Subject: MAX Digest - 3 Jan 1999 to 4 Jan 1999 (#1999-5)
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There are 11 messages totalling 550 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. sfplay~ (2)
  2. MSP and Hyperprism VST plug-ins.
  3. Public complain about Max keydisk problems
  4. example patches: waveform & scrub
  5. Videoin
  6. Opcode service: a counter-opinion
  7. Power Glove Interface
  8. MAX Digest - 2 Jan 1999 to 3 Jan 1999 (#1999-4) (2)
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Date:    Sun, 4 Jan 1998 10:14:33 +0200
From:    Joachim Gossmann 
Subject: sfplay~

Hi,

every time I use more than about six sfplay~ objects at once, the
playback
starts to drop-out or produce "cycling hangs" (a very small portion of
the audio is repeated over and over for some time, but anyway they sound
shorter than the size of the double-buffer the Sound Manager uses for
playing back).
I am playing back on a PowerPC 7500 with Audiomedia III.
The CPU-load is not over 70%, so what can be the mistake?
Could it be the HD?

All ideas are welcome,

Joachim

gossmann@cs.tu-berlin.de

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Date:    Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:31:41 +0200
From:    Trond Lossius 
Subject: Re: MSP and Hyperprism VST plug-ins.

Thorsten Olscha wrote (in a private mail):

> >2. Has anyone got a list (complete or incomplete) of what the Hyperprism
> >VST parameters controls for the different effects?
>
> I am not completly sure what you need, but the online Tutorial at
> http://www.arboretum.com provides most Information about the Hyperprism
> Parameters!for your answer. I'm aware of the manuals on Hyperprism, and
has
> downloaded them earlier on.

My problem was rather that the VST~ object did not report any changes made
in the
blue window for any of the Hyperprism VST plug ins (contrary to what is
stated in the
manual). As the Hyperprism plug-ins does not tell what the different
parameters
controls are for in the Max window at loading (contrary to e.g. the Opcode
plug-ins),
I was (not) looking foreward to a rather tiering work of testing which of
the
parameters controls what for all of the plug-ins.

Fortunately the problem turned out to be temporary with Max itself. After
rebooting
and restarting Max VST~ reported changes from the third outlet the way it is
supposed
to. Anyway this has left me with another question:

Take e.g. the H-VST Flanger. When loaded the Max window reports that this
effect has
got 18 parameters. From the Blue window one is able to control only five of
them.
This has left me currious about what the other 13 parameters are there for,
and if it
is possible to extend the amount of parameters controlable (and hence the
flexibility
of the effect) past the parameters that shows up in the Blue window.

BTW: In a private mail Arboretum has stated that naming of parameters will
be
included in future updates of the plug-ins, so that the params message to
VST~ will
be making sence.

Please forgive me for including your private reply in this posting.

Furthermore antiorp wrote:

> --> www.samt.ac.at
>
> 01.06.98
> -------------------------------------------
> Andreas Weixler
> SAMT
> Studio for Advanced Music and Media Technology
> Bruckner-Conservatory Linz, Austria
>
> eMail: andreas.weixler@samt.ac.at

I've been checking this out but didn't find any specific links or references
to
HyperControl. I'm mailing Andreas Weixler though. It also might be that the
HyperControl object is superfluous now as VST~ has been included as a
supported MSP
object.

Thanks to both of you for your replies!

Trond L.

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Date:    Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:41:39 +0100
From:    Roland Cahen & Ruth Sefton-Green 
Subject: Public complain about Max keydisk problems

>>I suggest people bombard Opcode (and anyone else using Pace c.p.) and Pace
>>with
>>descriptions of the problems you have. I mean, first you get your disk
>>destroyed,
>>then you have to wait months and months for a new copy, and then you have
>>to PAY
>>for this insult.
>
>Allen Cronce
>Pace Anti-Piracy
>allen@paceap.com

WE ALL HAVE ENOUGH OF KEY DISK PROBLEMS !

By the way, who (a real person) could we write to at Opcode's ?

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Date:    Mon, 4 Jan 1999 05:32:11 -0800
From:    Christopher Dobrian 
Subject: example patches: waveform & scrub

Here are four example MSP patches in response to recent questions on the
list.
1) grab513samples [record 513 samples to make a waveform for cycle~]
2) make513samples [use a formula in expr to make a waveform for cycle~]
3) draw513samples [draw 513 samples in a table to make a waveform for
cycle~]
4) simplescrub ["scrub" (move) through a sound with the mouse in a buffer~]
--Chris

---------grab513samples----------
max v2;
#N vpatcher 49 49 447 222;
#P comment 6 28 37 1310730 Audio On/Off;
#P toggle 15 54 15 0;
#P newex 15 77 43 1441802 adc~ 1;
#P button 98 54 15 0;
#P comment 82 28 70 1310730 Click to grab 513 samples;
#P newex 120 76 53 1441802 delay 12;
#P toggle 98 80 15 0;
#P newex 68 103 128 1441802 record~ soundbite513;
#P comment 187 27 83 1310730 Click to save buffer as AIFF file;
#P button 205 53 15 0;
#P message 205 71 62 1441802 writeaiff;
#P comment 229 110 127 1310730 Double-click to see waveform;
#P newex 205 92 175 1441802 buffer~ soundbite513 11.6327;
#P fasten 10 0 5 0 20 98 73 98;
#P fasten 7 0 6 0 125 97 116 97 116 76 103 76;
#P connect 11 0 10 0;
#P connect 2 0 0 0;
#P connect 3 0 2 0;
#P fasten 6 0 5 0 103 98 73 98;
#P connect 9 0 6 0;
#P fasten 9 0 7 0 103 72 125 72;
#P pop;
---------------------------------

---------make513samples----------
max v2;
#N vpatcher 50 40 482 249;
#P comment 176 141 217 1310730 Change the expression to make a different
waveform;
#P comment 97 27 83 1310730 Click to save buffer as AIFF file;
#P button 115 53 15 0;
#P message 115 71 62 1441802 writeaiff;
#P comment 285 94 127 1310730 Double-click to see waveform;
#P comment 218 120 144 1310730 formulaic description of waveform;
#P button 37 53 15 0;
#P newex 77 92 27 1441802 - 1;
#P newex 37 71 50 1441802 Uzi 513;
#P newex 77 117 140 1441802 expr cos($f1*0.012272);
#P newex 27 138 110 1441802 peek~ waveform513;
#P newex 115 92 170 1441802 buffer~ waveform513 11.6327;
#P comment 12 27 80 1310730 Click to fill buffer with 513 values;
#P connect 10 0 9 0;
#P connect 4 2 5 0;
#P connect 3 0 2 1;
#P connect 9 0 1 0;
#P fasten 5 0 2 0 82 113 32 113;
#P connect 5 0 3 0;
#P connect 6 0 4 0;
#P pop;
---------------------------------

---------draw513samples----------
max v2;
#N vpatcher 50 41 494 261;
#P comment 278 119 117 1310730 Draw the desired waveform.;
#P comment 116 119 160 1310730 Double-click to open graphic window.;
#P newex 77 138 43 1441802 / 200.;
#P comment 97 27 83 1310730 Click to save buffer as AIFF file;
#P button 115 53 15 0;
#P message 115 71 62 1441802 writeaiff;
#P comment 291 94 127 1310730 Double-click to see waveform;
#P button 37 53 15 0;
#P newex 77 92 27 1441802 - 1;
#P newex 37 71 50 1441802 Uzi 513;
#N vtable 513 14 46 623 511 6 200;
#P newobj 77 117 38 1441802 table;
#P newex 25 159 115 1441802 peek~ drawnwave513;
#P newex 115 92 176 1441802 buffer~ drawnwave513 11.6327;
#P comment 12 27 80 1310730 Click to fill buffer with 513 values;
#P connect 9 0 8 0;
#P connect 4 2 5 0;
#P connect 3 0 11 0;
#P connect 8 0 1 0;
#P fasten 5 0 2 0 82 113 30 113;
#P connect 5 0 3 0;
#P connect 6 0 4 0;
#P connect 11 0 2 1;
#P pop;
---------------------------------

-----------simplescrub-----------
max v2;
#N vpatcher 50 49 421 223;
#P comment 66 25 72 1310730 Load in a sound.;
#P comment 153 90 185 1310730 Click or drag on the sound with the mouse.;
#P toggle 10 88 15 0;
#P message 32 24 32 1441802 read;
#P newex 32 113 32 1441802 dac~;
#P newex 114 64 50 1441802 sig~ 1.;
#P newex 32 87 98 1441802 groove~ scrubme;
#P flonum 32 64 78 10 0 0 0 22;
#P newex 32 43 98 1441802 buffer~ scrubme;
#P comment 132 45 151 1310730 Double-click to see sound in buffer.;
#P fasten 4 0 3 0 37 82;
#P fasten 7 0 5 0 15 108 37 108;
#P connect 6 0 1 0;
#P connect 1 0 2 0;
#P fasten 3 0 5 1 37 108 59 108;
#P connect 3 0 5 0;
#P connect 2 0 3 0;
#P pop;
---------------------------------

                                   ----------
  Christopher Dobrian / Department of Music / University of California,
Irvine
  Phone: (949) 824-7288 / Fax: (949) 824-4914 /
http://www.arts.uci.edu/dobrian

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Date:    Mon, 4 Jan 1999 09:48:24 -0500
From:    Alex Westner 
Subject: Re: sfplay~

I think I've had a similar problem once before.  The
workaround I came up with was to turn 'overdrive' off.

I had to have somewhere between 4-8 sound files playing at
once.  So, I loaded the script, turned overdrive off,
triggered all the sound files, and then turned overdrive
back on.  It was a hack, but it worked.  

---

Alex Westner  ..  westner@media.mit.edu
Audio Stuff  ..  MIT Media Lab  ..  1.617.253.0312
http://www.media.mit.edu/~westner  ..  1.617.576.2694

On Sun, 4 Jan 1998, Joachim Gossmann wrote:

> Hi,
>
> every time I use more than about six sfplay~ objects at once, the
> playback
> starts to drop-out or produce "cycling hangs" (a very small portion of
> the audio is repeated over and over for some time, but anyway they sound
> shorter than the size of the double-buffer the Sound Manager uses for
> playing back).
> I am playing back on a PowerPC 7500 with Audiomedia III.
> The CPU-load is not over 70%, so what can be the mistake?
> Could it be the HD?
>
> All ideas are welcome,
>
> Joachim
>
> gossmann@cs.tu-berlin.de
>
> Email to MAX should now be sent to MAX@lists.mcgill.ca
> LISTSERV commands should be sent to listserv@lists.mcgill.ca
> Information is available on the WEB at http://www.mcgill.ca/cc/listserv
>

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Date:    Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:35:28 CST
From:    Bill Meadows 
Subject: Re: Videoin

> It freezes after a few seconds when I turn it on.
> After a few resarts it sticks forever.
> Is this due to system 8.1 ? (I didn't have this problem before)

Which version of MAX are you using?

I had trouble getting VideoIn to work with anything after 2.5.2.

Bill Meadows

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Date:    Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:48:25 -0700
From:    Adam Schabtach 
Subject: Opcode service: a counter-opinion

> Being someone who recently lost all his authorizations after using
> Max for just a
> few weeks -- lost them when deauthorizing failed and Pace's
> ultra-destructive copy
> protection scheme decided to rip me off -- reading stuff like this is
truly
> frightening. Waiting EIGHT months for a new key disk!? That's truly
> astonishing!

And it's also truly unlike the service I've received. When I recently
called Opcode to request a new key disk that was compatible with
MacOS 8.x, they mailed it to me free of charge and I received it in
less than one calendar week.

I suspect that the eight-month wait and US$43 charge that this poor
person was subjected to has much to do with the fact that he lives in
Luxembourg. There have already been numerous accounts of poor
representation and distribution of Opcode products in Europe. This
isn't good news, of course, but it is a separate issue. For what it's
worth, I have been rather unimpressed with the representation in USA
for European synthesizer companies.

I've also, to the best of my memory, lost only two authorizations
from Max key disks, and I've been using it since version 2.01 was
current.

--Adam
Adam Schabtach                      nebulous@earthlink.net

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Date:    Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:56:59 +0000
From:    Martin Herman 
Subject: Power Glove Interface

Hello,
Does anyone know where I might locate a Goldbrick interface for the
Power Glove? I'd also be interested in any resources (web sites, users)
where I could get info on power glove interfacing with MAX. Thanks,
Martin

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Date:    Mon, 4 Jan 1999 21:27:18 -0000
From:    Kurt Ralske 
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 2 Jan 1999 to 3 Jan 1999 (#1999-4)

Dr. Karlheinz Essl wrote:

>I encountered some problems with the new CD object which I tried to run on
>my PB 3400 under MAX3.5.9 / MSP. Here a short chronology what happened:
>
>1) Inserting an audio CD
>
>2) Starting MAX/MSP, opening cd.help
>
>3) The following messages appear in the MAX window:
>        CD interface type atpi
>        cd: ATAPI bus 1
>        cd: found 1 drives
>        first track 1 last track 19
>        table of contents: [... skipped ...]
>
>4) When trying to play track #1, I get no audio out, although the CD drive
>is spinning.
(etc)

I am having identical problem

Kurt Ralske

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Date:    Mon, 4 Jan 1999 20:23:44 -0800
From:    Georg hajdu 
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 2 Jan 1999 to 3 Jan 1999 (#1999-4)

>I encountered some problems with the new CD object which I tried to run on
>my PB 3400 under MAX3.5.9 / MSP. Here a short chronology what happened:
>
>1) Inserting an audio CD
>
>2) Starting MAX/MSP, opening cd.help
>
>3) The following messages appear in the MAX window:
>        CD interface type atpi
>        cd: ATAPI bus 1
>        cd: found 1 drives
>        first track 1 last track 19
>        table of contents: [... skipped ...]
>
>4) When trying to play track #1, I get no audio out, although the CD drive
>is spinning.
>
>5) When I switch to the Finder (with MAX is still running), and when I try
>to play the CD with the AppleCDAudio Player, I still get no audio signal.
>
>6) After quitting MAX, the CD starts playing.
>
>7) When I start MAX/MSP again, the CD stops.
>
>8) Quitting MAX again - the CD continues to play.
>
>9) Now starting MAX *without MSP*, opening cd.help: now everything works as
>expected!
>
>---> Maybe this is due to a conflict with MSP's audio driver??? I don't use
>any audio cards, just the SoundManager (v3.3) together with the system
>extension Apple CD-ROM (v5.4) under MacOS 8.0.
>
>
>Any advices how to remedy this situation?

Karlheinz,

have you tried to use adc~-dac~ with the audio input set to "expansion
bay"? This should solve your problem when running MAX/MSP. Don't forget
that MSP actually (and unfortunately) receives analog input from the CD
player.

I do this on my G3 PB all the time.

Happy New Year,

Georg

***************************************************
 Dr. Georg Hajdu

Hochschule f=FCr Musik Detmold,
Abteilung M=FCnster
Ludgeriplatz 1
D-48151 Muenster

e-mail: hajdu@uni-muenster.de
http://www.uni-muenster.de/Musikhochschule/Dozenten/Hajdu/Hajdu.html
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