Subject: MAX Digest - 4 Nov 1998 to 5 Nov 1998 (#1998-60)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 00:00:06 -0500
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Topics of the day:

  1. OS 8.5 problems (with MAX?)
  2. G3 Authorization
  3. OS8.5 problems (with MAX?)
  4. check failed: typedmess
  5. Granular Synthesis

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Date:    Thu, 5 Nov 1998 09:39:34 -0500
From:    Jeremy Bernstein 
Subject: Re: OS 8.5 problems (with MAX?)

> For some reason, my G3 desktop machine now gives me the 'Your computer
> wasn't shut down properly' message about 75% of the time (when I KNOW I
> shut it down).

There is an invisible file at the root directory of your hard drive called
'Shutdown Check'.  Delete it with File Buddy or whatever and restart.  This
file (the presence or absence of) causes that message.  Maybe it became
corrupt and won't delete properly.  Just a thought.

> My G3 all-in-one has some serious problems where I get a
> b-tree problems, invalid nodes etc. that the Apple Disk repair utility
> cannot repair (instead it quits due to an 'internal' error). I've
> re-formatted the drive twice, and after a day it comes back.

Did you do low-level reformats?  Or just 'initialize'?  Low-level is the
only way to go...  If you keep getting reoccurring directory damage,
though, for no apparent reason (crashes, etc.) you probably ought to think
about getting that drive replaced - it's not a good sign.  Also, what
utility are you using to format.  I had a horrible time with FWB on my G3
internal drive, until finally the drive was hosed.  Apple's Drive Setup has
a more stable driver, IMO.

Otherwise, Max + MSP + OS 8.5 works like a dream on my G3/266.  No hard
disk problems (I did do a low level reformat of my hard drive before
installing 8.5, though), I like the speed gains, and my music software
still works right.  What more could a guy ask for?

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Date:    Thu, 5 Nov 1998 10:07:51 -0500
From:    Ed Hartley 
Subject: G3 Authorization

Well, I took the G3 plunge. My new Powerbook should be arriving today or
tomorrow. This happened  a little sooner than I had planned so I admit I
haven't been paying as close attention to people's OS 8 authorization woes
I could have. I've already got Max 3.5.9 and I gather that I need to call
Opcode for the latest key disk-is there anything else I need to know?

Thanks in advance.

Ed Hartley
(one man caught up in an eternal battle between order and chaos)


Date:    Thu, 5 Nov 1998 10:26:37 -0500
From:    Chris Murtagh Hrdc-drhc 
Subject: Re: OS8.5 problems (with MAX?)

After doing a bit of reading, calling the Apple support lines, and checking
my machines, it looks like the problems that I have been experiencing are
related to the partitions with FWB 2.5. I performed a low level format with
HD setup, and hopefully this will correct the problem until the newer
version of FWB I ordered gets here.

So, those of you with FWB 2.5 or earlier, look out!! Other than that, the
speed differences for network file transfers are dramatic. Well worth it


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Date:    Thu, 5 Nov 1998 11:54:46 -0500
From:    Stephen Kay 
Subject: check failed: typedmess

>While making a collective, I get the message

>check failed: typedmess: window: corrupt object

>Anyone know where to start looking for tracking down this error ?
>Oeyvind Brandtsegg

When I've had problems like this, the only thing I have been
able to do is what I've mentioned before:  start deleting parts
of your patcher and trying again until you've located the
offending part or subpatcher.  Unfortunately this takes much
time, and you may need to close and open Max between each try.

Stephen Kay


Date:    Thu, 5 Nov 1998 18:33:07 +0000
From:    Neville John Cross 
Subject: Granular Synthesis

Having worked with Nobuyasu Sakodna's  excellent MSP 'Granular 1.2'
I  was wondering if anyone has been able to process G.S. in realtime.

If it's possible with 'Granular 1.2' or any other patch or program
perhaps you could email me?
Many Thanks,


End of MAX Digest - 4 Nov 1998 to 5 Nov 1998 (#1998-60)