Subject: MAX Digest - 16 Dec 1998 to 17 Dec 1998 (#1998-102)
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There are 12 messages totalling 347 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. 
  2. getting old
  3. Max-list CD? (2)
  4. Intallation Oranges! (2)
  5. multislider thin line question
  6. down Mry lane
  7. Old?
  8. Standards (slightly off-topic) (Was Re: firewire / usb)
  9. Merci, CPU urgent!
 10. ? re.MSP w/ digidesign protools & ? re. fiddle~/bonk~

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Date:    Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:51:58 -0600
From:    =cw4t7abs 
Subject: 

>From:    David Rodger 
>>>Subject: FIMU 1999 : Call for participations  ||  call 4 zubrdonat!on
>>
>>0+2 kreez murtagh. s0ls0l
>
>[...yawn...]

 ||  call 4 zubrdonat!on

>>tro_e=F9ropecasuf!c`e|_ne=F9trala!nventeez
>

>Translation: Antiorp is not going to put any of his work on Chris's CD.

 obzervat!on 0+0 : != Chris's CD.

>Translation: Antiorp is not going to put any of his work on Chris's CD.

 obzervat!on 0+2 : t! !nfantesk !ns!nuat!on fabr!kat de quelc !mbec!l

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eczplo!tat!on ov - Music and Dance from Ghana --
www.alphalink.com.au/~adzohu/
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Date:    Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:23:19 +0000
From:    david stevens 
Subject: Re: getting old

>
> Dare I ask, is this the first sign of 'getting old'?
>
> Chris

in my experience, the _first_ sign of getting old is (was) asking the
question
"is this the first sign of getting old?"

8-)

david

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Date:    Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:04:34 +0100
From:    "Mag. Andreas Weixler" 
Subject: Max-list CD?

>Anyway, I just thought I would put out a feeler to see if anyone would be
>interested in participation and/or purchasing such a CD

Dear Chris,

a wonderful Idea, I would like to participate/purchase.
Hope for Your reminder and adress in January.

The time "not before February the first" is for reciving or sending
(poststamp) ?, I am thinking of the oversea mail, which will take some days
of delay.

>- I'm thinking of 1 or 2 CDs, depending on the material received. If 2 then
>one will be audio only and the other either CD-ROM or mixed media.

I apriciate this way very much.

thank You

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Andreas Weixler, composer
http://www.samt.ac.at/curriculumvitae/AndreasWeixler.engl.html
IEM Graz - SAMT Linz - GEM Austria
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Date:    Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:08:54 -0700
From:    John Abram 
Subject: Intallation Oranges!

What's the opposite of blues?

So, for what it's worth, my problem with the Micropolis drive was withe
Apple's drivers.  Having installed FWB's I'm maxing away again...

with best wishes,
John
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http://www.tcel.com/~abramj/home.htm
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Date:    Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:30:24 -0500
From:    Chris Murtagh 
Subject: Re: Intallation Oranges!

From: "John Abram" , on 12/17/98 9:08 AM:
>So, for what it's worth, my problem with the Micropolis
>drive was withe Apple's drivers.  Having installed FWB's
>I'm maxing away again...

Joy oh Joy! Aren't HD drivers fun? :)

 Just make sure that if/when you install OS8.5(.1) you are using FWB 2.5.3
or higher.  8.5 has serious problems with version 2.5.2 (and lower I
imagine).

Cheers,

Chris

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Christopher Murtagh
MAX listserv owner
www.music.mcgill.ca/max

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Date:    Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:16:01 -0500
From:    Fr=?ISO-8859-1?B?6WTp?=ric Murray 
Subject: multislider thin line question

Hello Maxers,

Simple question : is it possible to change the thickness of the thin line
of multislider ?

Thank you

Frederic Murray
Etudiant en musique
Universite Laval
Quebec, Quebec

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Date:    Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:46:52 +0100
From:    Peter Castine 
Subject: Re: down Mry lane

On around Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:45:36 -0500, Chris Murtagh

 asked, with reference to Nick's reference to an Atari ST:

>Ahh yes. Not long ago, I remember laughing at a friend of mine when he
>bought his Atari 520ST. We were into the platform debate at the time. Not
>Mac VS PC, they both were crappy for music, then it was Amiga VS Atari. I
>had my Amiga 2000 (still do, now a doorstop) with an FB-01 and he had his
>520ST/MT-32(ooh! Multi-Timbral!). We still have 'technology' books in our
>library that talk about both of these machines being the 'new cutting
>edege' in computer music. More like history books now.
>
>Dare I ask, is this the first sign of 'getting old'?

Nah, you're not old Chris. I'm old enough to remember when "machine
music" referred to Athanasius Kircher. (But, no, I wasn't actually there
at the time:-)

Cheers,

Peter

PS: Take exception to "Mac was crappy for music." First Mac sequencer was
already available in 1984, before either of the other A-machines were
even on the market; Performer 1.0 was sometime in '85 (including support
for melodic inversion and retrograde, something I still haven't been able
to get any of the German sequencer manufacturers to show me at a demo),
as well as a few further competitors. There was nothing that handled
notation well aside from Score (ack... plain vanilla MS-DOS, or perhaps
VMS if you could handle that) before Finale came along (and that other
"A"-machine, running Sibelius). Donny Blank's software was wonderful, and
a promising grad student at Stanford (oops--is that more or less
accurate, David?) was turning out very original work back around
'85/86--I preferred Jam Factory, I suppose I'm not only old but wierd...

----------------- http://www.prz.tu-berlin.de/~pcastine/ -----------------
Dr. Peter Castine          | I am very pleased to announce that the
4-15 Music & Technology    | 26th International Computer Music Conference
                           | will take place in Berlin in the year 2000.
                           | We look forward to seeing you here!

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Date:    Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:00:21 -0800
From:    Peter Elsea 
Subject: Old?

>Dare I ask, is this the first sign of 'getting old'?
Nah, us old geezers are the ones with punchcard* boxes lying around. The
Atari was my fourth or fifth computer.

By the way, I am about to move across campus, so (if past performance by
the CATS crew is any guide) I'll be off line until early January. My web
server should not be affected, but if it is, I won't know about it.
I'm supposed to start teaching in the new studios on Jan 5 ("See that
space? there'll be a synthesizer there when I get a chance to wire it in.")
and we're going to have a grand opening May 2nd and 5th.

(*I didn't say there were still punchcards in them- they were such a handy
size, I still keep a dozen or so for odd parts.)
Peter Elsea
Electronic Music Studios
University of California, Santa Cruz
http://arts.ucsc.edu/EMS/Music/index.html
 elsea@cats.ucsc.edu

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Date:    Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:03:07 -0500
From:    David Crandall 
Subject: Standards (slightly off-topic) (Was Re: firewire / usb)

This discussion is making me wonder, and wonder if anyone here knows, if
there is any progress going on toward a standard for multitrack "session"
files (other than OMF)?  So that Deck could save a file in such a way that
Pro Tools could open it (albeit maybe losing some of the info like
automation).

As far as that goes, what about being able to someday bring such sessions
into the Max/MSP environment (to bring it back to Max talk)?  talk about a
new paradigm...  Or is it too much overhead to work properly?

dc

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Date:    Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:26:54 +0000
From:    Louis Dufort 
Subject: Merci, CPU urgent!

Thank's to all for your response, everything works!

I can now go to sleep a couple of hours before the concert tonight.

;-)

Louis

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Date:    Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:22:49 -0500
From:    Chris Murtagh 
Subject: Re: Max-list CD?

From: "Mag. Andreas Weixler" , on 12/17/98 6:04 AM:
>a wonderful Idea, I would like to participate/purchase.
>Hope for Your reminder and adress in January.

Excellent! I have been getting a lot of very positive emails regarding
this.

>The time "not before February the first" is for reciving or sending
>(poststamp) ?, I am thinking of the oversea mail, which will take some
days
>of delay.

Yeah, this is a tricky one. My main reason for saying 'not before Feb. 1st'
is that I want everyone to have an equal chance to get something in. If you
are sending something overseas, and you have something done, please send it
Mid to late January. If you know you will have something done before the
last week of January, but mail delays are a concern, email me and we can
make arrangements. I'll do my best to be fair to everyone.

>>- I'm thinking of 1 or 2 CDs, depending on the material received. If 2
then
>>one will be audio only and the other either CD-ROM or mixed media.
>
>I apriciate this way very much.

 It looks like this will be at least 1 mixed media CD. I have had a couple
of people mention MAX/MSP patches.

Cheers,

Chris
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Christopher Murtagh
MAX listserv owner
www.music.mcgill.ca/max

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Date:    Thu, 17 Dec 1998 23:54:35 -0400
From:    "M. Abidh Waugh" 
Subject: ? re.MSP w/ digidesign protools & ? re. fiddle~/bonk~

Has anyone else had difficulties with using msp and digidesign pro tools
simultaneously?   I am using msp v5.1,max v 3.5.9, digisystem v3.4.1,
dae v3.4.1, digisound driver v1.4.2, protool v4.1.1. , &  macOS 8.5.
When starting protools after msp is up, I can't get audio from ptools
(via audiomedia 3).  When returning to msp, turning audio on results in
system crash.   It seems as if 'dae' has difficulty using the digidesign
driver that msp is using, but this is a guess;  anyone have any
suggestions/comments?

Does anyone have anything to say about using the msp objects fiddle~ and
bonk~?  I have found some interesting results with the bonk~, and am
hoping for similar success with the fiddle~, although my preliminary
work with the fiddle~ has resulted in numerous crashes.

Have a nice whatever  it is where you are.

M. Abidh Waugh

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