Subject: MAX Digest - 3 Dec 1998 to 4 Dec 1998 (#1998-90)
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  1. -x97 987098
  2. detonate sequences/krapmatter (2)
  3. detonate sequences (2)
  4. MAX Digest - 2 Dec 1998 to 3 Dec 1998 (#1998-89) (2)
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Date:    Thu, 3 Dec 1998 23:55:04 -0600
From:    =cw4t7abs 
Subject: -x97 987098

>From:    Peter Nyboer 
>Subject: detonate sequences/krapmatter

matter:

>I would like to playback a sequence with 3 streams of controller data and
>some note info, and be able to vary the tempo in real time.  It seems
>simple, but the seq object won't cut it since I can vary the tempo only at
>the start of playback.

!t = posz!bl

matter:

>> human perception of colour changes during lifetime.
>>    as children eyes focus on a greater amount of blue tinge
>>    when older when eyes focus more on brown tinge.
>>    during our life the brain compensates and humans do not notice.
>>    very evident in paintings by monet before and after he had cateracts
>>    removed
>
>Thank you, antiorp, for this information.

fakt: !t != true

>Now I can use it to subtly
>manipulate buyers in different age demographics, and further my amerikan
>kapitalist agenda.  You will buy, and you don't know why....

phpz konz!dr adjuzt!ng web z!te pr!or 2. !t = lakx + u != aware `why`

>http://www.loop.com/~pnyboer/
>--home of Slambassador multimedia gallery--

>http://www.loop.com/~pnyboer/product
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krapmatter:

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>
          feeling, and functioning cataracts

[\\ detonate sequences.  You will buy, and you don't know why.

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Date:    Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:42:48 +0100
From:    Oeyvind Brandtsegg 
Subject: Re: detonate sequences/krapmatter

Peter Nyboer wrote:

> I would like to playback a sequence with 3 streams of controller data and
> some note info, and be able to vary the tempo in real time.  It seems
> simple, but the seq object won't cut it since I can vary the tempo only at
> the start of playback.  detonate seems promising, but I can't record
> continuous streams of controller info (or can I?).

You can assign the inlets 2-7 of detonate to record any stream of values,
you can separate different input streams by recording them onto separate
tracks (specified with inlet 5).
Hope this helps.

Cheers
Oeyvind Brandtsegg

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Date:    Fri, 4 Dec 1998 12:59:22 +0100
From:    Peter Castine 
Subject: Re: detonate sequences

On around Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:51:24 -0700, Peter Nyboer
 said something like:

>I would like to playback a sequence with 3 streams of controller data and
>some note info, and be able to vary the tempo in real time.  It seems
>simple, but the seq object won't cut it since I can vary the tempo only at
>the start of playback.
[schnipp]

Odd. I have a very clear recollection of using seq for precisely that
purpose. I sent it hook messages while playing. To accelerate I sent hook
1.0605; for a _poco rit._ I sent hook with the multiplicative inverse of
1.0605 (the fact that I remember the numbers--they were chosen for a
particular association, which participants of the 1992 Darmstadt Summer
Course or the 1988 ICMC might possibly recognize--is some indication that
my memory is still functioning).

Of course, this was with the 68k version. But I can hardly imagine that
its behavior would have changed so radically in the last six years.

Or, am I missing something?

Cheers,

Peter

----------------- http://www.prz.tu-berlin.de/~pcastine/ -----------------
Dr. Peter Castine          | I am very pleased to announce that the
4-15 Music & Technology    | 26th International Computer Music Conference
                           | will take place in Berlin in the year 2000.
                           | We look forward to seeing you here!

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Date:    Fri, 4 Dec 1998 08:46:26 -0000
From:    Kurt Ralske 
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 2 Dec 1998 to 3 Dec 1998 (#1998-89)

>From:    Peter Nyboer 
>Subject: detonate sequences/krapmatter
>
>I would like to playback a sequence with 3 streams of controller data and
>some note info, and be able to vary the tempo in real time.  It seems
>simple, but the seq object won't cut it since I can vary the tempo only at
>the start of playback.  detonate seems promising, but I can't record
>continuous streams of controller info (or can I?).  Any other MIDI file
>playback objects that I should be aware of?

maybe try: record as seq -- then use setclock (in multiplicative mode)
to control timeline

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Date:    Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:02:48 -0800
From:    Peter Nyboer 
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 2 Dec 1998 to 3 Dec 1998 (#1998-89)

>There are 7 messages totalling 192 lines in this issue.
>
>Topics of the day:
>
>  1. sense object, come home! (2)
>  2. 
>  3. CW Pro
>  4. videograb?
>  5. detonate sequences/krapmatter (2)
>
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>Date:    Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:51:02 +0100
>From:    Matthew Ostrowski 
>Subject: sense object, come home!
>
>Does anyone know of any object, or any clever trick, that does what the old
>68k "sense" object does?  (attach it to an output, it returns 1 if
>something is going on, & 0 if not?)  I miss it.
>
>\M
>
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>
>Date:    Thu, 3 Dec 1998 08:35:41 -0600
>From:    =cw4t7abs 
>Subject: 
>
>>I'll edit this and forward to Unauthorized Max FAQ.
>
>
>+ !t = hopd adtl l!fe 4rmz w!ll z!mpl! !gnore
>+ rezolv mattr v!a prznl pref f!le
>
>
>
>\\ modl_c!t!zenz ++
> [
>   ]
>   \\ k rp rate fasc!zm[]   {
>                             v2 ,
>                             !rat!onal.org ,
>                             hell.kom ,
>                             pr!x arz ,
>                             xchange ,
>                             nett!me ,
>                             b!as
>                                    }      //  + rezolv mattr v!a prznl
>pref f!le
>
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>
>Date:    Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:27:52 -0500
>From:    Stephen Kay 
>Subject: sense object, come home!
>
>Matthew Ostrowski:
>>Does anyone know of any object, or any clever trick, that does what the
>old
>>68k "sense" object does?  (attach it to an output, it returns 1 if
>>something is going on, & 0 if not?)  I miss it.
>
>It's easy to duplicate 'sense' with a delay object.  Since delay,
>when retriggered, does not send any output until it has not been
>retriggered for "n" ms.  Here's an example patcher which duplicates
>the functionality of sense.
>
>max v2;
>#N vpatcher 312 113 712 413;
>#P newex 25 175 27 196617 1;
>#P newex 61 175 27 196617 0;
>#P newex 61 151 42 196617 del 100;
>#P button 25 126 15 0;
>#P newex 25 200 40 196617 change;
>#P newex 25 224 30 196617 print;
>#P user uslider 71 57 16 56 128 1 0 0;
>#P toggle 66 225 15 0;
>#P connect 4 0 7 0;
>#P connect 4 0 5 0;
>#P connect 5 0 6 0;
>#P connect 7 0 3 0;
>#P connect 6 0 3 0;
>#P connect 3 0 2 0;
>#P connect 3 0 0 0;
>#P connect 1 0 4 0;
>#P pop;
>
>Stephen Kay
>---------------------- The MegaMAX Collection ----------------------
> Over 30 Max objects for the creation of more professional looking, =
>
>         feeling, and functioning patchers and applications.
>           http://www.musikinetix.com/MegaMax/MegaMax.html
>------------------------ Free Max objects! -------------------------
>       http://www.musikinetix.com/MaxCorner/PublicDomain.html
>--------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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>
>Date:    Fri, 4 Dec 1998 02:14:57 +0900
>From:    Takahiko Suzuki 
>Subject: CW Pro
>
>Has anyone encountered a problem with an msp object built with CodeWarrior
>Pro? What will be the possible problem, DZ?
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Takahiko Suzuki
>
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>
>Date:    Thu, 3 Dec 1998 21:30:17 +0300
>From:    subcontrol@MUU.AUTONO.NET
>Subject: videograb?
>
>Hello,
>
>any object that makes possible realtime imagegrab from video source?
>like msp record~ but for video which then could be played with movie
object?
>
>jukka
>
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>Date:    Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:51:24 -0700
>From:    Peter Nyboer 
>Subject: detonate sequences/krapmatter
>
>I would like to playback a sequence with 3 streams of controller data and
>some note info, and be able to vary the tempo in real time.  It seems
>simple, but the seq object won't cut it since I can vary the tempo only at
>the start of playback.  detonate seems promising, but I can't record
>continuous streams of controller info (or can I?).  Any other MIDI file
>playback objects that I should be aware of?
>
>Peter.
>
>
>
>krapmatter:
>
>> human perception of colour changes during lifetime.
>>    as children eyes focus on a greater amount of blue tinge
>>    when older when eyes focus more on brown tinge.
>>    during our life the brain compensates and humans do not notice.
>>    very evident in paintings by monet before and after he had cateracts
>>    removed
>
>Thank you, antiorp, for this information.  Now I can use it to subtly
>manipulate buyers in different age demographics, and further my amerikan
>kapitalist agenda.  You will buy, and you don't know why....
>
>
>Peter Nyboer
>pnyboer@sirius.com
>
>http://www.loop.com/~pnyboer/
>--home of Slambassador multimedia gallery--
>
>http://www.loop.com/~pnyboer/product
>--product prototype!--
>
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>Date:    Thu, 3 Dec 1998 22:53:58 +0000
>From:    Ed Hartley 
>Subject: Re: detonate sequences/krapmatter
>
>Peter Nyboer wrote:
>
>> I would like to playback a sequence with 3 streams of controller data and
>> some note info, and be able to vary the tempo in real time.  It seems
>> simple, but the seq object won't cut it since I can vary the tempo only
at
>> the start of playback.  detonate seems promising, but I can't record
>> continuous streams of controller info (or can I?).  Any other MIDI file
>> playback objects that I should be aware of?
>
>If you're not trying to read Standard MIDI Files, you could easily rig
>something up with a metro, a counter, and a few funbuffs. If you need SMF
>capability, mabye you could read it in with seq and then parse the data to
>the funbuffs.
>
>Ed hartley
>
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>End of MAX Digest - 2 Dec 1998 to 3 Dec 1998 (#1998-89)
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Peter Nyboer
pnyboer@sirius.com

http://www.loop.com/~pnyboer/
--home of Slambassador multimedia gallery--

http://www.loop.com/~pnyboer/product
--product prototype!--

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Date:    Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:03:14 -0800
From:    Peter Nyboer 
Subject: Re: detonate sequences

Peter Castatine wrote....
>Odd. I have a very clear recollection of using seq for precisely that
>purpose. I sent it hook messages while playing....(the fact that I
>remember the numbers--...--is some indication that
>my memory is still functioning).

Ahh, the hook.  It's been much less than six years since I used that
message, which can give you some indication of how my memory functions!
Unfortunately, the help file doesn't mention that message, and my manual is
in the depths of my boxes from moving.  Anyway, thanks for the tip.
Hopefully, the hook message will allow satisfactory continuous control of
tempo (though, the parts of my memory that work say that it won't...).

In going though the multitudes of past digests that I haven't read in the
past months, I saw some talk of people using G3 upgrade cards in 7100s.
Anyone care to share experiences with them?  Do they make msp viable?  Can
you get simultaneous in/out with an AMII card (I read something on the c'74
site that you can only have in or out)?  I have one on the way (a Sonnet
card) that I'm going to play with, so I'll post any findings in the next
cupl-a-weeks...

P.

Peter Nyboer
pnyboer@sirius.com

http://www.loop.com/~pnyboer/
--home of Slambassador multimedia gallery--

http://www.loop.com/~pnyboer/product
--product prototype!--

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Date:    Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:39:02 -0500
From:    Chris Murtagh 
Subject: *New* MAX listserv www pages

Greetings Maxers,

 The MAX listserv www pages are up and running. Here you will be able to
find info and FAQ regarding the MAX listserv as well as a few other things
of interest to the MAX community such as:

- An FTP site which will soon contain public domain software. With
permission, I would like to mirror other pub. domain FTP sites (MAX, MSP,
and MIDI/music related), if you have such a site and/or public domain
software you want to be mirrored, please let me know.

- A Subscriber's www pages section. This will allow for members of the MAX
listserv to post their own page. This gives subscribers a chance to show
off their work and interests and/or have links to their main site. All
members pages are welcome - commercial, academic or otherwise (with a few
very minor, obvious restrictions, see site for details).

- Listserv options pages. Did you know that you have some useful options on
how you receive the MAX listserv? Check out this page to see how you can
benefit.

- Links to other sites that are MAX and MSP related.

 The pages are currently in 'just made' stage, and hopefully will grow and
change to suit the needs of MAX community. I'm always open to suggestions,
comments and *gasp* criticism. Please email me at my McGill
 account if you have any comments.

 The URL for the MAX listserv pages is:

http://www.music.mcgill.ca/~chris

NOTE: La traduction francaise sera la dans les prochaines jours, SVP
excusez les delais.

Happy Maxing,

Christopher Murtagh

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Date:    Fri, 4 Dec 1998 18:06:52 -0500
From:    Eric Singer 
Subject: Re: detonate sequences/krapmatter

>I would like to playback a sequence with 3 streams of controller data and
>some note info, and be able to vary the tempo in real time.  It seems
>simple, but the seq object won't cut it since I can vary the tempo only at
>the start of playback.  detonate seems promising, but I can't record
>continuous streams of controller info (or can I?).  Any other MIDI file
>playback objects that I should be aware of?

My object SeqPlayer will allow you to do this.  I haven't updated it to a
FAT version of it yet, though (maybe if enough people bug me :-) but it
will still work in the 68k version.  You can get it from
http://ericsinger.com

Eric

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