Subject: MAX Digest - 30 Jan 1999 to 31 Jan 1999 (#1999-37)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 00:00:00 -0500
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There are 9 messages totalling 261 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. USB Mac MIDI solution
  2. 'Official' Vote results in.
  3. GS floppy authorization
  4. bundle away floppies
  5. corrupted patches
  6. memory leaks
  7. MAX in the classroom
  8. Max->Csound Patches
  9. MSP objects in MAX object window


Date:    Sat, 30 Jan 1999 21:35:28 -0800
From:    Alex Stahl 
Subject: Re: USB Mac MIDI solution

>Opcode has just announced new USB hardware products, including MIDI

So has Emagic:


Date:    Sun, 31 Jan 1999 00:35:01 -0500
From:    Christopher Murtagh 
Subject: 'Official' Vote results in.

Greetings MAXers,

 The official resluts of the MAX list vote regarding the status of antiorp
are posted as promised. Please have a look at:

This should bring the whole saga to an end, and peace back to the MAX

Thanks for the many letters of support.

Happy MAXing,

Christopher Murtagh
MAX listserv owner

P.S. Thanks to Andrew Brouse for the help in finalizing and validating.


Date:    Sat, 30 Jan 1999 23:34:39 -0800
From:    Richard Zvonar 
Subject: Re: GS floppy authorization

At 6:17 PM -0800 01/30/99, Alex Stahl wrote:

>RZ mentioned external floppies. I am pretty sure that if you go out and try
>this today, it won't work.

I heard about Opcode's intention to retain floppy-based authorization from
an Opcode employee at NAMM. It WAS spoken of as something that would happen
in the future. Whatever the reality of this method, it sounds pretty fucked
up to me since it adds another $150 to the price of the software.

Richard Zvonar, PhD                   
(818) 788-2202 voice                  
(818) 788-2203 fax                    



Date:    Sun, 31 Jan 1999 14:57:11 +0000
From:    filip 
Subject: bundle away floppies

dear maxers

I do not think it is a realistic way of thinking but -

wouldn't it be great to get this max/msp - bundle as an update if one
purchased both, max and msp once in the past?
i bought max many years ago in an apple-store and msp from ircam some
ten month ago ( i didn't know anything about cycling'74 at this time)

i would even pay some $$ for such a gift since maxin' is part of



Date:    Sun, 31 Jan 1999 12:33:12 +0000
From:    Michael DeMurga 
Subject: Re: corrupted patches

Max folks:

Thanks for explaining patch connections and Max's reaction to missing
external objects.

I'm cleaning up my externals and File Preferences paths, in case there
are instances of two objects with the same name, old vs. new object
versions, etc.




Date:    Sun, 31 Jan 1999 21:18:49 +0100
From:    Oeyvind Brandtsegg 
Subject: Re: memory leaks

Thanks for your information regarding memory leaks,
it straightened things out for me,
as I got some of my suspicions confirmed.

Peter Castine wrote:

> If you have access to a copy of ZoneRanger,

Downloaded it, will try it out soon.

>  Could possibly be a basic Max problem (perhaps Max is not
> completely deleting some references while you are editing the patcher).
> Select All/Copy/save in new document would have a tendency to iron out
> such problems.

So it might be a good idea to do this kind of cleanup of all one's patches
some regular interval ? Boring work, but I can see the benefits ...

> >3. Could a memory leak cause a crash, even if there's still a lot of
> >memory available ?
> Indirectly, yes. Like this: a memory leak is indicative of mistakes in
> memory management. If code stops using a chunk of memory but forgets to
> deallocate it, it is equally possibly that the same code may try to use a
> chunk of memory it _hasn't_ allocated.


> If David Z. has time to respond, he can probably answer the above in more
> detail and with more authority than I can. In the mean time, I hope the
> above is some help.

Yes, indeed it helped.
Further discussion/suggestions would also be good, I think. As this seems to
be the source of a lot of Max's instability. In such cases where I *know* my
patches are programmed properly, and everything should be working right, but
Max still crashes...

Oeyvind Brandtsegg


Date:    Sun, 31 Jan 1999 13:39:49 -0800
From:    Elliot Anderson 
Subject: MAX in the classroom

        In response to David Crandall's questions about MAX in the
classroom, you
have answered your inquiry with two words; Visual Arts.  I teach at UC
Santa Cruz and the San Francisco Art Institute.  I am responsible for
programming courses and curriculum.  I have found it very difficult to
attempt to teach C/C++ or Java to visual art students, but easier to use
MAX.  I believe it is the visual aspect of MAX that makes the difference.
Also, the debugging is easier and there are simple things that can be done
that give immediate results.
        Most of my students are beginning undergraduates.  They come with
expectation that they will be taught how to scan and manipulate images with
 Photoshop.  The see the computer as a tool and not a medium.  There is
much resistance to learning how to program.  My FIRM belief is that artists
who use technology MUST know how the technology works and how to program.
Not a popular position in visual art departments.  MAX has been my best
        At UCSC we introduced students to Java as a way of getting them to
program.  The students complained that it took too much time to learn and
develop projects.  With MAX there is immediate feed back and visual cues to
problems in the program.  This helps in dealing with students'
frustrations.  Also, given that we are on a quarter system, students can at
least get an interface together in ten weeks.
        My major criticism of MAX for visual art is that it doesn't handle
graphics and video well.  Manipulating and layering graphics is a bit
awkward.  The presentation of video and graphics still requires some window
around it.  Most of my students still think Director is the answer, but
most also think of interactivity as CD-ROMS not installation.  I personally
think CD-ROMS are silly and cheap looking, mostly because of Director.  I
also don't think CD-ROM work is particularly interesting.
        For more editorial comments and suggestions, you can email me

Elliot Anderson

Elliot Anderson
Adjunct Professor, Electronic Media,
Art Department
University of California, Santa Cruz


Date:    Sun, 31 Jan 1999 23:20:01 +0100
From:    Maurizio Giri 
Subject: Max->Csound Patches

Hi all,

do you know of any Max patches that work with Csound (either in real or
deferred time) other than GrainMaker?



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Date:    Sun, 31 Jan 1999 18:46:01 -0800
From:    Keay 
Subject: MSP objects in MAX object window

Hello all,

   Perhaps you can tell me, how can I get to see the MSP objects show up
in my MAX object window?  So that say, I can pull down my notein object
and then grab a dac~ object without having to do it from memory?

If this is possible and it is somewhere in my MSP or MAX documentation,
you could just point me in the correct direction.  Thanks,


End of MAX Digest - 30 Jan 1999 to 31 Jan 1999 (#1999-37)