Subject: MAX Digest - 29 Dec 1998 to 30 Dec 1998 (#1998-116)
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Topics of the day:

  1. LiquidAudio eats Max install ?
  2.  (2)
  3. MAX Digest - 28 Dec 1998 to 29 Dec 1998 (#1998-115)
  4. Max list dying...
  5. Yawn
  6. Info on bonk
  7. Sorry, found pdf bonk file. What about debounce
  8. Schumann and Tiny Bell

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Date:    Tue, 29 Dec 1998 23:22:24 -0800
From:    Philip Aker 
Subject: LiquidAudio eats Max install ?

I've been running an older version of Max on a G3 for about 11
months without any significant problems.

Last night I installed LiquidAudio Player 4 on that machine. It
is not connected to the internet but uses the serial ports for
Midi and printing so the internet features of LiquidAudio (via
Netscape) were of course non-functional. During the course of
the install, a dialog appears informing the user that it is
scanning all drives for various files and assistant
applications. After I checked out the application's menus and
dialogs, I quit and tried to use Max. I'm informed that I'm now
attempting to run an unauthorized copy.

Since I learned (by accident) that one should never touch the
Max authorization files, I have to presume that LiquidAudio is
the culprit behind this loss of a Max install - by poking into
places where it shouldn't.

If anyone else can attribute their loss of a Max install to this
factor, I'd sure like to hear about it.

TIA,

Philip
philip@vcn.bc.ca

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Date:    Wed, 30 Dec 1998 02:22:23 -0600
From:    =cw4t7abs 
Subject: 

>>From:    Bob Falesch 
>>You sell.  You advertise.  Thus, you compete, and while doing so, you are
>>vigilent of your income:costs.

prez!zl!.
- Bob Falesch chek 2 0f0003 != evn depoz!td due 2 !t = 4 > dzen
= reku!rd.

v!g!lant++

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Date:    Wed, 30 Dec 1998 04:29:14 EST
From:    RBMengMail@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 28 Dec 1998 to 29 Dec 1998 (#1998-115)

Pardon me, antiorp, for interrupting.....

But today's MAX digest consisted of only posts from antiorp.

100 percent antiorp!!  That's like having 100 channels of digital TV all
showing the same old rerun of a bad "Pee Wee Herman" episode 24 hours a day.

I would like to propose that we rename the MAX maillist the "antiorp" list
and
be done with it.  If one looks back over the last several months, one might
discover that nearly half of the bulk of the list has been antiorp-related
material -- mostly useless (to me) jibbering and artful (to s/h/it)
expressions more appropriate for the walls of Greyhound Busline depot
toilets.

I fear that this list is dying by being smothered by unrelated, selfserving,
off-topic posts.  I have been reluctant to steer people to this list because
frankly, I'm embarrassed by it's content at times.

Maybe it's time we divided into two seperate lists -- one strictly on MAX
related technical and artistic topics and the other for those with
political,
economic, religious, gender-unspecific, or behavioral issues.  Let's split
the
list in two and let everyone choose the list(s) they want.

Respectfully yours,

R B Meng

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Date:    Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:48:30 -0600
From:    =cw4t7abs 
Subject: 

>X-From_: gossmann@cs.tu-berlin.de  Wed Dec 30 09:14:06 1998
>From: gossmann@cs.tu-berlin.de

>Dear antiorp!

 Yours, Joachim +?

>I think you should go and post your statement about Robert Schumann to
>the "most silly opinions about music" -list instead forcing the readers
>of the MAX list to savour your opinon. ;)

c'est vous qu! l'avez d!t +?             )

>Look... I am a lover of 20th century AND at the same time love
>Schumann... he4s (one of) the most ingenius composers of his time, once
>you really got yourself on the way trying to understand him.
>He is not trivial at all.

c'est vous qu! l'avez d!t +?

>(YOu might call Brahms trivial in certain passages, but not Schumann)

warum n!cht. Brahms =3D trivial in certain passages.

>Anyway, there4s different music for different needs, and you dont have
>to like romantic music that tries to project emotions into music. (I
>don4t know what is wrong if people understand your music right away)
>And again... what4s so bad about music from television adverts?

part!r en v!tesse +?

>Great music has been composed for TV ads, music that WORKS.

c'est vous qu! l'avez d!t +?

>Why don4t you just do what YOU want to do and leave the other kinds of
>music in peace?

c'est exaktement ce que je d!s. peut-=EAtre +?

>I don4t see your point.

c'est exaktement ce que je d!s - punkt +?

>Yours, Joachim

c'est vous qu! l'avez d!t. Dear antiorp!

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Date:    Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:56:24 -0500
From:    Stephen Kay 
Subject: Max list dying...

R.B.Meng:
>I would like to propose that we rename the MAX maillist the "antiorp" li=
st
and
>be done with it.  If one looks back over the last several months, one
might
>discover that nearly half of the bulk of the list has been antiorp-relat=
ed
>material -- mostly useless (to me) jibbering and artful (to s/h/it)
>expressions more appropriate for the walls of Greyhound Busline depot
toilets.

>I fear that this list is dying by being smothered by unrelated,
selfserving,
>off-topic posts.  I have been reluctant to steer people to this list
because
>frankly, I'm embarrassed by it's content at times.

How true.  This list is dying an ignoble death.  The cause is antiorp.
I also am embarrassed at what this list has become.

antiorp demonstrates every day a total disregard for any of the policies
of the list, including the ones that s/h/it promised to accept in order
to get back on the list.  Basically, antiorp and friends bombarded
Chris Murtagh with hate-mail and other subversive tactics, then antiorp
took off s/h/it's persona for a few minutes and said "please, chris,
I'll be good, let me back on the list (whine, snivel)", and then rather
quickly is back to the same sort of behaviour (or worse) that got it
booted the first time.  Such as:

-posting long rants on totally unrelated topics. Most recently,
Schumann, and the 18k Christmas manifesto setting out antiorp's
*oooh, soooooo radikal* mind set.
-constantly quoting private e-mail to the list, in an attempt
to either discredit the sender, or bolster antiorp's image. Most
Recently, Bob Falesch, and Joachim Gossman.
-directly insulting various list members who actually contribute
something.  Most recently, Johnny Dekam and Richard Zvonar.
-littering messages with long strings of ASCII garbage.

I've heard a certain list owner say that he would love to boot antiorp
(again) if only the list could vote on it.  If it was done democratically=
,
by a vote of list members, then perhaps the decision could be accepted
by all, and we could get on with MAX.  If people are interested, someone
should volunteer to somehow host and handle the vote.  I'd do it, but
as people know, I'm vehemently anti-antiorp, so someone a bit more
impartial may be required.

Stephen Kay

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Date:    Wed, 30 Dec 1998 12:28:27 EST
From:    JohnBrit@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Yawn

Personal insults, trivial intellectual masturbation and self promotion. It
has
been a long time now since I saved any extracts from this list into the
"could
be useful to me as a Max user" folder. Let's hope that that this will not
persist in 1999.
JW.

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Date:    Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:29:44 +0100
From:    Mats Claesson 
Subject: Info on bonk

Hi

Im trying to understand a bit more about howe bonk works.

Its probably on http://man104nfs.ucsd.edu/~mpuckett/ in a file called -Real
time audio analysis tools for Pd and MSP. But I cant read it, Claris works,
Word 6.0, Netscape, Acrobat....no.. no.
Has anyone heard of an aplication/postscript thing/reader/plugg in ?......

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Date:    Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:18:29 +0100
From:    Mats Claesson 
Subject: Sorry, found pdf bonk file. What about debounce

Hi

Sorry didnt look enough, found acrobat text file on bonk......

Is there anyone who have used bonk and could answer if debounce works. As I
understand it its supposed to set a time befor next repport of attack?
Changing debounce to anyting more than 0.99  stops bonk from reporting
attaks.

G 300
Sys 8.1
Max 3.5.9 and latest msp

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Date:    Wed, 30 Dec 1998 19:18:22 -0600
From:    Richard Paske 
Subject: Schumann and Tiny Bell

=cw4t7abs  wrote:

>in this moment of late twentieth century, robert schumann's musical
>compositions do not lend appropriate subject matter for newly commissioned
>work (not to be mistaken for his wife clara schumann who although a
>celebrated concert pianist also produced similarly thin work).

Dave Douglas' Tiny Bell Trio does a very beautiful version of "Langsam" by
R. Schumann.  Check out their recording on _Live in Europe_ (Arabesque
Jazz). They (Douglas, trumpet; Brad Schoeppach, elec. guitar; Jim Black,
drums) also did this piece on their recent Walker Art Center gig in
Minneapolis - it was achingly beautiful.  They play the head straight (as
much as one can do with this instrumentation) and then improvise very
thoughtful extensions of the composed material.  Somehow they maintain the
19th century European feel of melancholy while taking it past 2000 with
humor and optimism at the same time.

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