Subject: MAX Digest - 18 Nov 1998 to 19 Nov 1998 (#1998-75)
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There are 13 messages totalling 475 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Responses to multiple questions and some shameless publicity, to boot!
  2. query - graphics in Max (2)
  3. Trautonium for MAX?
  4. Hard drive death and other MacOS 8.1 copy-protection questions
  5. Outdoor installation
  6. MAX Digest - 17 Nov 1998 to 18 Nov 1998 (#1998-74)
  7. graphics in Max
  8. Copy of original file crashes entire G3 powerbook
  9. Richard Dudas's  MSP 'NightSchool Example Patches'?
 10. PCMCIA again
 11. Another CD?
 12. Outtahere

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Date:    Wed, 18 Nov 1998 22:26:36 -0800
From:    dudas 
Subject: Responses to multiple questions and some shameless publicity, to
boot!

The MaxMSP Night School patches which were made by a host of Max-ers known
to this list (including myself). The following blurb explains all:

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CNMAT hosted a week-long night school in July of 1998 on Max and MSP.  The
instructors were David Zicarelli, David Wessel, Leslie Stuck, Richard Dudas,
and Matthew Wright.

Many example patches were written for and during the class.  The classroom
was
equipped with a projection system for the computer screen, so these patches
were shown running live, and the instructors explained the patches during
each
class.  Some of the patches were built on the fly during each class.  CNMAT
made these patches available for download, mostly as a service to the
students.

Keep in mind that these are not tutortials.  They're basically undocumented
and terse.  You would understand them a lot better if you had been in the
class!

They are available from the CNMAT WWW site:

http://cnmat.CNMAT.Berkeley.EDU/MAX/NightSchool/

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as for the expr~ object, it does say "really inefficent" in the so-called
"help" patch and the object seems pretty dodgy to say the least.  Still,
there are sources provided, and these show that the object uses Max's
built-in access to the expr object, which could be a source of the
problem... like maybe this function should not be called from within a dsp
routine??? I don't know, does anyone else?

Anyway, it is important to remember that "unsupported objects" are provided
"as-is", and if they don't work correctly, one should probably avoid using
them. And write to the list or contact their author, when possible.

it looks like someone needs to write floor~ and cieling~ objects for
truncating or rounding signal values to the nearest whole number.

Next, if any of you are going to be in the vicinity of Paris this upcoming
weekend, I would suggest stopping by IRCAM on Sunday Nov 22 to hear the two
yearly concerts of music by the "cursus" students.  The compositions on the
concert were made as the "finmal project" of a one-year course in
computer-music (for lack of a better term).  I believe all of this year's
compositions use Max to varying degrees, and many of them rely heavily on
MSP (instead of the old NeXT/ISPW) for live signal processing.

Please see the following URL for info:

http://www.ircam.fr/departements/creation/saison/98_11_22-e.html

bzzt.

-R

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Date:    Thu, 19 Nov 1998 08:47:06 +0100
From:    Jeffrey Burns 
Subject: query - graphics in Max

>I'm a relative newbie to Max, but determined to try to use it to control
>playback of image files...  I'm running into limitations with the standard
>fpic and pict objects.
>
>Rather than waste anyone's time explaining the details, I'll just ask -
>does anyone know of a different object that can be used to display
>graphics files (can be any format)?
>
>At the moment the only way I can see to do what I want to do is to convert
>these images into qt movies...

Yes, converting the images to cuties is the best way. This can be done
quickly using the shareware ConvertToMovie=81. Put all the pict files in one
folder and put their names in the desired order, for example, face.001,
face.002, face.003 ...face.999. Then run the ConvertToMovie=81 application.

Jeff Burns

http://www.snafu.de/~jeff

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Date:    Thu, 19 Nov 1998 10:41:37 +0100
From:    Peter Castine 
Subject: Re: Trautonium for MAX?

On around Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:23:22 +0100, Thorsten Olscha
 said something like:

>Ich just read a book from Martin Supper (org. Titel: Elektroakustoische
>Musik und Computermusik) "Elektronic Music and Computermusic. I think
>the Book is only available in German.

TTBOMK 'tis so. IMHO it would be valuable if Martin could find publishers
& translators for English and Japanese. I suspect the main issue is
finding publishers.

>On pages 90/91 Supper says:
>"The Structure of MAX is such wide that you can solve every interactive
>problems und many progams that existited before MAX can be replace by MAX.
>The Realisation of Pierre Boulez "Dialog de L=A5Ombre Double" as well as a
>complete Simulation of the Trautonium was rewritten in MAX."

Rather a rough translation, that, but never mind. One gets the general
gist.

>So my Question:
>Where is this patch available?

If you look at the text of the footnote to the cited paragraph (No. 121,
p. 145), you'll see the answer to your question:

J=F6rg Spix, "Das digitale Trautonium." (The digital Trautonium.) Thesis
[Preliminary M.Sc.], Carl von Ossietzky University at Osnabrueck,
Germany, Division 10 (Computer Science), Dept. of Applied Computer
Science. Advisor: Prof. Jensch. 1995.

J=F6rg reads the list and may wish to respond.

----------------- http://www.prz.tu-berlin.de/~pcastine/ -----------------
Dr. Peter Castine          | I am very pleased to announce that the
4-15 Music & Technology    | 26th International Computer Music Conference
                           | will take place in Berlin in the year 2000.
                           | We look forward to seeing you here!

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Date:    Thu, 19 Nov 1998 08:54:24 -0500
From:    Jeremy Bernstein 
Subject: Re: Hard drive death and other MacOS 8.1 copy-protection questions

What formatting software are you using?  I had a catastrophic crash (also
in 8.1) when I formatted my internal drive with FWB's HDT 2.5.2 IDE driver.
BLAM!  Make sure you do a low level format with Drive Setup.  By the way,
Max's authorization will survive a low level format.  I don't get it myself.

Also, you CAN authorize an HFS+ hard drive.  No problem.

Jeremy

"The collage technique ... is the most important innovation in the art  of
this century.  Found objects, chance creations, ready-mades ... abolish the
separation between art and life.  The commonplace is miraculous if rightly
seen, if recognized."  Charles Simic, Dime-Store Alchemy: The Art of Joseph
Cornell.

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Date:    Thu, 19 Nov 1998 15:51:37 +0200
From:    Eirik Lie 
Subject: Re: Outdoor installation

Hello,

Thank you for all your suggestions on equipment for my outdoor
installation. Sorry I haven't had the time to answer before now.
I have looked into some of the options, but my demands seem to fall
somewhere between the chairs. While Richmond's Audio Box, Alcorn's Digital
Binloop, and LCS's SuperNova all seem to be excellent products, they are a
bit overkill because I don't need 16 separate in/outs, just a modest stereo
pair. On the other hand, I need precise real-time control of pitch,
volumes, envelopes, filters and more, as you find it on most synths and
samplers. The idea is that the combined movements of the installation
should generate ever changing sounds, thus the simple replay of prerecorded
audio is not an option.

>On Sat, 31 Oct 1998 19:43:25 +0200, Eirik Lie wrote:
>
>>I am about to make sound and/or music for a permanent
>>outdoor installation here in Oslo, Norway. We are a little
>>in doubt what equipment to use for the project.
>
>What you are describing is a "classical" industrial installation.  I would
>avoid all manner of "semi-professional" equipment, and this would include
>any PC or Mac computer, and any sampler of which I'm aware.

I'm not too afraid of that. After all, this is quite a harmless
installation. No one will get hurt, and no building will burn down if the
system fails. I am willing to reboot the system once a month if I will gain
artistic value. After having tossed some ideas around for a while, I'm
leaning towards the sampler option. The problem then will be the hard disk
storage of the sounds.

>We don't have any concerns about the Flash SCSI hard drive though
>since it is available in a military spec version for use in space vehicles
>(-55C and below).

Where can I find a flash SCSI hard drive? I know there are flash PCMCIA
cards, but I will need flash memory that appeares to be a normal SCSI hard
drive from the sampler's point of view. The price is also a concern, of
course, but I don't need 2gigs of storage. 10megs may be sufficient (does
anyone remember the 10meg hard disks? They seemed to solve your storage
problems forever!).
Also, I will need a standalone RS232->MIDI converter. The ones I know need
to be run on a PC.

Thanks,

Eirik Lie, Bjornerabben 9, N-0383 Oslo, Norway
Email: eirikli@notam.uio.no   -   Tel +47 22 50 23 14
Check out my CD "12 Bilder": http://home.sol.no/home/eiriklie/Visual.html

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Date:    Thu, 19 Nov 1998 10:14:38 -0500
From:    Michael Sweet 
Subject: Re: query - graphics in Max

Jesse Gilbert wrote:

>
> I'm a relative newbie to Max, but determined to try to use it to control
> playback of image files...  I'm running into limitations with the standard
> fpic and pict objects.
>
> Rather than waste anyone's time explaining the details, I'll just ask -
> does anyone know of a different object that can be used to display
> graphics files (can be any format)?
>
> At the moment the only way I can see to do what I want to do is to convert
> these images into qt movies...
>

You can try and use the max pics animation object which supports multiple
frames in
a file but I think still is confined to 256 colors.

My recommendation is to switch everything from pict/pics to qt right away.
Then
you won't have to live in the max pics 256 color world anymore.  The movie
objects
are very efficient.  QT 3.0 does support sprites and matting although the
max movie
objects would have to be re-written to take advantage of these new features.

You can use a program like GraphicConverter/Debabalizer to do your
conversions.
Pics animation files are also difficult for most programs to deal with
anyway, so
converting to QT might make production easier.

--Michael Sweet

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Date:    Thu, 19 Nov 1998 07:10:00 -0800
From:    Jim Wood 
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 17 Nov 1998 to 18 Nov 1998 (#1998-74)

QUestion?
1. Envelopes
Id like to have a window like the  table object that
could write samples into a buffer~ to produce an
envelope such as Hamming etc. In SuperCollider ther
is  a window which lets you draw envelopes.
Is it possible to convert output of the table object
into signal to write into buffer~, using peek~.
This is what I have been trying to do. Is it possible??

2.Video Buffer
If you took video input into Max is there such a
thing as a video buffer, would this work? Does anyone
have experience of video-capture in Max, I recall
mention of this some month or so ago.

Any ideas greatly appreciated.

Jim Y-Wood
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Date:    Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:01:28 +0000
From:    Michael Kieslinger 
Subject: Re: graphics in Max

>Date:    Wed, 18 Nov 1998 19:26:06 -0500
>From:    Jesse Gilbert 
>does anyone know of a different object that can be used to display
>graphics files (can be any format)?

there is an object called "UIMgr" by g=FCnter obiltschnig. you can get infos
and download it from this page:
http://www.tk.uni-linz.ac.at/~gueob/software.html

michael

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Date:    Thu, 19 Nov 1998 14:11:27 -0500
From:    Greg Hall 
Subject: Copy of original file crashes entire G3 powerbook

Copy of original file crashes entire G3 powerbook:

a strange persistent bug:
Had a powerbook 165 running max 3.0.  When I would copy a file, open and
try to run the copy, 70% of the time my 165 would crash.  Figured it was
the old 8MB ram computer.
Recently purchased a G3 powerbook, 96 MB ram, max 3.5.9.  Still have the
problem (crashes ENTIRE computer).
What's up?  thanks, greg

ghall@bangor.autometric.com

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Date:    Thu, 19 Nov 1998 11:14:50 -0800
From:    Matt Wright 
Subject: Re: Richard Dudas's  MSP 'NightSchool Example Patches'?

Neville John Cross  wonders:

>Could anyone tell me where to download  Richard Dudas's  MSP
>'NightSchool Example Patches' - I looked on IRCAM's ftp but can't seem to
>find them. Are they called something else?

Max/MSP Nightschool was a class taught at CNMAT in July of 1998 by David
Zicarelli, David Wessel, Leslie Stuck, Richard Dudas, and Matthew Wright.

Many example patches were written for and during the class.  The classroom
was
equipped with a projection system for the computer screen, so these patches
were shown running live, and the instructors explained the patches during
each
class.  Some of the patches were built on the fly during each class.  CNMAT
made these patches available for download, mostly as a service to the
students.

Examples include additive synthesis, FM, sample playback synthesis, granular
synthesis, looping, Karplus/Strong waveguides, event/signal conversions,
real-time sampling, frequency domain fun, convolution, and all kinds of Max
tricks for complexity control, dealing with lists, etc.

Keep in mind that these are not tutortials.  They're basically undocumented
and terse.  You would understand them a lot better if you had been in the
class!

They are available from the CNMAT WWW site:

http://cnmat.CNMAT.Berkeley.EDU/MAX/NightSchool/

-Matt

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Date:    Thu, 19 Nov 1998 22:13:30 +0100
From:    Matthew Ostrowski 
Subject: PCMCIA again

I'm sure this has come up before sometime when I was napping, but does
anyone know if ther exists a PCMCIA card that is ONLY digital I/0, no A/D
d/A?

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Date:    Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:29:11 EST
From:    "SETA,MICHAL,MR" 
Subject: Another CD?

>------------------------------
>
>Date:    Thu, 19 Nov 1998 08:26:13 +1000
>From:    David Rodger 
>Subject: Re: m!lj =?iso-8859-1?Q?=F6zk?= ad ad
>
>>1 adjekt!v = hungr!.
>>1 hungr! mathemat!c!an eatz w!ldl!
>>1 rabb!t hopz ku!kl!
>>dze large mathemat!c!an falz s lou l!
>>1 kap!tal!zt sellz nounz
>>1 adverb ztepz on 1 kap!tal!zt
>[...]
>>Bottom line - kap!tal!zt propaganda
>
>Antiorp must have a new CD coming out.
>
Looking forward to that !!!!
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Subject: Outtahere
>
>
>Say, can any of you fine gurus tell me how I can get myself removed from
>this amazing listserv?
>
>Any help would be mighty appreciated. Feel free to use any mutated
>derivative of any language you choose.
>
>Thank you profusely.
>
Wyslij wiadomosc na dres na poczatku tego dokumentu
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on cie bedzie mogl odlaczyc.

Powodzenia

Michal

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Date:    Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:32:22 -0500
From:    Chris Murtagh 
Subject: Re: Outtahere

From: "Robert Fahrner" , on 11/18/98 11:46 PM:
>Say, can any of you fine gurus tell me how
>I can get myself removed from this amazing listserv?

Leave my amazing listserv? Why would you want to do that? :)

 For the rest of you, if you have any problems unsubscribing, subscribing,
filtering unwanted messages etc. You can always email me at
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From: "SETA,MICHAL,MR" , on 11/19/98 4:29 PM:
>Jesli to nie zadziala wyslij wiadomosc do chris@music.mcgill.ca
>on cie bedzie mogl odlaczyc.

er.. yeah. What he said. :)

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