Subject: MAX Digest - 10 Nov 1998 to 11 Nov 1998 - Special issue (#1998-66)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 16:00:57 -0500
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Topics in this special issue:

  1. Simple patch for viewing spectra?
  2. 
  3. MAX Digest - 9 Nov 1998 to 10 Nov 1998 (#1998-65)
  4. 1 sample delay (4)
  5. aebang (FAT) crashes Hypercard
  6. INFO RENCONTRE CONCERT
  7. [off topic] algo-comp mailing list
  8. multimedia environement

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Date:    Tue, 10 Nov 1998 22:11:41 +0000
From:    mtheodore 
Subject: Simple patch for viewing spectra?

Greetings o-people-of-many-signals,
Forgive the simplicity of my request, but could somebody post
or mail a simple patch for viewing signal spectra? I realize that
Cross Dog does it, but alas, I must confess I haven't quite
figured out just how (yet). I thought it'd be a nice trick to
show the young ones. If you grant my request, you are certain
to live a long life free of objectionable aliasing.

thanks and didymic commas,
Michael

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Date:    Tue, 10 Nov 1998 23:56:04 -0600
From:    =cw4t7abs 
Subject: 

>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Date:    Tue, 10 Nov 1998 16:08:44 +0900
>From:    Atau Tanaka 
>Subject: 1 sample delay
>
>Is there any MSP object that is a simple 1 sample delay?
>

delay~

>X-From_: igor.stromajer@guest.arnes.si  Mon Nov  9 16:37:58 1998
>From: "intim@" 
>Organization: intim@ virtual base / net art lab
>To: a9ff@hell.com
>Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 23:37:17 +0100
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>Subject: =cw4t7abs
>Reply-to: "intim@" 
>CC: antiorp@tezcat.com, asks@innocent.com
>
>
>request
>
>
>1. history
>
>in the city of "maribor" (country: "slovenia")
>http://www.ijs.si/slo/
>there exists an "international festival of computer arts" which will have
it's
>5th edition in march/april 1999.
>
>you can check one (the only) festival's web site (from 1997):
>
>3rd festival of the computer arts maribor - slovenia, 4th - 10th of october
>1997
>http://www.kibla.org/festival/
>
>i don't know where has the 1998's web site disappeared, but there will be
>a new (1999) web site constructed soon.
>
>the festival is co-organised by
>"mkc - youth cultural centre in maribor"
>http://mario.uni-mb.si/mkc/
>and
>"art gallery maribor"
>http://server.kibla.org/ugm/
>
>and is trying to present excellent pieces of computer based artworks,
>installations, net art and digital sound projects to the local and
>international
>audience.
>
>
>2. story
>
>as a this year's curator for net art projects inside the 1999 festival i
>decided to present "=cw4t7abs net action" which includes "\\ m9ndfukc &
>|0f0003|uneventful++vers!on|" located at
>http://www.tezcat.com/~antiorp/
>and
>http://www.hell.com/
>
>
>3. specifics
>
>in my opinion "=cw4t7abs" is one of the best present artistic actions on
>the net. i followed =cw4t7abs' artistic activities in different e-mailing
>lists
>for a long time and i explored the web site in details.
>
>i also checked the message about =cw4t7abs at
>http://www.rhizome.org/cgi-
>local/query.cgi?action=grab_object&kt=kt1205.txt
>posted by  but this is the only reflection i had
>found.
>
>it is usual that the festival in maribor invites the artist(s) to come to
>maribor, slovenia in person. all the travel expenses and accommodations
>are completely covered by the festival. it will be the same this year.
>
>since you want to remain anonymous (and i respect this) i'd like to ask
>you if you have some ideas, wishes or demands about how to present you
>and your artworks on the festival in maribor?
>
>maybe you could send someone as your representative?

tak. w!ll aksez celf. eztrn europe = trez beau. ganz zupr + dl!ghtfl

>maybe we could arrange an online audio/video connection during the
>festival and we could connect you (?) and the festival audience?
>
>there are probably other options and good solutions also. we are open to
>any suggestions that you might give.
>
>i'd like to thank you in advance for your possible co-operation. please
>contact me on my e-mail address
>igor.stromajer@guest.arnes.si
>so that we could start talking about your part on the festival. i'll be
very
>happy if you would do it.
>
>best wishes,
>igor stromajer
>
>
>
>
>
>
>intim@ virtual base - net art lab
>http://www2.arnes.si/~ljintima2
>+386 (0)41 703291
>icq 19808618
>

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Date:    Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:55:23 +0000
From:    Amy Knoles 
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 9 Nov 1998 to 10 Nov 1998 (#1998-65)

oops, just realized it was electronic music only...please
disregarde.....damn
beer!!

xox OM

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> There are 9 messages totalling 273 lines in this issue.
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> Topics of the day:
>
>   1. 1 sample delay
>   2. GLISSANDO / RADIO-SHOW
>   3. CBX-D3
>   4. [off topic] algo-comp mailing list (3)
>   5. Virtual memory
>   6. Leonardo Music Journal Calls & Deadlines
>   7. FFT and spectrograph
>
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> Date:    Tue, 10 Nov 1998 16:08:44 +0900
> From:    Atau Tanaka 
> Subject: 1 sample delay
>
> Is there any MSP object that is a simple 1 sample delay?
>
> Atau
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Tue, 10 Nov 1998 10:01:53 +0000
> From:    RobAcid 
> Subject: GLISSANDO / RADIO-SHOW
>
> Dear Maxer´s,
>
> This something off-topic, but I hope interesting for you.
> With evosonic-radio there is a broadcasting-channel for new Electronic
> Music, sending 365 days a year via satellite (Astra 1A) over Europe !
> With Glissando we, Robert Babicz and Yvonne Brogi, have a special weekly
> programme, every wednesday from 0.00?1.00 a.m. !
> The emphasis of GLISSANDO is to create a vivid, evoluting room between
> all sorts of experimental electronic music playgrounds like New
> (classical) Music, Avantgarde, Musique Concrète and acustic arts.
> In consequence we are always looking for some interesting new music to
> play. If you`re a composer or an electronic-music label we would be very
> pleased if you send us your promo-material.
> For further information we naturely be place to your disposal:
>
> "GLISSANDO"
> Robert Babicz und Yvonne Brogi
> Grembergerstr. 253
> 51105 Köln
> Germany
>
> Tel.: 0049?(0)221-9833506, Fax: 0049?(0)221-9833507
> email: Robert.Babicz@koeln.netsurf.de
>
> P.S.: Thanks to all composers and labels for your great support!
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Tue, 10 Nov 1998 12:15:49 +0100
> From:    Riccardo Mazza 
> Subject: CBX-D3
>
> Maxers,
>
> Does anybody knows if there's a Max object to control Yamaha CBX-D3? If
> so where could I get it?
>
> Thank's
>
> Riccardo Mazza
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:42:22 -0000
> From:    Jamie Bullock 
> Subject: [off topic] algo-comp mailing list
>
> Does have any information about the 'algo-comp' mailing list? I have heard
> rumours about its existence, but no-one has ever given me a
current/working
> subscriptions address...
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> jamie
>
> =========================
> Jamie Bullock
> Music Department
> Barber Institute of Fine Arts
> University of Birmingham
> Edgbaston
> Birmingham, B17 ONY
> U.K.
> Tel: (+44) 0121 414 5786
> =========================
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Tue, 10 Nov 1998 09:03:43 +0000
> From:    Ed Hartley 
> Subject: Re: [off topic] algo-comp mailing list
>
> Try this:  http://user.hk.linkage.net/~zaneau/music.htm
>
> I think I'll try it too.
>
> Ed Hartley
>
> Jamie Bullock wrote:
>
> > Does have any information about the 'algo-comp' mailing list? I have
heard
> > rumours about its existence, but no-one has ever given me a
current/working
> > subscriptions address...
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Tue, 10 Nov 1998 07:10:39 -0700
> From:    Kevin Walker 
> Subject: Re: [off topic] algo-comp mailing list
>
> >Does have any information about the 'algo-comp' mailing list? I have
heard
> >rumours about its existence, but no-one has ever given me a
current/working
> >subscriptions address...
> >
> >Thanks in advance,
> >
> >jamie
>
> The algo-comp has been farily inactive lately (last post I have is from
> April 98).  Here are the addresses I have for it:
>
>   owner-algo-comp@serial.music.uiowa.edu
>   algo-comp@serial.music.uiowa.edu
>
> I found the following subscription instructions on the net:
>
>   Send a one line message (no Subject heading) to
>   majordomo@kahless.isca.uiowa.edu with message
>
>   subscribe algo-comp
>
> I suspect the domain is out of date -- try substituting
> "serial.music.uiowa.edu" for  "kahless.isca.uiowa.edu".
>
> There used to be archives for the list available via ftp, but my URL for
> them seems to be out of date.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Tue, 10 Nov 1998 10:03:32 -0800
> From:    Peter Elsea 
> Subject: Virtual memory
>
> >Should virtual memory be kept off with Max under OS 8.5, as before?
>
> Virtual memory is always going to be a no-no for music or any other time
> critical software. It tries to use your hard drive in place of real
memory.
> Most audio applications are using a form of virtual memory anyway when you
> select "play from hard drive" or the equivalent.
>
> Peter Elsea
> Electronic Music Studios
> University of California, Santa Cruz
> http://arts.ucsc.edu/EMS/Music/index.html
>  elsea@cats.ucsc.edu
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Tue, 10 Nov 1998 19:04:12 +0100
> From:    Guy Van Belle 
> Subject: Leonardo Music Journal Calls & Deadlines
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> This is reminder - sorry for crossposting
> and I hope the Editor-in-Chief doesn't mind -
> just that I thought it may be interesting for all of us ...
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Leonardo Music Journal
> Call for Proposals
>
> We invite proposals for the next two issues of the Leonardo Music Journal.
> The guidelines below are intended to create an identifiable focus for each
> issue, but should not be regarded as a limited set of assigned topics or
as
> specific questions to be answered.  They should serve instead as
> springboards for personally relevant writing, and are open to individual
> interpretation.  Please contact the Leonardo Music Journal or Nicolas
> Collins, Editor-in-Chief, directly with proposals, suggestions or
> questions , at: tallmancollins@compuserve.com.
>
> LMJ 9: Power and Responsibility: Politics, Identity and Technology in
Music
>
> In our contemporary saviness, we no longer think of music as the creation
> of solitary genius scribbling in a garret.   We are far more likely to see
> it as a collaboration between individual ambitions and socio-economic
> constraints and inspirations.  Composers themselves are likely to parse
the
> responsibility for musical decisions out among numerous parties: a
> composer, pseudo-autonomous hardware and software, improvising musicians,
> variables of architectural space, or the interaction of an audience.
>
> These issues converge on questions of identity and power politics: is the
> orchestra necessarily fascistic?  Does electronic technology have an
> inherent sexual identity (is it all "boy's toys")?  What is the difference
> between a Japanese composer writing for the piano and a German composer
> writing for the koto?  Do composers in "young countries" (Australia)
> necessarily have less cultural baggage than those in older ones (Italy)?
> Are the virtues of democracy the same as those of music?   And how do we
> deal with Mr. Gates?
>
> In this issue of Leonardo, we want to examine how contemporary composers
> define their role within a network of shared responsibility.  How do you
> allocate power?  How do you justify its use?  How do you define your
> musical and social communities, and how do you position yourself within
> them?
>
> Deadlines:
> December 1, 1998: rough proposals, queries
> January 15, 1999: submission of finished article
> April 1: article returned with reviewer comments for revision
> May 15: revised version due
>
> LMJ 10: Southern Cones -- Music in Africa and South America
>
> For the end of the millennium we want to shift the focus away from
> technological music's traditionally Eurocentric domain and concentrate
> instead on contributions to modern music coming out of Africa and South
> America.   Access and attitudes towards technology shift radically with
> geography, causing both predictable and unexpected effects on the arts.
> We encourage writing by residents of these continents who work with
> technology and music (composers of "serious" and "pop" music, recording
> engineers and producers, studio musicians, concert promoters,
> musicologists, etc.), as well as persons of any citizenship for whom
> Southern cultures have been musically significant.
>
> http://simsim.rug.ac.be/staff/guy
> ftp://quixot.rug.ac.be
>         > but all that I got in return was silence
>         > is this normal???
> I get this all the time. Sometimes it is from cut and paste letting
> comments flow over to the next line, other times I never figure it out.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Wed, 11 Nov 1998 01:39:30 +0200
> From:    Thierry Fournier 
> Subject: FFT and spectrograph
>
> Dear Maxers,
>
> Is it possible to find examples for the analysis of an FFT - to build a
> real-time 32 or 16 - band spectrograph, or to realize sound
> transformations applied to a restricted bandwidth ?
>
> Thank you in advance...
>
> Thierry Fournier
>
> ------------------------------
>
> End of MAX Digest - 9 Nov 1998 to 10 Nov 1998 (#1998-65)
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Date:    Wed, 11 Nov 1998 01:18:22 -0800
From:    dudas 
Subject: Re: 1 sample delay

Hey Atau!

there have several options for your one-sample delay:

delay~ 1

biquad~ 0 1 0 0 0

if you really wanted to be devious, you could use comb~ or allpass~
although this is less convenient because you have to deal with a
samples-to-milliseconds conversion.

See, isn't MSP way cooler than the ISPW/FTS?!!

-Ricardo

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Date:    Wed, 11 Nov 1998 12:00:42 +0000
From:    Wolfgang Heiniger 
Subject: 1 sample delay

> Is there any MSP object that is a simple 1 sample delay?
> Atau

"delay~" with Arguments "16 1" will do the job

or

"biquad~" with args: " .0 1.0 .0 .0 .0"

wolf

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Date:    Wed, 11 Nov 1998 20:29:18 +0900
From:    Atau Tanaka 
Subject: Re: 1 sample delay

Since I found the answer to my own question (thanx to Zeep and Wolf), I'll
post it here:

"delay~" with Arguments "16 1" will do the job
or

"biquad~" with args: " .0 1.0 .0 .0 .0"
that is setting the coefficient of
"a1"  (as in a1 * x[n-1]) to 1, set the rest to 0.

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Date:    Wed, 11 Nov 1998 09:44:27 +0100
From:    "Dr. Karlheinz Essl" 
Subject: aebang (FAT) crashes Hypercard

Dear Maxers, dear David Z.!

Since my beloved (and badly needed) aebang object has been FATtened thanks
to the efforts of our dear MC David Z., it behaves very strangly. Compiling
a FAT stand-alone app which contains this object would inevitably crash it
whenever an AppleEvent is sent to it from HyperCard. This error does not
occur when the compilation only contains 68k code...

Any ways to get this fixed?

Thanks and cheers,

   Dr. Karlheinz Essl - Composer
   Vienna / Austria
   Studio for Advanced Music & Media Technology
   http://www.essl.at/

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Date:    Wed, 11 Nov 1998 09:53:37 -0500
From:    Michael Sweet 
Subject: Re: 1 sample delay

Atau Tanaka writes:

> Is there any MSP object that is a simple 1 sample delay

The tapout~ will accept a float so you could use it with tapin~ to delay the
signal by 0.022676 if you were at 44.1K.
The sampstoms~ command is also helpful.

--Michael Sweet

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Date:    Wed, 11 Nov 1998 20:52:58 +0100
From:    Roland Cahen & Ruth Sefton-Green 
Subject: INFO RENCONTRE CONCERT

      Annonce Rencontre et Concerts
(announcement for symposium and concerts in Paris)

           --------------
            PAYSAGINAIRE
           --------------
             presente

"LA MUSIQUE CONCRETE EN MOUVEMENT"

Salle Multimedia de l'ADAC
11, Place Nationale
75013 PARIS
Entree Libre

****************
   Rencontre :
****************

Samedi 21 Novembre 1998 de 14H à 17H
Rencontre animée par Yves BERTIN

Avec la Participation de

1) Pierre HENRY : "la musique concrète est morte en naissant" (enregistré)
2) Christian CLOZIER : de la musique concrète à la musique électroacoustique
3) Dominique RÉPÉCAUD : les relations de la musique concrète avec la
musique populaire et de variété.
4) Michel CHION : "le nom de "cette" musique"
5) Roland CAHEN : "La culture concrète" (essai de pensee concrete)
6) Nicolas VERIN : "fixation et improvisation"
7) Jacques LEJEUNE : "Hommage à la musique concrète"

- débat -

***************
    Concerts :
***************

Mercredi 18 Novembre à 18H30 :

Gilles RACOT  "Anamorphées"
Dante FEIJOO "Dessins dans le Ciel"
Philippe LEROUX "M.E"
Christian ZANESI "Saphir-Sillons-Silences"

20H30

Philippe MION "Confidence" (creation)
Yves BERTIN "Baiser concret"(creation)
Michel ZBAR "Album Imaginaire II"(creation)

Jeudi 19 Novembre à 20H30

Denis DUFOUR "Terra incognita"
François DONATO "Triadis"
Michel CHION "La Tentation de Saint Antoine" (extrait)
(avec la voix de Pierre Schaeffer)
Jacques LEJEUNE "Portrait de jeune fille au miroir" (création)
Roland CAHEN "Cause Cachette"
(avant première témoin d'Octophonie Studio Delta P La Rochelle)

Samedi 21 Novembre à 18H30

James GIROUDON "Bribes d'hiver"
Jean-Louis DHERMY "Le Phénomène Futur"
d'après Mallarmé, soliste Fabien Chouraki (Saxophone Baryton)
Annette VANDE GORNE "Vox Alia"
Nicolas VERIN "Samoum"

20H30
Paul MEFANO "Periple"
soliste Fabien Chouraki (Saxophone Baryton)
Pierre Alain JAFFRENOU "Océane"
ou "Le troisième passage de la Baleine"
Jacques LEJEUNE "Seconde Lecon des Tenebres pour le Mercredi Saint"
soliste A.Heidmann soprano
Daniel TERUGGI "Tempo Primo"
Jacques LEJEUNE "La Petite Suite Laforgue"
pour soprano solo par A.Heidmann

****************************
Salle Multimedia de l'ADAC
11, Place Nationale
75013 PARIS

- Entree Libre -

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Date:    Thu, 12 Nov 1998 07:37:32 +1000
From:    David Rodger 
Subject: Re: [off topic] algo-comp mailing list

Kevin Walker wrote:
>The algo-comp has been farily inactive lately (last post I have is from
>April 98).  Here are the addresses I have for it:
>
>  owner-algo-comp@serial.music.uiowa.edu
>  algo-comp@serial.music.uiowa.edu
>
>I found the following subscription instructions on the net:
>
>  Send a one line message (no Subject heading) to
>  majordomo@kahless.isca.uiowa.edu with message
>
>  subscribe algo-comp
>
>I suspect the domain is out of date -- try substituting
>"serial.music.uiowa.edu" for  "kahless.isca.uiowa.edu".

Actually, the "serial" domain is the more recent one.  But Kevin is correct
about the inactivity.  I haven't received anything from there in quite a
while.  Much of the discussion about algorithmic composition seems to have
migrated to this list, since MAX is a great environment in which to
prototype algorithms.  What's missing is the wider discussion of aesthetics
and history.  OTOH, at times, the membership of emusic-l does that (in
between fights with or about Antiorp, of course!).

David Rodger:   Audio Engineering; Pool Operations; Aquatics Training
EMAIL: auricle@alphalink.com.au    WEB: www.alphalink.com.au/~auricle
RESEARCH -- Motion Capture in Music --  farben.latrobe.edu.au/motion/
ADZOHU -- Music and Dance from Ghana -- www.alphalink.com.au/~adzohu/
=====================================================================
"I'm concerned about reproduction above 20kHz, because I want to make
sure I'm not depriving my dog of a complete listening experience when
I leave the stereo on...."                            -- Matt Barstow

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Date:    Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:37:02 +0100
From:    "jacques.hoepffner" 
Subject: multimedia environement

Hello,
I am preparing a parformance with a dancer/choreographer involving
differents technics, sound, images, interactivity etc=8A I would use for
tha=
t
three software in real time, each one the best for the task. Director for
the interface with the audience, for the quality of the graphics and the
facility to develop multiple screen for the commands, Opcode Max for the
work with music, interactivity, sound, movement capture (by I-Cube) and
Dataton Trax as to pilot videoplayer, slideprojector etc.
If someone has experimented this kind of linkage or only two together,
could you say me if it is necessary to use 3 computer, how can they speak:
midi, applescript, something else? Can you share your experience, your
problems and your questions about this kind of instalation.

Thank you in advance for your help.

Jacques Hoepffner, photographe
31, rue de la R=E9union 75020 Paris France
t=E9l 33 (0)1 44 93 39 27 fax 33 (0)1 44 93 39 70
Email: jacques.hoepffner@wanadoo.fr
URL: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/aladin/

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