Subject: MAX Digest - 25 Jan 1999 (#1999-30)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 00:00:00 -0500
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There are 6 messages totalling 201 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Max Patches in a web browser (2)
  2. cpu %
  3. Elliot Anderson = GOD
  4. Taiwan
  5. Max and the PC


Date:    Mon, 25 Jan 1999 20:10:52 +0100
From:    Peter Castine 
Subject: Re: Max Patches in a web browser

On around 25-1-99 6:31, Johnny DeKam said something like:

>For my test, I used the *.max extension.
>I went to the preferences of my browser, and selected "helper apps"
>I then added a file type, and entered .max as the extension to look for.
>I associated MAX to the file extension by clicking 'browse' and selecting
>on my hardrive - this set the creator and type code for the .max extension.
>There is a field for MIME type, which I left blank.

The obvious provisional value for MIME type: application/x-max. This will
do until such time as max becomes an official MIME type and makes it into
RFC 1521. Then the "x-" can disappear.

I expect the folks at Opcode and Cycling'74 have other priorities,

One way or another, a MIME type will become essential if max patchers are
to be served via HTTP.

I expect the folks at Cycling'74 and Opcode may have other priorities.

In some ways the MIME type is more important than the ugly suffix. But
first things first: who's gonna develop the Netscrape/Exploiter plug-in?

I expect the people at Opcode and Cycling'74 have other priorities but
maybe the Parisians want to take this on.



Apologies for the Trudeauvian (Gary, not Pierre) attempt to emulate the
repetitious style that's recently been so popular among some bright young
people on the Max list. For reasons that may become clear in my
.signature, I cannot bring myself to the true extremes of redundancy. I
guess I'm a failure. I'll leave it alone in future.

--------------------------- Dr. Peter Castine ---------------------------

                     `Just the place for a Snark!' I have said it twice
                          That alone should encourage the crew.
                      `Just the place for a Snark!' I have said it thrice
                          What I tell you three times is true.


Date:    Mon, 25 Jan 1999 09:54:37 -0700
From:    Alex Stahl 
Subject: cpu %

Does the CPU utilisation number in the dsp state window in any way reflect
CPU time spent on non-dsp tasks? In particular, I'm really pushing on some
lcd objects and I would like to roughly quantify the resources going to
graphics versus those going to audio. If I could confirm that the cpu %
indication has absolutely nothing to do with deferred graphics activity, I
could sort of back into the measurement I need.

Alex Stahl


Date:    Mon, 25 Jan 1999 22:50:03 +0100
From:    "Dr. Karlheinz Essl" 
Subject: Re: Max Patches in a web browser

Johnny DeKam  wrote:

> (Question for David Z. -- have you decided on a file extension for WinMAX
> yet?)

In good old IRCAM days with the ISPW we used the .pat extension on the
NeXT... Maybe we should continue this habit on the other platforms.


   Dr. Karlheinz Essl - Composer
   Vienna / Austria
   Studio for Advanced Music & Media Technology


Date:    Mon, 25 Jan 1999 16:56:44 -0000
From:    Kurt Ralske 
Subject: Elliot Anderson = GOD

>Date:    Sun, 24 Jan 1999 14:06:51 -0800
>From:    Elliot Anderson 
>        I would like to ask a question of the list.  Can we discern the
>rant from
>serious questioning and discourse?  My point is this, the technology that
>we all work with is not neutral, if it were it would probably not hold our
>interest for very long.  Given this, I believe there is a place for
>discussion of issues that are not specifically related to the nuts and
>        This list is an opportunity for discourse.  We have among us a
>of some of the most thoughtful individuals working with new technologies.
>I would hate to see a discussion among these individuals stifled by rules
>of appropriate speech restricted to technics.  There should be an ongoing
>questioning of our medium and motives.  Isn't this what art is and what it
>        However, again we must discern rant from discourse.  I agree what
>has been
>occurring is opportunistic, that certain individuals are not in dialectic
>mode but in solipsistic revery.  This is of course not conducive to the
>side band conversation that I believe should be carried.  People often make
>statements with questions, as is obvious from the postings of our recent
>        My question is how do we filter fairly?  Which amounts to the
>question of
>the rules of the culture that takes place here.  Can we come together to
>determine what the boundaries of discussion are and how they are inscribed
>in filters?  There is both statement and questioning in this posting.  I
>hope members of the list can entertain both.
>Elliot Anderson

YAAY Elliot! Thank you.


Date:    Tue, 26 Jan 1999 00:34:24 +0100
From:    "Mag. Andreas Weixler" 
Subject: Taiwan

Dear colleagues,

I am going to visit Taiwan and looking for computermusic there.
Does anyone know studios, Universities, society for electronic music etc ?
Any Maxers around there ?

Hope some can help.
Thank You

- - - please note new email adress - -
Andreas Weixler, composer
IEM Graz - SAMT Linz - GEM Austria
Atelier Avant - electronic access


Date:    Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:56:28 -0800
From:    Elliot Anderson 
Subject: Max and the PC

        I have to agree with the desire for Max on a PC.  PC's are much
all around, cheaper memory, components, upgrades, etc.  I build my own
keeping one with the latest technology and pass the old stuff to my two
other PC's.
        I run Max on a Quadra at home and on Power PC's in my classes.  I
use Max
to teach programming and interactivity to visual artists (I CANNOT teach
them C, they need visuals.)  I code my work in C/C++.  I would love to have
the parallel capabilities of Max that I can't get without a lot of C/C++
development time and overhead.
        Instead of NT, how about Max Linux?  This way one avoids the
challenged Microsoft.  PD, Max's clone (should I say that?) runs well under
Linux.  It's just not as robust.

Elliot Anderson

Elliot Anderson
Adjunct Professor, Electronic Media,
Art Department
University of California, Santa Cruz


End of MAX Digest - 25 Jan 1999 (#1999-30)