Could someone please run the following test patch to confirmed or deny
the described behavior?

I'm using Max 3.5.9 and MSP 1.5.1.

Thanks a lot.

Trond L.

max v2;
#N vpatcher 95 67 429 387;
#P comment 141 242 76 196617 capture most recent samples;
#P newex 142 218 91 196617 capture~ f 1026 0;
#P newex 44 218 91 196617 capture~ f 1026 0;
#P newex 44 184 45 196617 *~ 256.;
#P message 73 86 14 196617 0;
#P message 270 97 27 196617 stop;
#P message 232 80 65 196617 startwindow;
#P newex 232 123 29 196617 dac~;
#P newex 44 163 44 196617 phasor~;
#P newex 44 137 81 196617 expr 1000./$f1;
#P newex 44 112 64 196617 sampstoms~;
#P message 44 86 26 196617 256;
#P newex 44 62 45 196617 loadbang;
#P comment 131 122 66 196617 Freq. giving one cycle per 256 samples;
#P comment 40 15 228 196620 First batch of samples in capture contains
one sample to much?;
#P comment 43 242 69 196617 capture first samples;
#P connect 4 0 5 0;
#P connect 6 0 7 0;
#P connect 3 0 4 0;
#P fasten 3 0 11 0 49 82 78 82;
#P connect 5 1 6 0;
#P connect 7 0 12 0;
#P connect 12 0 13 0;
#P fasten 12 0 14 0 49 210 147 210;
#P connect 9 0 8 0;
#P connect 10 0 8 0;
#P fasten 11 0 7 1 78 108 129 108 129 157 83 157;
#P pop;

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Date:    Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:08:19 +0100
From:    Jost Muxfeldt 
Subject: Re: Shepard Scales

I am getting error messages when trying to access this link. is this
address correct?

> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Wed, 3 Feb 1999 20:20:35 -0500
> From:    Otto Henry 
> Subject: Shepard Scales
>
> Documentation  and information on Shepard Scales can be viewed at:
>
> http://www.music.mcgill.ca/shepscal.html
>
>
> Thot someone might like to know!
>
> Regards, O.
>
> ------------------------------

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Date:    Mon, 4 Feb 1980 12:29:04 +0200
From:    Joachim Gossmann 
Subject: Re: lengt of soundfile in buffer

> Hi again
> Is there a way to get an readout of the length off a soundfil in a buffer?
> Using the editor window is not what I nead.

It can be retrieved from the 7th output of the info~ object.
If your info~ object only has 6 outputs, you´re propably using an old
version of MSP.
Updates are availalble at:

http://www.cycling74.com/products/dlmsp.html

Greetings, Joachim

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Date:    Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:39:08 +0000
From:    david stevens 
Subject: Re: begin~ again

Manuel wrote:

>
> Using mute~ connected to one of  your subpatcher's inlets will be more
> efficient and safe - in terms of  CPU and 'patcher-ergonomy'- than
> begin~/selector~-gate~, from my experience.

thanks, that works fine..... except for one subpatch (containing a comb~
filter)
which crashes Max with a type 3 error every time I send it the mute message.
very strange. It's connected to the "aux 3" sends and returns of a bpatcher
which functions as the master audio section. Perhaps the mute message is
getting
to the bpatcher somehow and causing the crash?

oh well - i can live with that patcher staying unmuted.

david

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Date:    Thu, 4 Feb 1999 08:01:55 -0500
From:    David Crandall 
Subject: Re: Shepard Scales

On Thu, 4 Feb 1999, Jost Muxfeldt wrote:

> I am getting error messages when trying to access this link. is this
> address correct?
>
>
> > http://www.music.mcgill.ca/shepscal.html

I got into the site by deleting averything after mcgill.ca/ but couldn't
find anything resembling discussion of SS's...

dc

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Date:    Thu, 4 Feb 1999 10:38:53 -0500
From:    Don Malone 
Subject: Re: font problem

i am having a strange font problem with a max patch
i have created a custom font including some symbols for use in menus
i install the font then load the patch
three of the four characters are fine
the other is that block character meaning cant find character
if i select the menu and look at the font list no font is checked
when i reselect the font all four are fine

how can max find three characters and not the fourth

happy tunes
Don

312)341-6477

Don't anthropomorphize computers. They hate that.

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Date:    Thu, 4 Feb 1999 17:53:30 +0100
From:    Vincent Puig 
Subject: Copyright of MAX Patches and Objects

Most of the MAX Patches distributed by Ircam on the Forum Ircam cds are
public domain but it is safer to check with their authors or on the
documentation for re-distribution rights (especially if commercial).

MSP patches and objects distributed on the Forum Ircam cds are licensed to
Forum members only (with rights (like other Forum Ircam software) to use
them in education, research and music production (no limitations on paying
or not paying activities)). Re-distribution right is free (and encouraged)
to Forum members only. Out of the Forum users need a Forum license (or
membership as we call it).

Vincent Puig
IRCAM
1 place Igor Stravinsky
75004 Paris
France
Tel: 01 44 78 49 59
Fax: 01 44 78 15 40
email : puig@ircam.fr

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Date:    Thu, 4 Feb 1999 09:15:42 -0800
From:    Nicholas Hind 
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 3 Feb 1999 (#1999-41)

> Date:    Wed, 3 Feb 1999 23:19:06 +0200
> From:    Daniel Nistorescu 
> Subject: Fuck You
>
> Fuck You

In the 12 months or more I've been reading this list, this is about the
most useful and interesting piece of info I've picked up!

To the moderator: please get me off this list. My last attempt at doing it
resulted in the following automated response (and I'm none the wiser for
it):

Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 12:28:50 -0500
From: BITNET list server at MCGILL1 
Reply-To: MAX-Request@VM1.MCGILL.CA
To: Nicky Hind 
Subject: Your request to sign off the MAX list

No entry  for your nicky@CCRMA.STANFORD.EDU address  could be found in
the MAX
list at MCGILL1. Here  are a number of possible reasons why  you might
still be
getting mail from the list:

_________________________________________
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'VM.UNI-C.DK'
are the same machine, but unless that fact has been registered it is
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for   LISTSERV   to  know   that   'user@NEUVM1'   is   the  same   person
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2. You  might be  subscribed under  an equivalent yet  different address
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Date:    Thu, 4 Feb 1999 13:37:23 -0500
From:    Christopher Murtagh 
Subject: a couple of things regarding the list

First off, thanks to most people for being polite enough not to send
messages like this to the list:

On Thu, 4 Feb 1999, Nicholas Hind wrote:
> To the moderator: please get me off this list. My last attempt at doing it
> resulted in the following automated response (and I'm none the wiser for
> it):
>
> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 12:28:50 -0500
> From: BITNET list server at MCGILL1 

Also, it tunrs out that Nicholas was sending his command to the wrong
adress. A little reminder the MAX listserv changed location slightly, so
the command address is listserv@lists.mcgill.ca and the posting address is
max@lists.mcgill.ca. Please make not of it and change your address books
if you haven't already done so. You can find all the info you need and
much more at:

http://www.music.mcgill.ca/max

or

www.node.net/MAX

(which is easier to type, and a great site. Just follow the link labeled
'The List').

If ever these www pages don't give you the help you are looking for, you
can always email me at chris@music.mcgill.ca, and I'll try to help you out
ASAP.

Also, for archive sake and quick scanning, please don't use subject lines
like:  Re: MAX Digest - 3 Feb 1999 (#1999-41).

Thanks,

Chris

-----------------
Christopher Murtagh
MAX listserv owner
http://www.music.mcgill.ca/max

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Date:    Thu, 4 Feb 1999 13:44:49 -0500
From:    Christopher Murtagh 
Subject: MAX list CD reminder

Greetings MAXers,

I am now starting to get submissions for the MAX list CD (some really
great stuff). Just wanted to say that the more the merrier, so send away.
I will be posting a web page soon with more details (such as financing,
approximate CD cost, submissions, etc.).

The postal address is:

Christopher Murtagh
58 Davis St
Aylmer, Quebec
J9H 5C9
Canada

Happy Maxing,

Chris

-----------------
Christopher Murtagh
MAX listserv owner
http://www.music.mcgill.ca/max

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Date:    Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:07:32 -0500
From:    Stephen Kay 
Subject: Re: font problem

>i am having a strange font problem with a max patch
>i have created a custom font including some symbols for use in menus
>i install the font then load the patch
>three of the four characters are fine
>the other is that block character meaning cant find character
>if i select the menu and look at the font list no font is checked
>when i reselect the font all four are fine

It could be that you've got a font ID conflict with some other
font. That might make max not know that this font is selected
initially.

Stephen Kay

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Date:    Thu, 4 Feb 1999 18:51:10 +0000
From:    Carlton Joseph Wilkinson 
Subject: Music of Carlton Wilkinson

Please excuse the length of this blatant advertisement. In addition to
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to others.
Hope everyone is well.
Yours, Carlton.
--------
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----------

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Date:    Thu, 4 Feb 1999 20:22:19 -0600
From:    Ken Gregory 
Subject: Attach an non-USB floppy drive to your iMAC

FYI

Not for the weak-hearted!

The Feb 99 issue of MacAddict details a hardware hack which allows a
standard Mac 3.5 SuperDrive to used with the iMac. The motherboard has the
hardware, power supply and a 20 pin slot all ready for use. The system has
all the sodtware drivers need.

You can also buy a kit with everything needed at www.imac-floppy.com.

Voids your iMac warranty though.

But, you could properly authorize your iMac to run Max.........hhhmmmmmm

Ciao,
ken

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