Subject: MAX Digest - 20 Jan 1999 - Special issue (#1999-21)
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Topics in this special issue:

  1. Fwd: b!t revolut!on : : part _ 0+3
  2. Fwd: b!t revolut!on : : part _ 0+2
  3. Fwd: b!t revolut!on : : part _ 0+1
  4. Variable speed MIDI-file playback?
  5. MAX Digest - 18 Jan 1999 to 19 Jan 1999 (#1999-19)

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Date:    Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:33:06 +0100
From:    + <+@SYMBIOTIC.ORG>
Subject: Fwd: b!t revolut!on : : part _ 0+3

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>Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 06:32:25 -0600
>From: antiorp@tezcat.com (=3Dcw4t7abs)
>Subject: b!t revolut!on : : part _ 0+3
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>|   p e r m i t . o n e . p e r m i t . a l e f . o n e .
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> | zve!t3[z]!ztem
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> -   part 0+3     dze b!t revolut!on. 0+1 elokuent oppoz!t!on 2 dze
>                  maxforum lo.tekk `democracy`
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>  \    \          continued in part 0+0 - prologue
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>                 sch
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>            alorz
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>                         demande moi de t'=E9couter s'il te plait
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>                grav!t=E9  d=E9kor @ !v
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>all the powers of revendication immediate or not in which the
>substantial element of what is good is reconstituted indifferently
>demand to be put into action.
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>the accidental objections that seem to me of a sort to reinforce these
>essential objections play on the fact that today the revolutionary world
>finds itself for the first time divided into two parts - which to be sure
>aspire with all their might to unite and which will do so
>but now find between them a wall so many centuries thick that there can be
>no question of rising above it only of destroying it.
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>the opacity and resistance of this wall are such that on either side of it
>the forces that fight to have it laid low are for the most part reduced to
>being suspicious of and guessing about each other's moves.
>a prey - it is true - to its own very active fissures
>this wall offers this particularity: that in front of it
>life is being robustly konstrukted and organized
>whereas behind it the revolutionary effort is applied to the necessary
>deconstruction and reorganization of the existing state of things.
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>kommun!kat!ng vesselz. plag!ar!zm zavz t!.me + shouz m! !n!t.at!v. -
>a.b.rrrr.et.on.
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>THE VOTE     [excerpt]
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>......
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>Please note: There is NO campaign period, the vote question is NOT to be
>debated on the list. Anyone posting propaganda one way or another
>regarding this vote will be removed from the list immediately.
>
>.....
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>
>Christopher Murtagh
>MAX listserv owner
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> please formulate own
> diagnosis upon completion of one meticulous analysis
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>     t humanz =3D=3D !
>                 n
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Date:    Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:33:00 +0100
From:    + <+@SYMBIOTIC.ORG>
Subject: Fwd: b!t revolut!on : : part _ 0+2

>Mime-Version: 1.0
>Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 06:32:17 -0600
>From: antiorp@tezcat.com (=cw4t7abs)
>Subject: b!t revolut!on : : part _ 0+2
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> | zve!t3[z]!ztem
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> -   part 0+0     dze b!t revolut!on. 0+0 elokuent oppoz!t!on 2 dze
>                  max forum lo.tekk `democracy`
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>  \
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> any student has to learn -
> to expose plainly itself
> to the plain word of the other without translation.
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> this evokes in the image of a striving for intimacy with the other.
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> a striving to gain intimacy via finding a common language to describe a
> shared experience. no - finding a common language in order to +create+ a
> shared experience.
>
> this is >exactly< the contrary of what is meant en fact:
> there is +no+ shared experience.
> the one-ly shared experience is the situation of a place [i.e. a time]
> there is a finding of a common language
> through a sharing of experience and vice versa +?
>
> certainly +not+. there no vice-versa. the vice-versa is
> diachronic: the common langauge is a mirage.
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> with an incomprehensible written text the uncomprehending reader is stuck
> blocked from insight.
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> this is exactly it. and exactly the way humans >do< operate:
> +NOT+ to understand.
> i am responsible of >my< words: but stand-under the `significant`.
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> the method by which to become unstuck is to discuss the text with
> one life form which does not feel abs stuck by it so that there can be a
>shared
> experience of finding a common language among reader1-text-reader2.
>
> this is theoretical work in a fine art way: literature i.e. or a
linguistic
> approach in a laboratory shared in a team of researchers.
> the transference of unconscious desire
> between two persons expressed by the speech of one of the two.
>
> - a quote  from sigmund koch:
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> language is at best a feeble instrument
> even among members of a highly
> trained language community having quite limited problematic interests.
> physicists in one empirical area do not necessarily fully understand
> physicists in another.
> within each scientific area even when granulated
> rather finely there may be distinguished disorderly hierarchies of
language
> communities.
> in the extreme case there may be definite and unique
> observable properties and relations which only two men perhaps working in
> the same laboratory may be able to perceive and denote by some linguistic
> expression.
> moreover it should be stressed that the stratification of
> language communities within a science may reflect variations in the
> sensitivity of observers just as much as differential foci of training
>
> - end a quote  from sigmund koch:
>
> this side of language is the +PERFORMING+ side.
> it is >vital< for social efficiency
> physic . economic . politik  means for the >survival< of every life form.
> the practice of science uses it extensively.
> it is highly respectable so.
> the unconscious discourse of desire the lack of the 'significant'
> or the myth of the agalma object pin [the -at least- 3 structures]
> are matters of the language +OUT+ of the performing space.
> it is the +TRANSFERANTIAL+ side of human language.
>
> the point is: if one decides [an ethical decision] to apply the
> understanding way to transference one fails always .
> because the paradoxical nature of the unconscious is to be +NOT+
understood.
> here and now.
> it is why the technique of zen or the one of humor or surprise or silence
> - the unconscious is not intelligent - but its
> only goal is: not to be understood.
> 2 add: it is as a part of the human being >legitimate<.
>
> in this way the concept of gaining entry into a text is parallel to that
> of subscribing to a fantasy.
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>------
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> osc!lat!ng zoftl!
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>------
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>!f unfortunatel! du = dz!dd 2 abort dze m9ndfukc rout!n:
>mailto:ur_email_adresz@m9ndfukc.fr
>                   teczt: subscribe unsubscribe m9ndfukc
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> | zve!t3[z]!ztem
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> -   part 0+0     dze b!t revolut!on. 0+1 elokuent oppoz!t!on 2 dze
>                  max forum lo.tekk `democracy`
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>  \    \ continued in part 0+2 - may konsult subsequent transmissions if so
>desire
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>THE VOTE     [excerpt]
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>......
>
>Please note: There is NO campaign period, the vote question is NOT to be
>debated on the list. Anyone posting propaganda one way or another
>regarding this vote will be removed from the list immediately.
>
>.....
>
>
>Thank you.
>
>Christopher Murtagh
>MAX listserv owner
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> please formulate own
> diagnosis upon completion of one meticulous analysis
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> a = k
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>     o
>        re
>     k
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>     t humanz == !
>                 n
>                 k
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>                    o
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>                 k
>                 t
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Date:    Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:32:55 +0100
From:    + <+@SYMBIOTIC.ORG>
Subject: Fwd: b!t revolut!on : : part _ 0+1

>Mime-Version: 1.0
>Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 06:32:08 -0600
>From: antiorp@tezcat.com (=cw4t7abs)
>Subject: b!t revolut!on : : part _ 0+1
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> | zve!t3[z]!ztem
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> -   le fantome de la liberte  : :  1*th january model citizen year 1999
> -
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> -   part 0+n   - dze b!t revolut!on. 0+1 elokuent oppoz!t!on 2 dze
> -                maxforum lo.tekk `democracy`
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>  \
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>                  _______.....
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>                           _______.....
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>                          =cw4t7abs : v!a #P hidden connect 3 1 4 0
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>                          d z e . f a n t o m . o v . l ! b e r t !
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>                          _______.....
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>                  _______.....
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>  hallo
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>>I'm sorry that this has come to this, and the tone of this message
>>might not be all that gentle; we just need to end this battle now.
>
>
>however enervating - the emotional and time investment required
>to address the `underlying issues` is well worth the effort.
>[to not address the `underlying issues` is a failure.
>a failure which fails to address the cause - it obfuscates the problem
>thereby exacerbating the situation.
>it establishes the required environment for its survival.
>it legitimizes the initial claim and aligns with it in spirit
>by opposing it via superficial "Y/N" means.
>in essence a failure to address the `underlying issues` advocates -
>this war is meant to be continued... we delude ourselves]
>
>
>
>> Should antiorp be allowed to post messages to the MAX list (Y/N)?
>> A vote of 'Y' means that full status shall be returned to antiorp (no
>> filtering).
>> A vote of 'N' means that antiorp will no longer be allowed to POST to the
>> MAX list at all (but still receive messages).
>
>
>
>i may add - the fixation with solutions through
>superficial "Y/N" means is most distressing.
>it is an affront to life form ability to comprehend. understand. process.
>it glorifies simplistic. violent measures which impede progress.
>
>it is equivalent with detonating a bomb on those with whom we disagree.
>it is desirable to question the efficacy of such actions and their long
>term effects.
>
>we have at our disposal an organ with approx 50 billion neurons with
>a million billion synapses and with an overall firing rate of approx
>10 million billion times per second.
>
>do we feel so overwhelmed by the sensory information impinging upon our
brains
>that we find it necessary to relegate these decisions to a "Y/N" program
>which does not posses even the hundred thousandth mental capacity of a
>house fly +?
>[house fly = methaphor]
>
>
>
> .
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> | zve!t3[z]!ztem
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> -   part 0+3  - dze b!t revolut!on. 0+1 elokuent oppoz!t!on 2 dze
>                                                     max forum lo.tekk
>`democracy`
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>                                     [ d!sz !zt d!g!tl terra!n ]
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>    [ everything has been said provided words
>              do not change their meaning and meanings their words ]
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>   1     2     3      4      5      6
>  / \   / \   / \    / \    / \    / \
> 1  2   3  4  5  6   7 8   9  10  11 12
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>each universe is constructed of 2 universes.
>may notice
>1 = splits into 1 and 2
>2 = splits into 3 and 4
>3 = splits into 5 and 6
>4 = splits into 7 and 8
>n = splits into 2n-1 and 2n.
>
>one may continue splitting any given universe indefinitely
>thus obtaining one infinite number of components in
>any bit of matter
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>[hallo dudas@CNMAT.BERKELEY.EDU]
>freedom is gained from the fact that not any size scale is intrinsically
>more basik or important or complex than any other size scale.
>
>one often is pressured into feeling that the concerns of
>the majority are more significant than one's own immediate personal
concerns.
>this is based on the fallacious assumption that select sizes are in one
>absolute sense
>larger than others.  it is this assumption which the circular scale
>undermines.
>
>
>hence
>
>
>| l!beratd l!fe energ!e | komradluvrzozc!lfreel!
>
>
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>      THE maxforum `democracy`
>      is not in a position to - at each operation. at each transaction. at
>each moment.
>
>                keep under surveillance
>                inspect
>                spy upon
>                boss
>                regulate
>                pen in
>                register
>                evaluate
>                appraise
>                censure
>                order about
>                mark down
>                record
>                inventory
>                price
>                stamp
>                measure
>                number
>                assess
>                license
>                authorize
>                sanction
>                endorse
>                reprimand
>                obstruct
>                reform
>                rebuke
>                chastise
>                requisition
>                drill
>                fleece
>                exploit
>                monopolize
>                extort
>                squeeze
>                hoax
>                rob
>
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>                any other life form
>
>
>
>then - at the slightest resistance. the first word of complaint.
>
>                                squelch
>                                correct
>                                vilify
>                                bully
>                                hound
>                                torment
>                                bludgeon
>                                strangle
>                                judge
>                                condemn
>                                deport
>                                sacrifice
>                                sell
>
>                                any other life form
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>         and to top it off
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>                                ridicule
>                                make a fool of
>                                outrage
>                                dishonor
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>                                any other life form
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>      THE maxforum `democracy`
>      has neither the right nor the knowledge nor the virtue to do so.
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>THE maxforum `democracy`s logic                           is
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>null [please consult public library]
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>THE maxforum `democracy`s morality                        is
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>nonsense
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>THE maxforum `democracy`s justice                         is
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>injustice
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>THE maxforum `democracy`s `democratic`                    is
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>an affront
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>one life form is as important as a galaxy
>one life form is as important as an atom
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>
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>hence
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>| l!beratd l!fe energ!e | oscillate freely .
>oscillate softly. oscillate frantically. [suggestion]
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>|   p e r m i t . o n e . p e r m i t . a l e f . o n e .
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> | zve!t3[z]!ztem
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> -
> -   part 0+3     dze b!t revolut!on. 0+1 elokuent oppoz!t!on 2
>                  dze maxforum lo.tekk `democracy`
> -
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>  \    \          continued in part 0+4 - epilogue
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Date:    Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:44:19 +0100
From:    Peter Castine 
Subject: Re: Variable speed MIDI-file playback?

On around 20-1-99 13:01, =D8ivind  Ids=F8 said something like:

>And David Z.: how about a variable speed playback Seq object?

Are you using the hook message? Works great for me.

Mind you, it may not be the way you're thinking of tempo, but it's not
hard to set up a patch with an / object that remembers the current tempo
and sends out an appropriate value to append to hook whenever you want to
change tempo.

Hope this helps,

Peter

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Date:    Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:29:35 +0100
From:    "Sebastian Oschatz, meso" 
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 18 Jan 1999 to 19 Jan 1999 (#1999-19)

sollten wir eigentlich machen; oder..?

On Mit, 20. Jan 1999, 5:00:00 Uhr GMT Automatic digest processor wrote:

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> Date:    Tue, 19 Jan 1999 00:31:59 -0500
> From:    Johnny DeKam 
> Subject: MAX Consultants
>
> David Z. Wrote:
>
> > I regularly get requests from people looking for people to
> > write Max patches for them, and it would be great if there
> > would be a list of people who would be interested in doing
> > this sort of work. Then I could point prospective clients
> > to such a list, and feel like I was doing everyone a favor.
> >
> > I'm not sure how to proceed, but one idea might be that
> > someone who was maintaining a Max-related web site might
> > want to solicit e-mail from interested consultants, and
> > then compile a nice list. Information in such a list might
> > include relevant experience and some kind of statement of
> > the sort of things the consultant likes to do.
>
> The UnMAX web site would be an ideal venue for this sort
> of thing... I volunteer to host and maintain the list of
> MAX consultants.
>
> I've set up a filter to route requests -
> If you are interested in being available as a MAX consultant,
> that is, available to write MAX patches for $$$ or pleasure,
> send an email to the following address: consult@node.net
> mailto:consult@node.net
>
> Please include the following information:
> Full name
> email address
> web site if applicable
> interests and/or experience and/or area of expertise
> (EG hardware interface, audio/MSP, composition, robotics,
> performance, installation, sensors, instrument hacks etc. etc)
> phone # (optional)
> Brief bio and/or CV (also optional)
>
> Any information you submit will be made public on UnMAX,
> so keep that in mind.
>
> If response is good, the next step might be a separate listserv
> only for proposals/requests or work/job listings.
>
> --- Johnny DeKam
> http://node.net/MAX/  - Unauthorized MAX
>

sebastian oschatz

w w w .  m e s o  .  n e t

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