Subject: MAX Digest - 4 Jan 1999 to 5 Jan 1999 (#1999-6)
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There are 15 messages totalling 641 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Power Glove Interface
  2. Message from Internet
  3. new-cd-object / driver hassles?
  4. new-cd-object / driver hassles? / the very solution
  5. sfplay~
  6. HyperControl / Andreas Weixler
  7. Opcode service: a counter-opinion (3)
  8. How about a max authorization FAQ?
  9. MAX Digest - 11 Dec 1998 to 12 Dec 1998 (#1998-97)
 10. Oops - misdirected post!
 11. CD to audiofile (was Re: new-cd-object / driver hassles?)
 12. 
 13. when pr!vat bekums publ!k

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Date:    Tue, 5 Jan 1999 00:35:30 -0500
From:    Ken Gregory 
Subject: Re: Power Glove Interface

Hello Martin

Some good info about using Max with the Power Glove is available in the
Unsupported Objects/Singer Library 1/Glove Demos folder included on the Max
CD-ROM.

I've had pretty good luck getting the GoldBrick, Power Glove, Max combo
working.
I can't give up my Gold Brick though. I'll try and field any specific
questions you have.

Good Luck!
Cheers,
ken

>
>Hello,
>Does anyone know where I might locate a Goldbrick interface for the
>Power Glove? I'd also be interested in any resources (web sites, users)
>where I could get info on power glove interfacing with MAX. Thanks,
>Martin

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Date:    Tue, 5 Jan 1999 00:54:24 -0500
From:    Stephen Kay 
Subject: Message from Internet

>From: =3Dcw4t7abs 
>To: MAX@LISTS.MCGILL.CA

>Archive To Be Deleted!
>Delete@autonomous.org

>Autonomous archival announcement follows.

>lengthy garbage [snip]...

loserZ
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I vote to boot.

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Date:    Tue, 5 Jan 1999 08:50:10 +0200
From:    Trond Lossius 
Subject: Re: new-cd-object / driver hassles?

Georg hajdu wrote:

> Don't forget that MSP actually (and unfortunately) receives analog input
from the CD
> player.

There are several (free) applications available that can convert CD tracks
to
soundfiles. For example HyperEngine can be downloaded from

http://www.arboretum.com/

Trond L.

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Date:    Tue, 5 Jan 1999 10:14:13 +0100
From:    "Dr. Karlheinz Essl" 
Subject: Re: new-cd-object / driver hassles? / the very solution

Dear MAXers!

Thank you for all private and public replies to my request which actually
helped a lot; now I can play CD's directly from MAX - unfortunately only
from the analog input of the CD-drive as Georg Hajdu pointed out... Anyway,
there might be another solution in the next future if I interpret a remark
of our beloved wizzard David Z. correctly.

Let me summarize what you have to do in order to play an audio CD from the
built-in ATAPI drive within the MSP environment:

1) Get the updated cd object from http://www.cycling74.com
2) Use an adc~ (and, of course, and dac~) in your patch. You don't have to
connect anything to the adc~, BTW. Just send it a "start" message or start
the dac~.
3) Double-click on the dac~ object in order to access the DSP Status
Window. Here you have to select something like "expansion bay" or "Audio
PC-card" (this works for me) as the sound input source.
4) And off you go...

BTW - due to the fact that only the analog output of the CD is used (which
has to be converted to the digital domain and reconverted into an anolog
stream) the overall performance suffers, naturally. So I am happyly waiting
for an update which allows one to access the CD drive's digital output.

Again, thanks for all your comments and advices!
   --- Karlheinz

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Date:    Tue, 5 Jan 1999 10:23:42 +0100
From:    "Dr. Karlheinz Essl" 
Subject: Re: sfplay~

Joachim Gossmann  wrote:

> every time I use more than about six sfplay~ objects at once, the playback
> starts to drop-out or produce "cycling hangs" (a very small portion of
> the audio is repeated over and over for some time, but anyway they sound
> shorter than the size of the double-buffer the Sound Manager uses for
> playing back).
> I am playing back on a PowerPC 7500 with Audiomedia III.
> The CPU-load is not over 70%, so what can be the mistake?

Playing six sndfiles (mono or stereo, at which sampling rate?) at the same
time can really hit the physical limits of a hard disk, especially if it is
defragmented and slow.

Anyway, it might help to defragment the hard disk (be careful if you run
Mac OS 8.1 with the HFS+ and you have an old version of Norton Utilities -
it will mercilessly destroy your drive!!!); a faster drive could also
enhance the performances. There will also be a physical limitation - one
cannot overexicte the bow...

Hope that helps,

   Dr. Karlheinz Essl - Composer
   Vienna / Austria
   Studio for Advanced Music & Media Technology
   http://www.essl.at/

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Date:    Tue, 5 Jan 1999 10:28:47 +0100
From:    "Dr. Karlheinz Essl" 
Subject: Re: HyperControl / Andreas Weixler

Dear MAXers!

The new email address of Andreas Weixler (the author of HyperControl) is:

        mailto:aweixler@sime.com

Anyone interested in his work might contact him privately - I am not sure
whether he reads the MAX-l at the very moment.

Cheers,

   Dr. Karlheinz Essl - Composer
   Vienna / Austria
   Studio for Advanced Music & Media Technology
   http://www.essl.at/

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Date:    Tue, 5 Jan 1999 14:38:15 +0100
From:    Guy Van Belle 
Subject: Re: Opcode service: a counter-opinion

> frightening. Waiting EIGHT months for a new key disk!? That's truly
> astonishing!
Well - happy new year ! Last time I could run max & msp was August 98,
after my keydisk crashed completely! My mac G3 would not recognize it
anymore and it is sad to be stuck with MaxPlay ...
I asked for a replacement - I am living in Belgium - and Opcode only sends
replacement disks to US residents. I provided an address in NY. Then no
news anymore till November, and after a couple of mails they couldn't find
my registration anymore. I have been upgrading to any new Max release, but
apparently I was only in the database as 2.5 owner. Strange - but that can
also be blamed on distributor - manufacturer relationships...
Then I got a reply to contact my area dealer and ... they had a
replacement disk in stock! So jumped in the car and drove  for an hour and
- well everything is solved again! But I had to pay 1500 Belgian Franks,
which is approx. US$ 43!

> And it's also truly unlike the service I've received. When I recently
> called Opcode to request a new key disk that was compatible with
> MacOS 8.x, they mailed it to me free of charge and I received it in
> less than one calendar week.
You lucky US citizen!

> I suspect that the eight-month wait and US$43 charge that this poor
> person was subjected to has much to do with the fact that he lives in
> Luxembourg. There have already been numerous accounts of poor
That is right, because I have 2 licences (Young Farmers Claim Future is 2
wetware!) and now we have to wait till after version 4.1 to get the
replacement disk for the other 3.5.9 version.

> representation and distribution of Opcode products in Europe. This
> isn't good news, of course, but it is a separate issue. For what it's
I don't think this is a separate issue. Listen, if you set up a global
distribution you should be able to provide global support. I purchase a
lot of software and this is exceptional! OK, if Opcode thinks of Max as a
side product, still they have to take their customers seriously, they pay!
I wonder how the (international) support is for the other Opcode software.
Most of the upgrading and problem solving for other software I have is
done by the us companies themselves, they simply ship it! No problem!
And it doesn't really harm local dealers anyway!

Now, I am not really blaming specific persons, just that the
distribution and support system they set up and the keydisk stuff is a
nuisance!
I got very helpful mail from certain people from within Opcode
who forwarded and helped where they could. But I think it is important
they got the message that something for us is not working!

Guy

http://come.to/yfcf
http://fly.to/dbonanzah

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Date:    Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:21:38 +0100
From:    Roby Steinmetzer 
Subject: Re: Opcode service: a counter-opinion

Adam Schabtach  wrote:
>And it's also truly unlike the service I've received. When I recently
>called Opcode to request a new key disk that was compatible with
>MacOS 8.x, they mailed it to me free of charge and I received it in
>less than one calendar week.

That's more or less what I expected too...

>I suspect that the eight-month wait and US$43 charge that this poor
>person was subjected to has much to do with the fact that he lives in
>Luxembourg.

I don't see the the point.
It's absolutely possible to send some snail-mail from the US to Luxembourg
in one week.
After all we have an airport here.
And don't forget that we are a fine Nato partner for 50 years, so no reason
for not exporting some powerful US technology to Luxembourg ;-)

And  wrote:
>Now, I am not really blaming specific persons, just that the
>distribution and support system they set up and the keydisk stuff is a
>nuisance!

I completely agree with this.
By the way, Guy has the same distributor (for Benelux) than I.

And Roland Cahen & Ruth Sefton-Green  wrote:
>WE ALL HAVE ENOUGH OF KEY DISK PROBLEMS !

Yeah.

Roby Steinmetzer
Luxembourg, Europe

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Date:    Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:57:50 -0500
From:    Nicholas Longo <71477.2332@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject: Re: Opcode service: a counter-opinion

<
Subject: How about a max authorization FAQ?

I support the idea of a mass campaign of whining to PACE
and Opcode, but in addition I think the Max community would
benefit enormously from some sort of FAQ on all the known
"gotchas" and ways to lose installs.

For example, here at CNMAT we have about a dozen macs running
Max, and we learned the hard way that if you want to de-authorize
a hard drive you have to use the exact same key disk as the one
you authorized from.  So now whenever we do an authorization we
write the name of the Mac on the floppy we used.

Another example is this little tidbit I saved from Richard Dudas:
>I was just told that Max 3.5 CAN indeed be installed under
>System 8 if you insert the master diskette in the drive BEFORE
>you run the installer.

I never developed a complete model of the "old-style" versus
"new-style" authorization scheme, i.e., the difference between
the "3.5" key disks and the "3.5.8" key disks.  I do remember
that it both schemes will work with Max 3.5.8, but not
necessarily under OS8, And that the later versions of Max (e.g.,
3.5.9-7) only work with the new-style authorizations.

There are probably dozens of little tricks like this, and if we
had a comprehensive list of them we could learn from each others'
mistakes.

I looked on http://node.net/MAX/, the "Unauthorized Max FAQ", but
didn't see anything on this.

How about it?  Anybody want to take this on?

-Matt

p.s. There's also a terminology question, since a lot of people
call authorizations "installs", as in "I lost an install".

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Date:    Tue, 5 Jan 1999 14:08:16 -0500
From:    Eric Singer 
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 11 Dec 1998 to 12 Dec 1998 (#1998-97)

Hi Rick,

What's new?  I see from your post that you're alive and well and working on
a Max project.  Are you still on sabatical?

Our wedding and reception went wonderfully.  We were disappointed that you
and Susan couldn't be there.  All else is well.  My band is shopping for a
label deal.  I'm working on my own projects - music and robotics stuff.  I
hope to hear from you soon.

Eric

>Could someone share with me clear and simple patches which handle the
>following:
>
>1.  NRPN Control of an XG or GS Box such as a Yamaha MU80 or Roland SC88.
>2.  Bank Select via Controller 0 & 32 as in the Yamaha MU80.
>
>==================
>Dr. Richard Boulanger
>Professor - Music Synthesis Department
>Berklee College of Music
>1140 Boylston Street  - Boston, MA  02215-3693
>Office Phone: (617) 747-2485   Office Fax: (617) 536-2257
>==========================================
>Email: radiobaton@earthlink.net
>URL: http://home.earthlink.net/~radiobaton/
>==========================================
>
>Email to MAX should now be sent to MAX@lists.mcgill.ca
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Date:    Tue, 5 Jan 1999 16:45:57 -0500
From:    Eric Singer 
Subject: Oops - misdirected post!

Obviously, I misdirected my last post, which was not intended for the list
- please ignore.

Eric

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Date:    Tue, 5 Jan 1999 17:01:25 -0500
From:    David Crandall 
Subject: CD to audiofile (was Re: new-cd-object / driver hassles?)

On Tue, 5 Jan 1999, Trond Lossius wrote:

> There are several (free) applications available that can convert CD tracks
to
> soundfiles. For example HyperEngine can be downloaded from
>
> http://www.arboretum.com/

Sorry for being slightly offtopic, but in case anyone knows: are there
apps that are optimized for grabbing CD-audio tracks (as files) quickly
into a number of different sound files?  I've done this in SoundEdit, Peak
and Pro Tools, where it takes several steps for each file.  The
application in this case is quickly grabbing a whole folder full of SFX
files from CD for sound design projects.

tia,

dc

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Date:    Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:40:30 -0600
From:    =cw4t7abs 
Subject: 

>X-From_: sp@web.fm  Mon Jan  4 05:23:18 1999
>Mime-Version: 1.0
>X-Sender: sp@snudd.sil.at
>Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:22:46 +0100
>To: antiorp@tezcat.com (=cw4t7abs)
>From: SNUDD 
>Subject: < rejektd or !gnord >
>Cc: fm@web.fm
>
>s.g. Hr. Antiorp,

korporat fasc!zt

>seams like u "rejektd or !gnord" our request.

korporat fasc!zt

>thats ok, but why do u post all this to a public mailinglist?

korporat fasc!zt

>and why do u say:
>
>"w!ll rezpond !n approx 1-2 weekx.
>ultra okkup!ed at dze moment.
>!f u = hav deta!lz on dze projekt w!ll
>ass!zt !n dze des!j!on."

korporat fasc!zt

>and then send out a mail 1 week later [to a public list - not to us] where
>u say:

korporat fasc!zt

>"
>>-- !n ~ 0+6 monthz =3Dcw4t7abs  =3D  rejektd or !gnord
>> offr 2 kontr!bute   0+_2     farmers manual
>"
>
>just wondering about your behavior - quite unsensitively and bitchie.. :-(

fm = korporat fasc!ztz                             !nkorrekt ke!verd
                                                   [shall b addreszd
shortl!]

>we wanted u to invite u because we thought u are a nice and good one but u

ou! ma!z =cw4t7abs != korporat fasc!zt to!

>we wanted u to invite u because we thought u are a nice and good one but u

0+9. az all konglomerat zlavez
du = rekru!t!ng addtl to! zlavez 2 konztrukt dze konglomerat
=cw4t7abs != korporat fasc!zt to!

>just show up with a fucking bad behavior.

luvl! vokab !nkompetent korporat fasc!zt [shall b addreszd shortl!]

> in this case it was a bit unkool
>for me/us and not comprehensibly at all.

due 2 du = !nkompetent korporat fasc!zt

>i would love to get a statement from u to get it sorted and i really would
>prefer if u NOT post this to public lists, possible?

korporat fasc!ztz = publ!kall! zmkd

>in erwartung einer antwort verbleiben wir mit freundlichen gruessen,
>../snurk

korporat fasc!zt d!alogue

> ||
> ||                                 - -  - -

+ beg ov dze end 0+4 all korporat fasc!ztz - hensz fm
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Date:    Tue, 5 Jan 1999 23:28:19 -0500
From:    Stephen Kay 
Subject: when pr!vat bekums publ!k

Since it's apparently OK for antiorp to post private e-mail of
other people to a public list, I thought some of you might enjoy
this private e-mail of antiorp's (from some months ago).

For those of you new members who don't know, I *sell* a collection
of Max objects known as the MegaMax collection.  Since antiorp
just posted another manifesto regarding farmer's manual =

indicating "! am not a kap!talist" this exchange is especially
touching.

antiorp:

>hello
>and thank you for the
>dispose example.

>will you accept krop3rom cdz for
>the megamax collection +?
>if answer is positive please specify number.

>bzzp. takk [=3D thank you]

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(aside) I especially like the part where antiorp translates "takk" for me=
.
Actually, the ludicrous aspect of yours truly being thanked by antiorp
may provide certain comic relief to some folks. Unfortunately (or perhaps=

fortunately), because of my financial situation I was forced to answer:
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>Although I support the barter system in principal, I'm afraid
>that I have no use currently for "n" copies of the krop3rom
>CD, whereas I have much use for $49.95. Don't take it
>personally...

>Incidentally, you were mentioned yesterday in an article in =

>the NJ Sunday Star Ledger (newspaper) about distributing music
>over the internet.  I almost fell off the toilet...
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(aside) That's right, readers, I actually was doing my business on my
favorite reading podium when I came across antiorp's name in an article.
Talk about synchronicity...  Talk about art imitating nature...
Anyway, antiorp responded:
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>true. understood. will locate funds and purchase.
>bzzp.

Needless to say, never purchased.  I didn't hold my breath, though.

Stephen Kay

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