Subject: MAX Digest - 11 Jan 1999 to 12 Jan 1999 (#1999-12)
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There are 16 messages totalling 551 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Winter Nightmareland
  2. 
  3. new G3 report (4)
  4. P.A.F.
  5. New G3s (2)
  6. (char)coal    I've never seen that behaviour...
  7. windows 1.95 : geburt e!ner !kk rout!n
  8. hazt du ke!n geld +?
  9. Some MIDI solutions for new G3 Mac and iMac
 10. Handling fonts in Max
 11. Powerbook digi i/o once again
 12. Midi and new G3s

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Date:    Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:00:55 -0800
From:    dudas 
Subject: Winter Nightmareland

Two years ago, after I had just moved into a new apartment in Paris, I had
a nightmare holiday season.  On xmas eve, after all the stores and shops
had closed for a LONG weekend, the lightbulb in my only lamp blew out.  So,
plenty of time to write music, but alas, no light.  I decided to get up
early on the 25th and make the most of the few winter daylight hours.
However, when I flushed the toilet in the morning, it broke, and kept
flushing and flushing and flushing. So I spent most of the morning trying
to fix it (which I eventually did, fortunately). Fun Fun Fun!!!

This year I has a similar experience.  Just after New years' day, my system
disk crashed, and I finally realized I haven't been making regular backups.
(Fun Fun Fun!!!)  Fortunately this was the smaller of the two disks, but
sadly, this was where much of my Max stuff lived!  I have managed to
recover quite a bit of what was on it (mostly December stuff), but
nonetheless, if anyone on the list has received any seemingly important
patches from me between September and December '98, please let me know.  (I
have backups of everything up to September.)

I am not looking forward to what will happen in two years.

-R

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Date:    Tue, 12 Jan 1999 07:46:18 +0000
From:    the hafler trio 
Subject: 

!n!t!all! zenzord

1 objekt ekr!t

>If this is too basic an answer, I apologize, but
>I assume you're aware of the fact that a font must exist on the
>destination computer, and that if you save a ptcher specifying
>a font which does not exist on the other system, that it can't
>display properly?  Or are you saying that saving it with
>Charcoal then does not display Charcoal on a machine which has
>access to that font?  I've never seen that behaviour...

as dav!d z!karell! po!ntd out max = ass!gnz fontz b! font nr

objekt 2 spec!f! fontz b! name = ecz!ztz ma!z !t !=
publ!k at d!sz t!me. re:leasz = vn t!me = opurtun

regard!ng stephen ka!z komment dzat objektz
hav 2 b rewr!t!n !t = !nkorrekt.

1 addtl objekt

>i usually enjoy your stuff, so, in case you're interested in
>making something (widely negotiable) for orf kunstradio, let me
>know
>http://orfkunstradio.thing.at
>(page sort of stinks, though)
>

adm!re ur kuraj monz!uer 4 u != aware dze komed! u = opnd urccelv up 4
ma!z. oke. je.akzept. je.akzept. sol++

evn ultra zneak rout!n ztokhauzen = haz mattr 2 obzerv !n antiorp rout!n

zttz

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Date:    Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:17:56 +0000
From:    david stevens 
Subject: Re: new G3 report

>  Alex Stahl wrote:

> So far, however, an installed  Korg 1212 card hangs startup as soon as the
> 1212I/O extension icon appears. I hope to try a MOTU 2408 soon. The Korg
> may be conflicting with the SCSI card or the video card, but since these
> machines have no built-in SCSI or video, it'd be rather difficult to find
> out!

Alex - you're not using OS8.1 are you? There was a conflict between certain
versions of that OS and the korg driver. It's fine with 8.5.

david

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Date:    Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:25:43 +0100
From:    Manuel poletti 
Subject: P.A.F.

About the P.A.F. (Phase-Aligned Formant) discussion, here is the
information that you can find at:
http://www.ircam.fr/produits/logiciels/log-autres/index-e.html

"PAF is a patented sound synthesis technology which may be applied to
speech and music. This technology, based on Phase Aligned Formants, differs
from the FOF synthesis used in Chant (Fonctions d'Ondes Formantiques) and
developed by the Analysis/synthesis team. PAF synthesis is more oriented
towards real-time applications.

APPLICATIONS

- concerts and real-time applications : the PAF technique has been
conceived for an optimised synthesis of instruments or voices controlled by
the computer.
- simulation and virtual reality.
- synthesisers and digital audio processors.

FEATURES

The PAF process allows the synthesis of a comb of harmonics, synchronised
in phase, with a variable fundamental frequency, filtered by a formant with
a triangular spectral response. The peak frequency and the bandwidth of
this formant are also variable.

>From this algorithm, several optimisations and approximations can be
implemented in order to lower the necessary processing power in real-time.
As with FOF synthesis, this method does not include an analysis process for
reproducing existing sounds; it must be adjusted and regulated either
intuitively or after creating analysis data elsewhere in order to obtain
the desired result.

The synchronous phase between partials allows a high quality of precision
and reproducibility. Because of its efficiency, multiple PAFs
may be used, thus allowing polyphonic real-time synthesis.

The PAF synthesis is used in real-time in conjunction with the score
following environment (Explode object) of Max/FTS."

Precise information about P.A.F. can be found in Miller Puckette's
publication (post-script format):
http://man104nfs.ucsd.edu/~mpuckett/Publications/jaes95.ps

P.A.F. is included in the Manoury Lib, wich was ported to MSP by Serge
Lemouton .You can find it inside the real time part of the last (december)
Ircam Forum CDrom.

There is currently no AS->Max object existing yet.In fact you can process
formant analysis within AS, and import the text file within Max to control
P.A.F.  or fof~ parameters, but therefore you will have to do it by hand or
write a patch.
There is currently no lpc object included within the lib, but you will find
formant~ inside the 'En Echo' folder.

-Manuel

Ircam Forum technical support
tel : (33) (0)1 44 78 16 05
email : forum-support@ircam.fr

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Date:    Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:27:23 -0500
From:    Greg Hall 
Subject: Re: New G3s

Well, the ironic thing is:  I had to buy MAX 3.0 6 months ago because I did
not have a CD drive in my old power book, and that was the last floppy
version.  I was lucky enough to find it, however.  Got a G3 powerbook a
month ago, and finally upgraded to 3.5.9.  THEN I had to buy a FLOPPY DRIVE
in order to authorize Max!@%!$@?! Get your authorizations together with
your software, guys!!
I'm afraid you'll have to buy a floppy drive, unless you want to wait 'til
they get authorizations on CD!  God Knows when that will be. Sorry!

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Date:    Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:47:16 -0600
From:    =cw4t7abs 
Subject: (char)coal    I've never seen that behaviour...

1 objekt ekr!t

>If this is too basic an answer, I apologize, but
>I assume you're aware of the fact that a font must exist on the
>destination computer, and that if you save a ptcher specifying
>a font which does not exist on the other system, that it can't
>display properly?  Or are you saying that saving it with
>Charcoal then does not display Charcoal on a machine which has
>access to that font?  I've never seen that behaviour...

as zom1 elsz po!ntd out max = ass!gnz fontz b! font nr

objekt 2 spec!f! fontz b! name = ecz!ztz ma!z !t !=
publ!k at d!sz t!me. re:leasz = vn t!me = opurtun

1 addtl objekt

>i usually enjoy your stuff, so, in case you're interested in
>making something (widely negotiable) for orf kunstradio, let me
>know
>http://orfkunstradio.thing.at
>(page sort of stinks, though)
>

adm!re ur kuraj monz!uer 4 u != aware dze komed! u = opnd urccelv up 4
ma!z. oke. je.akzept. je.akzept. sol++

evn ultra zneak rout!n ztokhauzen = haz mattr 2 obzerv !n antiorp rout!n

zttz

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Date:    Mon, 11 Jan 1999 21:43:42 -0600
From:    =cw4t7abs 
Subject: windows 1.95 : geburt e!ner !kk rout!n

http://m9ndfukc.com/propaganda on  v!ndoS  1.95

       http://users.skynet.be/sky91494/david/maajntfuk.jpg

\+\

http://m9ndfukc.com/propaganda on makintosh

       http://m9ndfukc.com/propaganda/m9ndfukc_propaganda.634.gif

       http://m9ndfukc.com/propaganda/m9ndfukc_propaganda.642.gif

       http://m9ndfukc.com/propaganda/m9ndfukc_propaganda.643.gif

-
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>ultra koel, ar joe selling dis toe arkitekts ?
>ivrieting wil kolleps ! =)

du b!zt 2 kute.
ivrieting ivrieting

>>vzump
>
>
>virrie reetroo, virrie luvlie =)

dvd z!ntacz = virrie luvlie
!f ds!d 2 zel !t w!ll bu! !t !m!d!tl!
= virrie virrie luvlie++

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Date:    Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:25:46 -0600
From:    =cw4t7abs 
Subject: hazt du ke!n geld +?

_Eine Sprache fu"r die Wissenschaft_. Edited by Ulrich Becker and Fritz
Wollenberg. Berlin: Gesellschaft fu"r Interlinguistik, 1998. 120 p. 30 cm.
In German. Contributions and matrials from an interlinguistic colloquium
about Wilhelm Ostwald (1996), including a selection from his
correspondence. 34.50 guilders.

_Soziokulturelle Aspekte von Plansprachen_. Edited by Ulrich Becker.
Berlin: Gesellschaft fu"r Interlinguistik, 1998. 60 p. 30 cm. In German.
Acts of the seventh conference of the Society for Interlinguistics (GIL),
on the sociocultural aspects of planned languages. 18.60 guilders.

_Traktatu d' un Linguaz' universale_. Rasmus Kristian Rask (1787-1832).
Published and commented by Alicja Sakaguchi. Translated into German from
the original Danish by Ingeborg Zint, into Esperanto by Leif Kristensen.
Frankfurt: Peter Lang GmbH, 1996. 190 p. 21 cm. 96.00 guilders.

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Date:    Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:58:12 -0500
From:    Frederic Murray 
Subject: Some MIDI solutions for new G3 Mac and iMac

Hello Maxers,

here is some MIDI solutions (available soon...) for new G3 Mac and iMac.

There is a driver for mac in beta version for the USB MIDI SMPU64 64
of Roland. Adresse for driver :
http://www.rolandcorp.com/japan/lib/download/SMPU64USBmacBt1.html
It's in japanese...

Adress for info on SMPU64 64 :
http://www.edirol.com/music_equipment/usb_audio_products/mpu64.html

Than, a guy at Midiman (midiman.net) send me this info :
He sais it will be available 1/31/99

Suggested Retail: $129.95
For Immediate Release
MIDIMAN is proud to announce the MIDISPORT 2x2=81 - multi-port MIDI
interface
for USB-equipped PC and Apple computers.
Arcadia, CA MIDIMAN is proud to announce the MIDISPORT 2x2=81. MIDISPORT 2x2
is a multi-port MIDI interface for USB-equipped
PC and Apple computers. MIDISPORT's high-speed USB (Universal Serial Bus)
connection to the computer assures
reliable, immediate MIDI transfers. Installation is a breeze -- no computer
disassembly, no jumpers to set, no I/O Addresses,
IRQ's or DMA channels to configure! Expansion is just as easy -- just plug
in additional MIDISPORT units for more MIDI ports.
Features:
=80 2-in 2-out MIDI Interface (32x32 MIDI channels).
=80 High-speed connection to USB-equipped PC or Apple computers.
=80 MIDI-activity indicators for each port.
=80 Self-powered -- requires no external power supply.
=80 "MIDI Thru" pushbutton allows you to play to your gear even when your
computer is turned off -- without having to disconnect
cables.
=80 Mac OS compatible (via updates in early 1999). **(what this mean???)**
=80 Windows 98 compatible -- true Plug-and-Play installation requires no
IRQ,
I/O Address or DMA channel setup.
=80 Extremely compact size.
=80 Lifetime Warranty.

Finally, there is Opcode. I have no detail on that.

Frederic Murray
Etudiant en musique
Universite Laval
aae052@agora.ulaval.ca

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Date:    Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:31:10 -0500
From:    Stephen Kay 
Subject: Handling fonts in Max

>as dav!d z!karell! po!ntd out max =3D ass!gnz fontz b! font nr

Wrong.  Certain *max objects* assign font by number.  MegaMAX
objects do not.  MegaMAX objects are part of the subset of
Max objects.  Ergo, Max does not assign font by number.

>regard!ng stephen ka!z komment dzat objektz
>hav 2 b rewr!t!n !t =3D !nkorrekt.

it =3D extremely correct.
But once again, all you do is post statements with no real
explanation.

By the way, thanks again for the other 200 or so lines of
complete garbage and meaningless drivel today.

Stephen Kay

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Date:    Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:21:51 -0700
From:    Alex Stahl 
Subject: Re: New G3s

The floppy drives you can buy for the new G3 tower machines will not work
with Max copy protection.
The sole proven workaround I know of so far is to attach a SCSI drive which
has been authorized on another machine. Note SCSI is an option on the new
systems.

At 6:27 AM -0700 1/12/99, Greg Hall wrote:
>Well, the ironic thing is:  I had to buy MAX 3.0 6 months ago because I did
>not have a CD drive in my old power book, and that was the last floppy
>version.  I was lucky enough to find it, however.  Got a G3 powerbook a
>month ago, and finally upgraded to 3.5.9.  THEN I had to buy a FLOPPY DRIVE
>in order to authorize Max!@%!$@?! Get your authorizations together with
>your software, guys!!
>I'm afraid you'll have to buy a floppy drive, unless you want to wait 'til
>they get authorizations on CD!  God Knows when that will be. Sorry!
>
>Email to MAX should now be sent to MAX@lists.mcgill.ca
>LISTSERV commands should be sent to listserv@lists.mcgill.ca
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Date:    Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:27:00 -0700
From:    Alex Stahl 
Subject: Re: new G3 report

>Alex - you're not using OS8.1 are you? There was a conflict between certain
>versions of that OS and the korg driver. It's fine with 8.5.

Thanks for the sug but the new machines ship with 8.5.1. Korg is being very
helpful but still no luck with a 1212 in a new G3. But I bought spare light
bulbs last night so I can keep trying...

-Alex Stahl

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Date:    Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:49:04 -0500
From:    Christopher Murtagh 
Subject: Re: new G3 report

On Sun, 10 Jan 1999, Alex Stahl wrote:
>
> So far, however, an installed  Korg 1212 card hangs startup as soon as the
> 1212I/O extension icon appears. I hope to try a MOTU 2408 soon. The Korg

If you want it tested with the 2408, simply send me one of those nifty
400Mhz towers, and I'll test it for you (for free even!). :)

Forever jealous,

Chris

Oh yeah, I would need a newer version of MAX and MSP too. :)

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Date:    Tue, 12 Jan 1999 23:40:56 +0100
From:    Oliver Schweitzer 
Subject: Powerbook digi i/o once again

Hello,

with the availibility of the Opcode DATPort and various
PC-Card-USB-adaptors (www.macally.com, www.silicom.co.il,
www.adstech.com), in two cases "mac-drivers soon", who would dare to
speculate about the combination with MAX/MSP?

Me dont know enough about pumping audio through different drivers.

But that _could_ be a viable solution for iMAc/PB G3 owners.

Yours,

OS

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Date:    Tue, 12 Jan 1999 20:42:07 -0500
From:    Bob Gluck 
Subject: Midi and new G3s

>The Griffin card ( http://www.griffintechnology.com ) appears to go into
>the iMac slot, i.e. won't work with a G3. I don't think there's any way
>to get MIDI on a new G3 :-(

When I spoke with Apple sales about the new G3s, last night, they told me
that MIDI can be sent and received via a USB-serial adapter (which are
pretty inexpensive). Were they misinformed on this?

As I am considered picking up one of these computers, I, too, obviously
share concerns about the Pace authorization system. Has there been any
dialog with Opcode on this?

Bob

http://members.aol.com/Rjgluck
http://raven.dartmouth.edu/~njma/

"Creation takes place in bottlenecks... A creator who isn't grabbed around
the throat by a set of impossibilities is no creator. A creator's someone
who creates their own impossibilities, and thereby creates
possibilities..." Gilles Deleuze

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Date:    Tue, 12 Jan 1999 23:12:00 -0500
From:    Nicholas Longo <71477.2332@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject: new G3 report

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