Subject: MAX Digest - 10 Jan 1999 to 11 Jan 1999 (#1999-11)
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Topics of the day:

  1. New G3s (2)
  2. font handling in Max (4)
  3. new G3 report
  4. new G3's

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Date:    Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:27:50 +1100
From:    A Scott 
Subject: Re: New G3s

Just wondering,

how does one authorise Max on the G3 towers or iMac for that matter?
without a floppy drive.

Ash

Ashley Scott
Studio Manager,
Sydney Conservatorium of Music,
University of Sydney
109 Pitt St.
Sydney, NSW 2000
ph. 61 2 92303766
fax 61 2 9230 3747
ascott@mail.usyd.edu.au

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Date:    Mon, 11 Jan 1999 01:37:12 -0500
From:    Marcel Wierckx 
Subject: Re: font handling in Max

Yep, this is indeed too basic an answer but no apology is necessary. I've
limited myself to using fonts that are installed with the system software
for precisely that reason.

This behaviour has been confirmed by someone else, who says that it has to
do with the fact that Max doesn't keep track of fonts by name but by some
other scheme (?). I've tested my app on several different Macs at McGill and
the problem indeed occurs.

Marcel Wierckx

>If this is too basic an answer, I apologize, but
>I assume you're aware of the fact that a font must exist on the
>destination computer, and that if you save a ptcher specifying
>a font which does not exist on the other system, that it can't
>display properly?  Or are you saying that saving it with
>Charcoal then does not display Charcoal on a machine which has
>access to that font?  I've never seen that behaviour...
>
>Stephen Kay
>

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Date:    Sun, 10 Jan 1999 22:41:18 -0800
From:    Alex Stahl 
Subject: new G3 report

To answer my own question, yes indeed, MSP appears to run swell on the
just-released "Yosemite" G3 machines. 199 oscillators on a 400MHz model,
using the same simple test patch as used to rate other machines on the
cycling74 web site. Not bad!

So far, however, an installed  Korg 1212 card hangs startup as soon as the
1212I/O extension icon appears. I hope to try a MOTU 2408 soon. The Korg
may be conflicting with the SCSI card or the video card, but since these
machines have no built-in SCSI or video, it'd be rather difficult to find
out!

I saw Yamaha's mLan demo at Macworld, featuring 8 channels of audio playing
out over the built-in 1394 port to a prototype 1394 card in a Yamaha 03D
mixer. That was neat, but the Yamaha guy said it's a year or two from being
a product line.

Max authorization is tricky, since like an iMac there is no floppy drive. I
didn't have much luck with an Imation Superdrive either. I'll take this up
with Opcode soon, but in the meantime I authorized a Jaz cartridge on
another machine, then put that cartridge in a drive connected to the new
G3. Max will run off the fast internal drive as long as the Jaz is mounted
at launch. By the way, Max/MSP launches in about 5 seconds!

Authorizing MSP was no problem thanks to its sensible challenge/response
approach.

I haven't done latency tests yet.

-Alex Stahl

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Date:    Mon, 11 Jan 1999 01:58:53 -0500
From:    Jeff Mann 
Subject: Re: new G3's

> From:    Alex Stahl 
>... according to an Opcode rep at Macworld, you can use
> a MIDI interface if you add a Griffin (sp?) serial card.

The Griffin card ( http://www.griffintechnology.com ) appears to go into
the iMac slot, i.e. won't work with a G3. I don't think there's any way
to get MIDI on a new G3 :-(

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Date:    Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:27:42 +0100
From:    Peter Swinnen 
Subject: Re: font handling in Max

Hi all,

Marcel Wierckx wrote
>
>Curious thing I've discovered in Max, I'll have a message box or menu
object=
> set to use a specific font (in this case Charcoal), yet when I compile an=
> app and run it on different machines all different kinds of fonts turn up=
> (often Arial or Times).

Marcel, in fact, this has to do with the fact that Max stores fonts by
their numbers, and not by their names. When you install a font into your
system folder, it gets a unique ID number, which can be different from
one computer to another, especially for non Mac system fonts (which have
reserved ID numbers). As a workaround you could try to include the
necessary fonts (with the right ID numbers) within the resource fork of
your standalone app (consult the "Inside ResEdit" for a complete
description of how to accomplish this).

Hope this helps,

Regards,

Peter Swinnen
http://www.ping.be/peterswinnen/
mailto:peter.swinnen@ping.be

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Date:    Mon, 11 Jan 1999 09:53:23 -0500
From:    Stephen Kay 
Subject: Re: font handling in Max

>>Marcel Wierckx wrote
>>
>>Curious thing I've discovered in Max, I'll have a message box or menu
object=3D
>> set to use a specific font (in this case Charcoal), yet when I compile=

an=3D
>> app and run it on different machines all different kinds of fonts turn=

up=3D
>> (often Arial or Times).

Peter Swinnen:
>Marcel, in fact, this has to do with the fact that Max stores fonts by
>their numbers, and not by their names. When you install a font into your=

>system folder, it gets a unique ID number, which can be different from
>one computer to another, especially for non Mac system fonts (which have=

>reserved ID numbers).

I'd just like to add that it's not "Max" that stores fonts by their
numbers.  It's the menu object, the numbox object, etc.  For example,
all of the MegaMAX objects that use text store the font by name, so
theoretically this problem should never happen with them.  So it's
the objects themselves that make the decision.  Those objects that
use text in Max could be rewritten to store the font name, and then
use that instead of the ID.  Forwards compatability could be maintained
in that if the font name was not present in the max patcher file, the
ID would be used instead.  Backwards compatability might generate a
few error messages, similar to using the thispatcher "window"
messages of 3.5.x with 3.0.

>As a workaround you could try to include the
>necessary fonts (with the right ID numbers) within the resource fork of
>your standalone app (consult the "Inside ResEdit" for a complete
>description of how to accomplish this).

I don't think this would work, because even having fonts inside the
resource fork of your application doesn't do anything to inform the
system that they are available.  For example, when you install Opcode's
Vision, the installer places the font "Sonata" inside the system folder
where it needs to be.  Your application would have to provide a
similar installer that puts desired fonts in the system folder, or
at least you would have to instruct users to do so.

Stephen Kay
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Date:    Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:05:23 +0100
From:    Oeivind Idsoe 
Subject: Re: New G3s

> >Has anyone tried MSP, in particular any audio cards such as the Korg 1212
> >or MOTU 2408, with the new Apple G3 towers?
> >Alex Stahl
>
> Haven't used a tower version, but my G3-266 desktop with MAX/msp and
> Korg card is holding up well after several flights and a few thousand
> miles in my VW van.

> Lawrence

I think you two are talking about two different machines. Lawrence is
obviously
referring to the "old" G3s, while the Alex-G3 is the new
light-up-anything-in-blue machines with firewire et al.

But Alex: I don't think anyone could try out a normal version of Max/MSP,
since
the new Macs neither have a floppy disk, nor an external floppy solution
which
makes Pace happy (come to think of it: nothing makes Pace happy, except
perhaps a
miserable user) . You can always try a krak, however, but a few vitals would
probably still be missing.

(BTW, Lawrence: Solar Winds is excellent)

/Øivind/

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Date:    Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:59:26 -0500
From:    Michael Gurevich 
Subject: font handling in Max

Greetings,

I can't offer any solution to Marcel's problem, but I can vouch for it.
Practically the same thing happened to me awhile back, the easy solution at
the time was to use a different font; some worked, some didn't. I seem to
recall that it wasn't even necessarily a problem from machine to machine,
but even when opening the same app on the machine it was created, the font
face would change. I don't recall anyone at the time offering an
explanation, but I didn't post it to this list.
Maybe its only a McGill thing...

later.

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