Subject: MAX Digest - 8 Dec 1998 to 9 Dec 1998 (#1998-94)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 00:00:03 -0500
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There are 17 messages totalling 549 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. porc!ne
  2. firewire video cont'd
  3. video sampler (2)
  4. movie object
  5. Menubar off... how? (2)
  6. * NEW and Improved*  MAX listserv www site
  7. looking for an address
  8. Visuals/Pictures opacity,size and place
  9. video sampling
 10. BPM conversion - please help!
 11. nth bugs ?
 12. MAX Digest - 7 Dec 1998 to 8 Dec 1998 (#1998-93)
 13. firewire
 14. midi beat clock
 15. updated SDK

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Date:    Wed, 9 Dec 1998 00:13:55 -0600
From:    Antiorp Antiorp 
Subject: porc!ne

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Date:    Wed, 9 Dec 1998 01:00:38 -0500
From:    Johnny DeKam 
Subject: firewire video cont'd

>> Don Ritter developed a system on an
>> Amiga called "Orpheus", which allows video to be trigger by MIDI.
>> He's since ported this to NT.  ...

How about a port Mac? (!)

>I tried the Buz card, and unfortunately it doesn't work all that well...

I own a buz as well, and reached the same conclusion...
I wonder really if other hardware works well with the movie object, while I
haven't tried
other boards, the conclusion seems to be (from multiple sources)
that in general the movie itself object is just a bit 'gimpy'
(even when using non-hardware based Quicktime)

>Since DV is supported by QuickTime, in theory this should work already,
>as it does (according to Ken Gregory) for the TARGA boards and
>(according to someone else) for the Miro, and (hopefully) for the Buz.
>Apparently though, at least for the Firemax (according to Johnny DeKam),
>it doesn't, and I haven't been able to get any real answer from Promax
>or Brad Pillow as to why not, or how we could modify the Max movie
>object to make it work (I sent him the movie object source code,
>although it was an old version). If there is a problem with the Firemax
>driver, we can only hope Brad will fix it, since it is proprietary -

I don't thinks its related to an error in the promax driver at all.

Apple has for a long time released the Firewire SDK through the developer's
The purpose: to develop drivers for Firewire hardware.
but it seems that you would only be interested in it if you were planning on
writing proprietary software for Firewire hardware...
(IE Software has already been written that works WELL with Quicktime - just
not MAX)

>Unfortunately I can't get my hands on a Firemax to test, since they
>don't sell through dealers.

I have a Firemax C board - tested it thoroughly with MAX - no go.
For all the interested Max+Video people out there, Firemax is great for
video editing, but the
Firewire board in itself doesn't do video, you must also buy IEEE 1394
compatible video
hardware (with video out to be useful) I have a Sony DSR-20 DVCAM deck -
cost: $3000 - not exactly a low end solution for video performance (which is
why I bought a buz for my performance rig)

>Rather than asking Opcode to put proprietary code into the Max movie
>object - making the whole thing proprietary - I'd rather keep working on
>it. My feeling is that we can make it work within the next couple of
>months at the most...

perhaps the problem is that the movie object is already too proprietary...
and needs to be standardized/updated to work with Quicktime 3.0 -- My
understanding is that the movie object was a kind of "bell & whistle" added
by David Z. in version 2.5, but wasn't ever a major feature focus for MAX.
My main argument for rewriting the movie object to be more robust is how
much flexibilty it offers now (as opposed to QT v2.x of the past)  Quicktime
can contain a wide variety of content - stills, animated vector graphics,
audio, 3D models, MIDI and of course video... it has evolved tremendously in
its capabilities, wouldn't it be great for MAX to fully take advantage of
this evolution?

-- Johnny DeKam


Date:    Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:53:03 -0800
From:    David Zicarelli 
Subject: Re: video sampler

Jeff Mann  writes:

>Rather than asking Opcode to put proprietary code into the Max movie
>object - making the whole thing proprietary - I'd rather keep working on
>it. My feeling is that we can make it work within the next couple of
>months at the most...   
Subject: movie object

Dear David Z.,

If the movie object is up for another update, I would suggest:

1. The 2nd and 3rd arguments will be the left and upper coordinates of the
movie window. A fourth non-zero argument will knock off the title bar. Two
additional inputs will allow position change.

2. Superimposing two or more movie objects will permit the bottom image to
shine through transparent parts of higher images.


Jeff Burns


Date:    Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:49:48 -0800
From:    dudas 
Subject: Re: Menubar off... how?

removing the menubar is one of the things you can do by sending a message
directly to max himself  you need to type the following into a message box:

| ;               |
| max hidemenubar |

| ;               |
| max showmenubar |

don't forget that to turn overdrive on and off from within a patch you can

| ;             |
| max preempt 1 |

| ;             |
| max preempt 0 |



Date:    Wed, 9 Dec 1998 02:51:18 -0500
From:    Christopher Murtagh 
Subject: * NEW and Improved*  MAX listserv www site

Greetings MAXers,

 The MAX listserv web site has had a couple of improvements, one of them
which includes a new URL which is:

This will be a bit easier to remember, and should I ever graduate and
leave McGill (not in the near future), the link will still be good.

 For those of you who have added a link to the MAX listserv pages in your
own pages, thank you and don't worry, you don't now have a new dead link
on your web pages. The max directory is simply an alias to my site, but
when you get a chance, please change it. Thanks again.

 For people having slow downloads across the Atlantic, I will be soon
mirroring the IRCAM FTP site to give you one more location to download
your favorite public domain patches and software. Please email me if you
have something you would like to share.

Want to tell everyone about a hip concert/event? Let me know and I will
post it for all to see.

Pour les francophones:

La traduction est presque fini, et la majorite des page sont la. Si il y a
quelqu'un qui peut m'aider a trouver les erreurs d'autographe etc. ca
m'aidera beaucoup. Si vous en trouvez, SVP envoyez moi un courrier
electronique. Merci. Il reste deux images (Back to Main en est un) et deux
petites pages a traduire.  J'espere avoir fini cette semaine.

Merci/Thank you

Christopher Murtagh
MAX listserv owner


Date:    Wed, 9 Dec 1998 09:05:15 +0100
From:    "Dr. Karlheinz Essl" 
Subject: Re: Menubar off... how?

Joachim Gossmann asked:

> A while ago I saw a Max-presentation that did not display the menubar
> nor window elements on screen. I read through the manual to find out how
> to switch of the menubar, but could not find anything. It must somehow
> be done by sending system-messages..?!?
> Does anybody know how this works?

Two possibilities:

1) Sending the message "fullscreen 1" to "thispatcher" will provide a blank
white background without any Finder GUI elements.

2) Use the object "max-menubar" which you'll find in my RTC-lib for MAX to
switch on/off the menubar - download info at:

Hope that helps.


   Dr. Karlheinz Essl - Composer
   Vienna / Austria
   Studio for Advanced Music & Media Technology


Date:    Wed, 9 Dec 1998 03:28:48 -0500
From:    Marcel Wierckx 
Subject: looking for an address

Hi Maxers,

Could somebody give me an email address for Richard Dudas? Please respond


Marcel Wierckx


Date:    Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:00:15 +0200
From:    Joachim Gossmann 
Subject: Visuals/Pictures opacity,size and place

Hello once more...

I want to control the size, place and opacity of pictures (PICTs)
appearing on the screen via max parameters (comparable to what you can
do with Directors Lingo)
Has someone created a library for this already or will I have to create
all new objects by myself?

Greetings... Joachim


Date:    Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:13:47 +0100
From:    Matthew Ostrowski 
Subject: Re: video sampling

>>From:    subcontrol@MUU.AUTONO.NET
>>Subject: video sampling
>>A while ago there was some discussion about video sampling. Any new break
>>We are  considering a possible solution: [snip!]

You might want to take a look at imag/ine from STEIM (


Date:    Wed, 9 Dec 1998 12:22:48 +0100
From:    "Dr. Karlheinz Essl" 
Subject: BPM conversion - please help!

Dear MAXers!

I want to play sound files which are based on 120 BPM with different speeds
by changing the transposition. Can anybody out there help me with a formula
to find the proper transposition factor according to the following table:

        BPM             transp-factor

        120             1
         60             0.5
        240             2

I know that this must be a logarithmic equavation, but I really got stuck.

Any help is highly appreciated. Please reply directly to .

Cheers, and thanks in advance
   --- Karlheinz

   Dr. Karlheinz Essl - Composer
   Vienna / Austria
   Studio for Advanced Music & Media Technology


Date:    Wed, 9 Dec 1998 14:04:52 +0100
From:    Roland Cahen & Ruth Sefton-Green 
Subject: nth bugs ?

Je n'arrète pas d'avoir des plantages avec nth que je n'avais jamais eu

My "nth" doesn't work anymore and when asking a position superior than the
top in the nth help, max crashes with err 1 or sometimes 2.

Roland CAHEN


Date:    Wed, 9 Dec 1998 14:33:19 +0100
From:    Peter Castine 
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 7 Dec 1998 to 8 Dec 1998 (#1998-93)

On around Tue, 8 Dec 1998 01:10:04 -0500, Johnny DeKam processor said
something like:

>It's really just a matter writing a better Quicktime object.

Just a reminder: David Z.'s source code is available: it's part of the
example code distributed with the developers' kit distributed with Max. I
get the impression that a better movie object is not high on David's
list, but there's nothing to stop a dedicated person from taking the
source code as a springboard to a high-end, bells-and-whistles external.

I did my tiny patch to the source code for one of Jeff Burn's "Piano of
Light" projects, but that's likely to be the end of my contributions to a
more comprehensive movie object. There's a lot of people asking for a
more feature-full object. Question is; who's going to take up the



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Date:    Wed, 9 Dec 1998 12:29:51 -0500
From:    David Crandall 
Subject: Re: video sampler

On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, David Zicarelli wrote:

> I'm happy to declare the movie object to be "open source." I will
> upload the source code to the net in a few days, after I have a
> chance to document it a little bit. Anyone who wants to add anything
> to it is free to do so. If you want to share it with everyone else,
> send it to me and I'll incorporate any new features in the
> "standard" edition. If you want to do something proprietary with it,
> that's fine too.

two questions:

would any of this apply to "imovie," or is that even still an object in
the later versions of Max?

I'd love to see the capability of continuous QT audio playback when
scrubbing or skipping around in a movie (i.e, how it sounds when the
picture is scrubbed in Premiere); how hard is that to do? Is anyone else
(ie a programmer) interested in that?



Date:    Wed, 9 Dec 1998 12:49:29 -0000
From:    David Bianciardi 
Subject: Re: firewire

On 12/9/98 4:59 AM, Automatic digest processor wrote:

>I believe its only a matter of time before the pro
>digital audio arena picks it up.

Yamaha's M-Lan works, (similar or at least compatible with Pavo's 1394
solution) although I'm not sure if they're selling it yet (possibly
waiting to see if the MMA will use it as the next generation MIDI
transport).  Digital audio and MIDI over 1394.

USB is putting up a good fight in terms of actually coming to market,

David Bianciardi

212.353.3947 fax
IDRC || 415 Lafayette St || NYC, NY 10003-7000


Date:    Wed, 9 Dec 1998 10:00:52 -0800
From:    Peter Elsea 
Subject: midi beat clock

Peter Nyboer asks: How does max take midi beat clock in?

The way you get beat clock or MIDI time code depends on the interface you
are using. With a simple midi translator, these will come in the same port
as everything else, and rtin will give you beat clocks.
If you have a fancier interface such as the 64xtc, all timing information
is sent to a special port, which usually shows up as the name of the device
in the Max midi setup. So if that dialog lists "studio 64xtc" as port t.
[rtin t] will supply beat clocks.
The interface control panel in OMS setup may have to be set to allow the
kind of sync you want to use. It's the setting of this panel that
determines what the timein object gets.
Peter Elsea
Electronic Music Studios
University of California, Santa Cruz


Date:    Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:53:46 +1100
From:    Ashley Scott 
Subject: updated SDK

Dear all,

I have the MAX 3.5 CD and have wanted to start working with the
CodeWarrior projects in the SDK on that disk. I started off trying to
use CW Pro1 and found that the projects wouldn't open (too old) nor
could I update them with the updater utility. I've also tried CW Gold 6
and I also get similar errors.

Does anyone have a set - or know of the location of updated projects?

this would be much appreciated

Ashley Scott


End of MAX Digest - 8 Dec 1998 to 9 Dec 1998 (#1998-94)