Subject: MAX Digest - 7 Jan 1999 to 8 Jan 1999 (#1999-9)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 00:00:03 -0500
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Topics of the day:

  1. new G3's
  2. MAX Digest - 6 Jan 1999 to 7 Jan 1999 (#1999-8) (2)
  3. PAF
  5. CD grabbers
  6. midiparse/midiformat
  7. Yes I'm alive...barely :-)
  8. greenmusic

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Date:    Thu, 7 Jan 1999 22:35:46 -0800
From:    Alex Stahl 
Subject: new G3's

Has anyone tried MSP, in particular any audio cards such as the Korg 1212
or MOTU 2408, with the new Apple G3 towers?  The price/performance ratio
looks pretty good, plus you get industrial design that suggests "emergency
medical cryogenic transport" as much as "fast multimedia workstation".
I'll bet that with a stethoscope and a little dry ice you could take one of
these on tour, and get on any flight you want.

any test results appreciated,
Alex Stahl

p.s. despite the lack of traditional Mac serial ports (there is "just" USB,
1394 and ADB built-in), according to an Opcode rep at Macworld, you can use
a MIDI interface if you add a Griffin (sp?) serial card. Keyspan serial
cards do not support MIDI interfaces, but while I'm on the subject, I have
sucessfully used a Keyspan SX card in a 9600 for serial communication
between Max and a Basic Stamp.

By the way, Keyspan also introduced a serial card which has
consumer-electronics compatible IR outputs, for emulating the remote
controls on VCR's, disc players and so forth. The driver software is
supposedly identical to the Keyspan SX, which suggests that it might also
work with the Max serial object.


Date:    Fri, 8 Jan 1999 02:45:35 EST
From:    RBMengMail@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 6 Jan 1999 to 7 Jan 1999 (#1999-8)

In a message dated 1/8/99 5:04:39 AM, you wrote:


60 lines MaxMatter     (18%)
270 lines KrapMatter  (82%)

To paraphrase another....

Here I sit, in the smallest room of my house,
with another KrapMatter manifesto before me.
Soon, it will be behind me.


Date:    Fri, 8 Jan 1999 14:43:54 +0100
From:    Vincent Puig 
Subject: PAF

>Date:    Thu, 7 Jan 1999 13:23:34 +0000
>From:    Neville John Cross 
>Subject: P.A.F?
>Does anyone use  Puckette\Schnell's  realtime 'P.A.F.' patches for MAX\FTS
>on an ISPW or SGI etc.
>I've never had the chance to try this and I'd like to know:
>1)Can P.A.F. 'sample' live instruments\voices _from_
>live performance situations and re-synthesize the results
>in realtime?
>2)P.A.F. doesn't include an analysis process and must use data created from
>(or just by intuition).  What program and type\format of analysis data is
>for this analysis file?
>3)If P.A.F. could be  somehow ported to the MAX\MSP platform would there be
>advantages for MSP?
>Best Wishes,

PAF is just a synthesis algorythm and you need to make a formant analysis
with a program such as AudioSculpt (in non real time) or object like LPC
and formant (in realtime) for instance. PAF (Ircam patent) and FOF (a
similar formant synthesis method by Xavier Rodet) for MSP and jMax are both
part of the Forum Ircam distribution ( to get the forum
CD). LPC and formant objects are also available for MSP but needs some
documentation. An extensive presentation of PAF is also available from
Miller Puckette pages.

Vincent Puig
1 place Igor Stravinsky
75004 Paris
Tel: 01 44 78 49 59
Fax: 01 44 78 15 40
email :


Date:    Fri, 8 Jan 1999 07:51:45 -0600
From:    =cw4t7abs 

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>Date: Thu, 7 Jan 99 10:43:49 +0100
>From: FraKtus 
>Subject: Acquisition Board for the new G3 ?
>My company is working on a real-time video sampler
>and we are extensively
>using the built in video acquisition of the 8500-8600 models.
>Starting with the first G3 the built-in video has becoming unsusable for
>us (bad quality).
>Now that there is no AV anymore what is the solution for peoples that
>need to work on a real-time video stream like our company ?
>I know that sending a full video stream trough a 33 PCI slot is difficult
>but we could already be happy with a 320*240 resolution !
>Any ideas ?
>PS : I have already used MIRO cards but they don't support DMA
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Date:    Fri, 8 Jan 1999 12:55:25 -0500
From:    Stephen Kay 
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 6 Jan 1999 to 7 Jan 1999 (#1999-8)

>In a message dated 1/8/99 5:04:39 AM, you wrote:


>60 lines MaxMatter     (18%)
>270 lines KrapMatter  (82%)

Ah yes, *now* I remember why I lost my head...

Stephen Kay


Date:    Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:06:39 EST
From:    JohnBrit@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: CD grabbers

In a message dated 1/7/99 21:07:24, you wrote:

CD Studio from Gallery Software:

will batch transfer audio tracks from audio CD and offers a number
powerful and useful audio file processing features. Their stuff can
be a little pricey though.

Toast Audio extractor will also batch transfer but is not nearly as
comprehensive a tool as the Gallery CD studio.

You might also want to look at Disc to Disk from Optical Media International


Date:    Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:14:25 -0800
From:    Peter Nyboer 
Subject: midiparse/midiformat

I have witnessed something odd...I have a sequence of only polypressure
and channel data coming out of SeqPlayer.  Connected to midiout, it does
everything it's supposed to.  However, I'd like to be able to change the
note number of the polypressure data on the fly, so I midiparsed the output
of SeqPlayer, put in the necessary + object, packed things up, and
connected to midiformat -> midiout.  Now, the sequence doesn't do what it's
supposed to do (it's hard to say exactly what it does, let's just say it
doens't do what it's supposed to....).  So, after much tinkering, I did the
obvious: I connected
SeqPlayer -> midiparse -> midiformat -> midiout,
which has the result of NOT WORKING.  I connected each out of midiparse to
the corresponding in of midiformat, so nothing should have been lost.  Any
I tried comparing the print output from the SeqPlayer output to the
midiformat output, and it looks the same (though I wasn't totally precise
in my examination, the numbers looked to be in the right order).



Peter Nyboer
"Now, I not some guru or Dog or anything"


Date:    Fri, 8 Jan 1999 14:09:51 -0500
From:    Chris Murtagh 
Subject: Yes I'm alive...barely :-)

Greetings Maxers,

To the many people who have emailed me questions galore re: MAX CD, and
antiorp suggestions, info and translations, sorry for the delays in
responses. I'm currently working on 2 web contracts, my regular day job
(Zzzz) and an audio gig for a TV show (as well as trying to organize an
antiorp solution), so my time has been a bit used up. Hopefully I will get
back to a sane level of activity very soon, and I will be able to answer
all my emails. Once again, sorry.



Christopher Murtagh
MAX listserv owner


Date:    Fri, 8 Jan 1999 20:30:55 -0500
From:    Otto Henry 
Subject: greenmusic


One of my Max application-compositions has been accepted for the amug CD
list, if you're interested you can download it at

Hope I got that right!

This is a stand-alone algorithmic music and graphics piece with
self-simular picts and audio samples taken from my synthesizers.

Sorry it is so large, about 1.2megs, the graphics take up a lot of memory!

Best wishes to all, Otto


End of MAX Digest - 7 Jan 1999 to 8 Jan 1999 (#1999-9)