Subject: MAX Digest - 17 Nov 1998 to 18 Nov 1998 (#1998-74)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 00:00:05 -0500
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There are 14 messages totalling 411 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. aebang (FAT) crashes Hypercard
  2. Trautonium for MAX?
  3. Richard Dudas's  MSP 'NightSchool Example Patches'?
  4. Larray (3)
  5. MAX Digest - 16 Nov 1998 to 17 Nov 1998 (#1998-73)
  6. sensors sensors sensors
  7. (semi-off topic) Hard drive death and other MacOS 8.1 copy-protection
     questions
  8. (semi-off topic) Hard drive death and other MacOS 8.1  copy-protection
     questions
  9. m!lj =?iso-8859-1?Q?=F6zk?= ad ad
 10. algo rabbit-hutch-music
 11. query - graphics in Max
 12. Outtahere

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Date:    Wed, 18 Nov 1998 11:08:44 +0100
From:    "Dr. Karlheinz Essl" 
Subject: Re: aebang (FAT) crashes Hypercard

Dear Maxers, dear David Z.!

A week ago I was reporting the following problem.

> Since my beloved (and badly needed) aebang object has been FATtened
> thanks to the efforts of our dear MC David Z., it behaves very
> strangly. Compiling a FAT stand-alone app which contains this object
> would inevitably crash it whenever an AppleEvent is sent to it from
> HyperCard. This error does not occur when the compilation only contains
> 68k code...

Now I noticed that whenever I send an AppleEvent ("bang") from HyperCard to
MAX (68k), it displays the following cryptic lines:

        typeCode shor size 2 3
        typeCode ssid size 4

What does this mean? (I mean, is it mean?)

Regards,

   Dr. Karlheinz Essl - Composer
   Vienna / Austria
   Studio for Advanced Music & Media Technology
   http://www.essl.at/

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Date:    Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:23:22 +0100
From:    Thorsten Olscha 
Subject: Trautonium for MAX?

Ich just read a book from Martin Supper (org. Titel: Elektroakustoische
Musik und Computermusik) "Elektronic Music and Computermusic. I think
the Book is only available in German. On pages 90/91 Supper says:
"The Structure of MAX is such wide that you can solve every interactive
problems und many progams that existited before MAX can be replace by MAX.
The Realisation of Pierre Boulez "Dialog de L´Ombre Double" as well as a
complete Simulation of the Trautonium was rewritten in MAX."
So my Question:
Where is this patch available?
Thorsten Olscha
---
http://www.cybele.de/artists/olscha/ouverprob.html

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Date:    Wed, 18 Nov 1998 11:42:13 +0000
From:    Neville John Cross 
Subject: Richard Dudas's  MSP 'NightSchool Example Patches'?

Could anyone tell me where to download  Richard Dudas's  MSP
'NightSchool Example Patches' - I looked on IRCAM's ftp but can't seem to
find them.Are they called something else?
Regards,
NJC

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Date:    Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:49:33 +0100
From:    Peter Castine 
Subject: Re: Larray

Ed Hartley asks:
>When using the Larray object, sending it a "write" message with an
arguement
>will save a data file with that name in the Max application folder, without
>bringing up the standard "Save As" dialog. This is good for automating data
>storage, but I'd like to be able to specify the folder that data is saved
>into. Is there any way to change that default path?

Have you tried specifying a path in the write message? Something like

     write 'my hard disk:my folder:my subfolder:my file name'

Enclose the message in apostrophes (or quotes) to avoid parsing of blanks
(or else you have to escape the blanks, which can get ugly). Check your
friendly copy of Inside Macintosh for the complete file path
specification syntax.

Hope this helps. Caveat: I haven't tried it yet, but any object that
doesn't give you Standard File dialogs ought to at least let you specify
paths.

Cheers,

Peter

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                           | We look forward to seeing you here!

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Date:    Wed, 18 Nov 1998 08:32:34 -0800
From:    Jon Christopher Nelson 
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 16 Nov 1998 to 17 Nov 1998 (#1998-73)

Just curious to know if anyone is working on a more efficient expr~ object
for
MSP???  Oddly enough, I am interested in converting a float to an integer in
the signal domain to add some additional capability to a little wave terrain
synthesizer I have pulled together.  Any suggestions other than just
whipping
together a new object (just lazy in TX)?

thanks,
Jon

Jon Christopher Nelson, Director
CEMI: Center for Experimental Music and Intermedia
University of North Texas College of Music
PO Box 311367
Denton, TX 76203-1367
ph. (940) 369-7531
fax (940) 565-2002
jnelson@sndart.cemi.unt.edu

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Date:    Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:47:17 EST
From:    "SETA,MICHAL,MR" 
Subject: sensors sensors sensors

many snips
>Eamonn Doyle wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jeff
>>
>> I read your posting to the max list about the Basic Stamp II last
>> month.   I am involved in a theatre project which will use max,
>> somehow interfaced to the movements of an actress.
>
>You might be interested in Mark Coniglio's work with dancers wearing
>resistive bend-sensors: http://www.art.net/~troika - he uses a
>custom-made 6811 system and software though, not the Stamp or Max.
>
[...]
>been able to find so far. You have to keep in mind that the output is
>very non-linear, so you'll need to make some kind of conversion equation
>or table in software - see the Stamp application note on reading
>temperature sensors. Personally, I'm still using potentiometers with
>sticks on them...not pretty, but cheap and linear.
>>
>
[...]
>A third option might be to use fibre-optic cables, like in the "real"
>data gloves. Theoretically you just stick an LED on one end and sense
[..]
>
[...]
>The Stamp has a command for reading resistive sensors via a simple R/C
>timing circuit, so you could read 10 FSR's or the above bend-strips
>
[...]
>You can't do it with Max, you need to use the PC app. Don't bother
>buying their "developer's kit" - you can download everything from their
>much nicer to have a dedicated PC for it.
>
[...]

1 more solution:
Very Nervous System from David Rokeby.
1.  interfaces with max
2.  no need for sensors/cables
3.  extremely flexible
         however
4.  quite costly.

MiS

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Date:    Wed, 18 Nov 1998 14:42:56 -0600
From:    "Pablo Silva-Escuela Nacional de Musica, UNAM"
         
Subject: (semi-off topic) Hard drive death and other MacOS 8.1
copy-protection
         questions

Hello Maxers:

Two questions...

A) After experiencing my second catastrophic hard drive crash in a month
yesterday night, I was wondering whether anyone here has had any trouble
like this after upgrading to System 8.1?? The ironic part of this last
crash was that I lost all my data and installs 10 minutes after verifying
the integrity of my drive (old HFS) with Apple's First Aid utility (8.1
too, of course...) Is there any problem with System 8.1 that people are
aware of in regards to this? Something seems to be messing around
seriously with the catalog and Btree files.

B) Is it possible to install copy protection (Max 3.5.8, system 8 disk) on
the new HFS+ formatted drives safely??

Thanks for the feedback

Pablo Silva

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Date:    Wed, 18 Nov 1998 13:12:45 -0800
From:    Martin Gotfrit 
Subject: Re: (semi-off topic) Hard drive death and other MacOS 8.1
         copy-protection questions

Re: 8.1 - I had severe problems with 8.1 as well - so I'm back w/8.until I
have the time to move to 8.5. (G3 233)

Martin.

_________________________________________________________
Martin Gotfrit * Associate Professor, Music Area
School for the Contemporary Arts, Simon Fraser University
Burnaby, B.C. Canada  V5A 1S6
* 604 291 3517 * fax 291 5907 *

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Date:    Wed, 18 Nov 1998 13:16:25 -0800
From:    Peter Elsea 
Subject: Larray

From:    Ed Hartley asks

>When using the Larray object, sending it a "write" message with an
arguement
>will save a data file with that name in the Max application folder, without
>bringing up the standard "Save As" dialog. This is good for automating data
>storage, but I'd like to be able to specify the folder that data is saved
>into. Is there any way to change that default path?

Yes- a little known fact is that Macintosh allows you to specify filepaths
sort of like brand W systems. So if you tell Larray [write
drivename:somefolder:somefilename] it will wind up in that folder. You can
also specify ::somefolder:filename and it will look in the folder one up
from the current one for somefolder. But it won't find folders with spaces
in the name, like System Folder. (Like I said, brand W)

Peter Elsea
Electronic Music Studios
University of California, Santa Cruz
http://arts.ucsc.edu/EMS/Music/index.html
 elsea@cats.ucsc.edu

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Date:    Thu, 19 Nov 1998 08:26:13 +1000
From:    David Rodger 
Subject: Re: m!lj =?iso-8859-1?Q?=F6zk?= ad ad

>1 adjekt!v = hungr!.
>1 hungr! mathemat!c!an eatz w!ldl!
>1 rabb!t hopz ku!kl!
>dze large mathemat!c!an falz s lou l!
>1 kap!tal!zt sellz nounz
>1 adverb ztepz on 1 kap!tal!zt
[...]
>Bottom line - kap!tal!zt propaganda

Antiorp must have a new CD coming out.

David Rodger:   Audio Engineering; Pool Operations; Aquatics Training
EMAIL: auricle@alphalink.com.au    WEB: www.alphalink.com.au/~auricle
RESEARCH -- Motion Capture in Music --  farben.latrobe.edu.au/motion/
ADZOHU -- Music and Dance from Ghana -- www.alphalink.com.au/~adzohu/
=====================================================================
"I'm concerned about reproduction above 20kHz, because I want to make
sure I'm not depriving my dog of a complete listening experience when
I leave the stereo on...."                            -- Matt Barstow

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Date:    Thu, 19 Nov 1998 07:55:54 +0000
From:    BUYO-BUYO-IGOR 
Subject: algo rabbit-hutch-music

this might be not what you've been asking about...but...hope some MAXERs get
interested in subscribing to....
Rabbit-Hutch-Music-Orchestra is a world -wide-network oriented microtuned
music
co-creating activity...we have a mailing list to talk about plans to create
materials together...algo-max-microtone kind of people are very very
welcome!

please visit:

http://people.goplay.com/webdj/rhm.html

 to get subscribed

> Date:    Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:42:22 -0000
> From:    Jamie Bullock 
> Subject: [off topic] algo-comp mailing list
>
> Does have any information about the 'algo-comp' mailing list? I have heard
> rumours about its existence, but no-one has ever given me a
current/working
> subscriptions address...
>
> Thanks in advance,

----------------
BUYO-BUYO-IGOR
mizumushi@bigfoot.com
http://i.am/sarigama

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Date:    Wed, 18 Nov 1998 19:26:06 -0500
From:    Jesse Gilbert 
Subject: query - graphics in Max

Hello all -

I'm a relative newbie to Max, but determined to try to use it to control
playback of image files...  I'm running into limitations with the standard
fpic and pict objects.

Rather than waste anyone's time explaining the details, I'll just ask -
does anyone know of a different object that can be used to display
graphics files (can be any format)?

At the moment the only way I can see to do what I want to do is to convert
these images into qt movies...

Thanks, Jesse Gilbert

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Date:    Wed, 18 Nov 1998 22:38:47 +0000
From:    Ed Hartley 
Subject: Re: Larray

Thanks, Peter (Peter Castine as well). If anyone else wants to know, I
figured
out that if you need to access paths with spaces in them, all you need is
what I
think are called "smart quotes." (option+] and option+shift+]) The message
to
Larray, then, looks like this:

write 'myharddisk:folder1:second folder:subfolder:one more folder:filename'

Thanks again, Peter(s), now I've got to get busy pushing all those 0's and
1's
around my studio.

Ed Hartley

Peter Elsea wrote:

> From:    Ed Hartley asks
>
> >When using the Larray object, sending it a "write" message with an
arguement
> >will save a data file with that name in the Max application folder,
without
> >bringing up the standard "Save As" dialog. This is good for automating
data
> >storage, but I'd like to be able to specify the folder that data is saved
> >into. Is there any way to change that default path?
>
> Yes- a little known fact is that Macintosh allows you to specify filepaths
> sort of like brand W systems. So if you tell Larray [write
> drivename:somefolder:somefilename] it will wind up in that folder. You can
> also specify ::somefolder:filename and it will look in the folder one up
> from the current one for somefolder. But it won't find folders with spaces
> in the name, like System Folder. (Like I said, brand W)

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Date:    Wed, 18 Nov 1998 22:46:08 -0600
From:    Robert Fahrner 
Subject: Outtahere

Howdy folks!

Say, can any of you fine gurus tell me how I can get myself removed from
this amazing listserv?

Any help would be mighty appreciated. Feel free to use any mutated
derivative of any language you choose.

Thank you profusely.

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