Subject: MAX Digest - 16 Nov 1998 to 17 Nov 1998 (#1998-73)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 00:00:00 -0500
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There are 10 messages totalling 586 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. m!lj =?iso-8859-1?Q?=F6zk?= ad ad
  2. Revised MSP ASIO support
  3. max zrvr
  4. MAXplay and saving (2)
  5. max + powerbook sleep
  6. incoming
  7. iMac with MAX/MSP/OMS... (2)
  8. Larray

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Date:    Tue, 17 Nov 1998 00:39:42 -0600
From:    =cw4t7abs 
Subject: m!lj =?iso-8859-1?Q?=F6zk?= ad ad

>Date:    Mon, 16 Nov 1998 23:34:23 -0500
>From:    Johnny DeKam 

>Now for the pitch...

 Now for the pitch... I'm looking for2.4688720703125     >

7.293701171875          D
7.415771484375          a
4.991455078125       t
9.2626953125            e
2.705078125     :
0.0677490234375   M
1.7840576171875    o
6.873779296875         n
6.5753173828125         ,
9.5098876953125            1
7.47039794921875          6
4.10186767578125       N
9.48272705078125            o
0.0286865234375   v
6.7620849609375         1
8.64593505859375           9
4.76470947265625       9
5.00823974609375        8
9.19281005859375            2
7.26104736328125          3
3.75762939453125      :
9.932861328125            3
6.17218017578125         4
8.16680908203125           :
0.0555419921875   2
1.7449951171875    3
4.67620849609375       -
2.27996826171875     0
2.2454833984375     5
8.310546875           0
7.22137451171875          0

>I'm looking for editorial content, do you have any
>writings you would like
>to share, anything that pertains remotely to electronic
>art/music/composition would be great, it could be entirely theoretical,
>entirely technical or just a rant... submit via email, and get your ideas
>out for the world to see... (this is the one thing that rarely happens on
>this list, it would be nice to share our ideas beyond MAX geek talk)


kem!ztr! went through 1 length! p.r!.od ov emp!r!kl dev.
!t bgan az 1 < rezpktbl endeavr = alkem!
wh!ch takld mattr zuch az f!nd!ng 1 `f!lozoferz` ztone
wh!ch would turn lead !n2 gold - but d!dnt zolv dzem.

what !t d!d do - waz get humanz !ntrztd !n dze kur!ouz changez
wh!ch okkur when d!ff zubztansez = m!czd 2gedzer + heatd or odrw!ze
plaszd undr 1 4rm ov ztresz. !t altzo !nzp!rd dze dev. ov 1 range
ov lab eku!p. zuch az retortz + krus!blz 2 hld dze subztansez be!ng ztreszd
+ 1 range ov !mportant tekn!kuez = kr!ztal!zat!on. f!ltrat!on. d!zt!lat!on.

b! dze t!me ov chaucer alkem! had bkom 1 fert!le ground 4 fraudz + tr!kzterz
whoze faked demonztrat!onz ov dze kreat!on ov gold were !ntendd 2 ecztrakt
kasch mattr 4rom wealth! patronz !n ordr 2 karr! out furdr eczper!mentz.

2da! d!sz tekn!kue == kalld `wr!t!ng out 1 grant propozl`

>If you haven't seen Unauthorized MAX yet, why not have look right now?

RPI.EDU = .amrkn.kap!tal!zt.forSS

                                        3nkounter!ng opn zpasez 0+0


                                        3nkounter!ng opn zpasez 0+2

     dzat !z 2 sa!

     dze frog wr!tez neatl!
1 adjekt!v = hungr!.
1 hungr! mathemat!c!an eatz w!ldl!
1 rabb!t hopz ku!kl!
dze large mathemat!c!an falz s lou l!
1 kap!tal!zt sellz nounz
1 adverb ztepz on 1 kap!tal!zt


language rekogn!t!on = 1 !mp appl 2 f!n!te ztate mazk!nez

modl c!t!zn rekogn!t!on = !mp 4 ann.z

\\ part deux.

>I'm not really upset by the 32Meg
>memory requirement of OS 8.5 because I won't settle for less than 160 meg
>my box anyway )

! work faster and better,    my box !z faztr dzen urz -
m! handz r wh!tr dzen urz.   ! wash dzem w!th ecztra_lux.

>I won't settle for less than 160 meg in
>my box anyway )

naturl!ch - abr 320 = bezsr
faster and better = $  +?

>Bottom line, you WILL work faster and better,

Bottom line - kap!tal!zt propaganda

>Bottom line, you WILL work faster and better,

ur m9nd konta!nr == respond!ng 2market!ng

\\ work faster and better,  -

                  Inquire within.
               No purchase necessary.

\\ part quatre [0+. m t!v -1 amrkn kap!tal!zt

>Date:    Thu, 12 Nov 1998 23:59:29 -0500
>From:    Johnny DeKam 
>Subject: New! "Unauthorized MAX"

new && !mprovd +?

>I'm happy to announce the   birth of a new web site for MAXers:

new && !mprovd +?

>Q: What's it for?

new && !mprovd +?

>A: Over the years, we've had to settle for searching our archives, sifting
>through alot rubbish.

new && !mprovd +?

>To my knowledge there is no one stop source for those
>common problem, (and the really obscure ones)

new && !mprovd +?

>The MAX faq is the answer

new && !mprovd +?

>... also, consider how many repeat questions occur
>on the list from newbies. Hopefully we can cut down on these repeat
>questions and spend more time MAXing.

new && !mprovd +?

>repeat questions occur

j.a!me. j.a!me. j.a!me.

>Q: Is affiliated with any organization or company?
>A: Absolutely not, it is a labor of love,

new && !mprovd +?

>and a way to encourage connections
>with others,

new && !mprovd +?

>and promote the wonderful world of MAX

new && !mprovd +?

>repeat questions occur

j.a!me. j.a!me. j.a!me.

>Q: Come on! Are you serious?
>A: You Bet - I have about 300 megs of server space and a dual T3

new && !mprovd phallus +?

>, my personal piece of pie on the internet

br abov +?

>wewewewewewewewewewewe really do have a community here,
>let's make it stronger!

br abov +?

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\\ bon. j.arrete

 human perception of colour changes during lifetime.
    as children eyes focus on a greater amount of blue tinge
    when older when eyes focus more on brown tinge.
    during our life the brain compensates and humans do not notice.
    very evident in paintings by monet before and after he had cateracts

!c! et a!lleurz. !c! et a!lleurz.


- 2 zelekt humanz pr!x.peard 2 !mplode. 1zt-zolv...

  proov w!thout s!rkular!t! dzat 47 = 1 f!n!te numbr


10.anything       25.manipulations  4.input           54.what
11.else!          26.-              40.and            55.I

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Date:    Tue, 17 Nov 1998 00:17:38 -0800
From:    David Zicarelli 
Subject: Revised MSP ASIO support

I fixed a few bugs in the beta MSP ASIO Audiodriver recently.
Download the newest one at
Thanks to William Kleinsasser for helping me with these

In other news, Emagic has released a beta ASIO driver for the
Audiowerk8. It's on their web site (

Unfortunately, it crashes with MSP and every other program
I've tested. I've tried to contact Emagic about it but
they're not exactly the most responsive company. One
of their information gatekeepers told me I needed to
contact my local Emagic distributor for support(!). The e-mail
addresses I have for the two guys who wrote the driver
(according to a resource I discovered within the file)
no longer work. And my US contact simply doesn't answer my
e-mail. Anyone who knows the magic invocation that will penetrate
the Emagic firewall, please let them know their ASIO driver
could use some help. I usually don't like to publicize
problems like this, but I don't know what else to do.

Oh, and before the AW8 driver crashes, it informs us that its
vector size will be 512 samples, so don't expect spectacular
latency performance out of this puppy.

David Z.


Date:    Tue, 17 Nov 1998 03:07:53 -0600
From:    =cw4t7abs 
Subject: max zrvr

418 !nztansez ov zicarelli lokatd on v90730297f2 d!zk


>thanks buddy.
>David Z.
>>On the SYNTH-L mailing list =cw4t7abs , recently
>>admitted that the filter he puts his messages through is written in Max.


\+\ ws.c - max zrvr

 * newchat --
 *    A primitive talk program that illustrates remote communications using
 *    following system calls: socket, connect, bind, listen, accept, select.
 *    Usage:
 *      newchat                 -- to accept a connection from a remote
 *      newchat hostname        -- to talk to a remote system
 *      You need to run 'newchat' first on host 1, then 'newchat hostname'
on the other hosts
 * The information in this software is subject to change without notice
 * and should not be construed as a commitment by Silicon Graphics, Inc.

tzo az not 2 ag!tate dze bandw!dth



Date:    Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:52:12 +0000
From:    dominic robson 
Subject: MAXplay and saving

Ive been trying to build a Standalone Application in MAX in which values
can be edited and saved. Is there a way to create a collective or
standalone in which data can be saved by the end user without having to
write in and out to twenty or so external Preset files ?

Any ideas much appreciated ...

Dominic Robson


Date:    Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:36:06 +0000
From:    Lawrence Casserley 
Subject: max + powerbook sleep

In message <>, Automatic
digest processor Jeremy Bernstein  writes
>I just noticed that when I have max launched on my powerbook, the thing
>won't fall asleep on its own... anyone else find this?  as troubles go,
>this is about as minor as they come, but I'm curious...
>Jeremy Bernstein, Boot Squad Research Studios
>618 Metropolitan Ave., Brooklyn, NY 11211
>tel +1.718.963.0221 fax +1.718.963.0484
>PGP public key available from

I think this is because the serial port is in use for MIDI, so the
automatic sleep mechanism decides it is not safe to sleep.

Personally I find this a very useful 'feature' as a powerbook that goes
to sleep in the middle of a concert is a bit of an embarassment!! I
don't have to worry about making sure this doesn't happen.

Lawrence Casserley

Lawrence Electronic Operations -Tel +44 1494 481381 -FAX +44 1494 481454
Signal Processing for Contemporary Music -email


Date:    Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:22:08 -0500
From:    Otto Henry 
Subject: incoming

Three cheers for Johnny DeKam's new MAX site       !!   which also includes the ircam patches, etc.

Three of my patches in the incoming folder are all corrupted and should not
be downloaded: "Aeaea..." and the 2 "Parade....". I have E'd  ircam to
them (weeks ago) but no response. They are also on the UMAX  site above.
( I have written Johnny to remove them).

This is not strictly MAX but I would like to hear from anyone who can help
me with an uploading problem:  All of a sudden last May, my uploads to
info-mac and else where became corrupted. The binhex/binary part
de-codes, but the stuffit files won't open ( -39 error, end of file error).
installed new software , got a new modem . I have written Aladdin (Stuffit
Delux) but no response. I use Fetch and Anarchie, but same result. Can't
figure out what is happening! Any help would be appreciated!

And apologies to anyone who downloaded those patches. It happens, believe

Cheers, Otto


Date:    Tue, 17 Nov 1998 12:42:34 -0500
From:    Stephen Kay 
Subject: MAXplay and saving

>Ive been trying to build a Standalone Application in MAX in which values=

>can be edited and saved. Is there a way to create a collective or
>standalone in which data can be saved by the end user without having to
>write in and out to twenty or so external Preset files ?

>Any ideas much appreciated ...
>Dominic Robson

This is a typical problem discussed here often.  =

Applications create documents; documents save data. When your patcher
is open in Max, Max is the Application and your patcher is the =

document.  So any changes you make to it, such as changing the
contents of presets and coll files are saved when you save the
document.  You are not making actual changes to Max itself.

Once you turn your document into an application, the situation
is different.  You cannot edit the application and save changes
to it.  You must provide a means of saving the changes externally,
to a document or whatever.

That means, writing a coll file, writing a presets file, using
fileout, using prefsFile (part of the MegaMAX Collection) or
some other means of saving the data. The user can't modify the

You might also check out collX (enhanced coll object) available
for free at the URL below.

Stephen Kay
---------------------- The MegaMAX Collection ----------------------
 Over 30 Max objects for the creation of more professional looking, =

         feeling, and functioning patchers and applications.
------------------------ Free Max objects! -------------------------


Date:    Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:27:05 -0500
From:    Fr=?ISO-8859-1?B?6WTp?=ric Murray 
Subject: iMac with MAX/MSP/OMS...

Hello Dan,

I run Max on my iMac and everything is ok. Stable, speedy, very
happy. I love my iMac... and beleive it or not I love the mouse also.

For now, I wait for a MIDI solution (the iPort is one, but it void
the guarantee :-(.....).
So, I use Quicktime Music, everything is ok.

I also try MSP demo, and everything seems good.

Frederic Murray

>Hi all,
>I'm wondering if anyone has recent experience trying to run MAX/MSP/OMS on
>an iMac; please lemme know...


Date:    Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:32:14 +0000
From:    Ed Hartley 
Subject: Larray

When using the Larray object, sending it a "write" message with an arguement
will save a data file with that name in the Max application folder, without
bringing up the standard "Save As" dialog. This is good for automating data
storage, but I'd like to be able to specify the folder that data is saved
into. Is there any way to change that default path?


Ed Hartley


Date:    Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:32:50 -0500
From:    Chris Murtagh Hrdc-drhc 
Subject: Re: iMac with MAX/MSP/OMS...

From: "Fr=E9d=E9ric Murray" , on 11/17/98 1:27 PM:
>I run Max on my iMac and everything is ok. Stable, speedy,
>very happy. I love my iMac... and beleive it or not I love
>the mouse also.

Just out of curiosity, how did you manage to authorize MAX? Did you get a
floppy drive for your iMac that allows authorization?

Also, make sure you get the two iMac updates from Apple, 1 is 'iMac update
1.0' and the other is the 'iMac CD update'. The CD update is a firmware
update that solves most of the problems with an exceptionally loud CD-ROM
drive. Mine were really loud, as it turns out it was due to two problems 1)
the twit who installed more RAM in them didn't put the housing back on
properly 2) the iMacs seem to have a crazy loud CD-ROM drive. This patch
made it better.


The reason why university politics are so dirty is because the stakes are
so low.


End of MAX Digest - 16 Nov 1998 to 17 Nov 1998 (#1998-73)