Subject: MAX Digest - 28 Oct 1998 to 29 Oct 1998 (#1998-53)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 00:00:00 -0500
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Topics of the day:

  1. G3 powerbooks
  2. G3 powerbook/generator/...
  3. Edit many functionobjects.....
  4. MAX Digest - 22 Oct 1998 to 23 Oct 1998 (#1998-47)
  5. MAX Digest - 27 Oct 1998 to 28 Oct 1998 (#1998-52) (2)
  6. surgery
  7. MPW external writing
  8. overdrive on/off
  9. -'0'9797 allpasz f!lterz f!nd appl!kat!on az phaze ekual!zers. when
plaszd
     !n kaskade w!th a z!stem wh!ch haz und.z!rabl phaze rezponsz a phaze
     ekual!zer = d.s!gnd 2 kompenzate 4 dze `poor` phaze rezponsz
     karakter!zt!kx ov dze z!stem + produsz 1 l!near phaze responsz.
 10. Audio on the G3 Powerbooks
 11. grannie 6x
 12. MIDI to IR info needed!

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Date:    Wed, 28 Oct 1998 22:11:46 +0000
From:    Amy Knoles 
Subject: Re: G3 powerbooks

> Pablo Silva wrote:
>
> > I've been considering getting a new G3 Powerbook for both Max/MSP, MIDI
and
> > audio work, and was wondering whether anyone here has had experience yet
with
> > this computer, especially with the new audio card coming out fot it...
Since
> > (at least Apple) portables are always particular in their timing and
serial
> > communications characteristics, I wonder whether I'd better stick with
> >porting
> > a desktop around...
>
> I recently wittnessed the use of two of the smallest G3-Powerbooks in live
> performances of mine. The calculating power (in regard to my Powerbook
> 3400/240) is approx. 50% higher - this should give you enough power to run
> complex and resource-consuming MSP patches.
>
> But - both machines have an annoying hum on the audio-out; one more, the
> other less. On the other hand, a friend of mine recently bought the same
> machine, and he does not have the hum problem...
>
> In any case you should check this before purchasing.
>
> Hope that helps,
>

I have been using a G3 for several mos  (the lo end vers.) and I have no
hum.  It has
only crashed on me once and that was during a performance (of course) but
fortunately not
during a piece...I had Studio vision, and Max Fat running...without midi in
background.

Can you tell me more about the audio card that's comming out?

Amy Knoles

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Date:    Thu, 29 Oct 1998 11:40:04 +0100
From:    Robert Henke 
Subject: G3 powerbook/generator/...

Hi maxers,

there have been a few requests about msp+max on a G3 powerbook. my
experiences:

i am using msp/max on a G3 / 250 Mhz Powerbook. msp is great fun, the
audio-quality on my pb is somewhat "ok" (no hum, s/n ratio is ok, channel
separation also. I am still looking forward to a multichannel audiocard =
for
powerbooks ( no i do not want to buy a magma chassis ! ) and i definitly
miss the spdif I/O .

the only thing which makes me a little bit sad has to do with a fact i did
mention in a few earlier postings :
larger msp patches slow down my max patchers .... so it is almost
impossible to do sound synthesis and sequencing together on one machine. (
I did not try to use another sequencer software- i did spend years to =
build
up my "perfect" max sequenzer !!!! ) I tried everything ( scheduler in
interrupt ON/OFF, overdrive ON/OFF , different block sizes etc...) but no
combination realy made me happy - you simply can`t do it.
So finaly i came back to the same timing problems i once had while using a
mac II and max 2.5......
I really looking forward to the day when MAX 9.5 comes out and everything
works with full audio rate and a MAX ms is a true ms !!!!!!

In this context it may be interesting to have a look at Native Instruments
"generator" software which is simmilar to msp and has no limitations in
creating feedback loops / iterative structures and a block size of 1 .
Generator runs on ugly windows PCs but will be ported to macs in a few
weeks....
The only con is that you can=ABt do all these logical operations you can =
do
with max, so writing e.g. a sequencer is quite impossible.  But i could
imagine that a combination of MAX and Generator will be really powerfull =
!!!

rob.

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Date:    Thu, 29 Oct 1998 13:53:46 +0100
From:    Mats Claesson 
Subject: Edit many functionobjects.....

Hi.

This is probably a stupid Q but anyway.....

I have a patch that contains  some function objects. I would like to make
the same changes to all of them. The changes I want to make is in a
function object that acts like a "master function editor". So I draw a new
breakpoint curve and then send that one to all other function objects. So
far I have only been able to do that by first sending a clear message to
all functions and then sending a dump messages from my "master function
editor".

So her is the Q
Do I have to send a clear messages and then send a dump. Is there a way to
do this all in one go?

Is there a possibility to change one point in my "master function editor"
and have all other function objects updated with that new value
automaticly.

Mats c

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Date:    Thu, 29 Oct 1998 14:24:53 +0100
From:    Jan Borchers 
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 22 Oct 1998 to 23 Oct 1998 (#1998-47)

Hi Jose and fellow Maxers,

a student of mine developed ascript, a patch that connects MAX to
AppleScript. More details at
http://www.tk.uni-linz.ac.at/~gueob/software.html. It's also at the IRCAM
ftp site.

Best,

Jan

>Date:    Sat, 24 Oct 1998 03:43:28 +0200
>From:    jose manuel berenguer 
>Subject: max & plaintalk speech recognition
>...
>could i manage apple events in max? as i can understand i could do this in
>director's lingo, but i don't see how to do it in max reference.

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Date:    Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:28:32 -0500
From:    Don Malone 
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 27 Oct 1998 to 28 Oct 1998 (#1998-52)

>
>I recently wittnessed the use of two of the smallest G3-Powerbooks in live
>performances of mine. The calculating power (in regard to my Powerbook
>3400/240) is approx. 50% higher - this should give you enough power to run
>complex and resource-consuming MSP patches.
>
was that the 233MHz without a backside cache?
how important is a backside cache?

happy tunes
Don

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Date:    Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:33:21 -0700
From:    Adam Schabtach 
Subject: Re: surgery

>If you were a patient, what do you think would ensure your
>chances of survival if you knew Max were being used in the
>procedure?

"Say Doc, that's not a Timeline you're using to control that automated
general-anesthetic gizmo, is it?"

Also, find out whether one's insurance covers complications due to
right-to-left ordering bugs.

--Adam
Adam Schabtach                          nebulous@earthlink.net

"People can hear the silence. That's the point."
               --Yoshihiro Kawasaki

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Date:    Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:18:12 -0800
From:    Peter Elsea 
Subject: MPW external writing

>Help! I'm trying to write externals with MPW MrC and am using the THINK/C
>Symantec
>example (#12 buddy) and ext_ .h's from that section.  The instuctions for
>this area are
>similar but different enough it seems to keep me from being successful.
>I'm trying to
>do PPC only since I have none of the A4 includes, but I also cannot locate
>the MAXPlayPC
>C files.  I am using Max 3.5.8/9.  Can anyone offer me some suggestions?

You should have MaxPlayPPC around somewhere- open the installer and choose
custom install and it will turn up.
You can also use MaxLib, which is in the #includes folder in the Think C
Buddy example folder.

The traditional gotcha when trying different compilers is the size of data
types- make sure:
Ints in Max macros are 16 bit (shorts) In the antedeluvian Think C ints
were 16 bit and the oldest documentation and examples reflected this,
causing much grief when Symantec changed. Most of them have been rooted
out, but you never know.
longs as in atom.a_w.w_long are 32 bit
floats as in atom.a_w.w_float are 32 bit  (In the Think C  example these
are doubles, which may be 64 bit on some compilers.)

Peter Elsea
Electronic Music Studios
University of California, Santa Cruz
http://arts.ucsc.edu/EMS/Music/index.html
 elsea@cats.ucsc.edu

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Date:    Thu, 29 Oct 1998 20:37:01 +0100
From:    filip 
Subject: overdrive on/off

>
>
> Yes, in 3.5 you can send Max the message directly, by putting the
> following into message boxes connected to nothing, and clicking
> them:
>
> ;max preempt 0   (overdrive off)
> ;max preempt 1   (overdrive on)
>
>

thanks Stephen Kay
for this hint

is any more complete listing of commands you can do with

;max

??

klaus

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Date:    Thu, 29 Oct 1998 16:10:28 -0600
From:    =cw4t7abs 
Subject: -'0'9797 allpasz f!lterz f!nd appl!kat!on az phaze ekual!zers. when
         plaszd !n kaskade w!th a z!stem wh!ch haz und.z!rabl phaze rezponsz
a
         phaze ekual!zer = d.s!gnd 2 kompenzate 4 dze `poor` phaze rezponsz
         karakter!zt!kx ov dze z!stem + produsz 1 l!near phaze responsz.

>tranzlation = soc!et! = allpasz f!ltr

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 Displays, as the first step in implementing its worldwide color workflow
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     "The Macintosh platform is important to Kinko's as Apple continues to
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 components of our global color workflow strategy to provide consistent
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 output across our worldwide locations."
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 customers the color they expect," said Apple's interim CEO Steve Jobs.
"This
 technology, coupled with our large-screen displays, enables the over one
  million ColorSync users to accurately match screen-to-print color."
     ColorSync technology is the color management workflow architecture that
is
 becoming the de facto software standard for exchanging and matching color
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 over 140 countries around the world.

tzzt

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Date:    Fri, 30 Oct 1998 00:34:55 +0100
From:    Peter Vittali 
Subject: Audio on the G3 Powerbooks

I use a G3 Powerbook and the hum on the audio out is absolutely horrible
(this was not on
my former 3400/200)
However, on my powerbook the hum comes from the powerplug so disconnecting
the power
supply and running on batterie resolves the hum problem (at least in my
case).
However, without an Audio PC card I fell the G3 laptop series is not
recommendable to
perform quality audio in/out.

Anyone suggestions for a good PC card ?

Peter

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> There are 5 messages totalling 132 lines in this issue.
>
> Topics of the day:
>
>   1. anyone here using a G3 Powerbook for Max-MSP /MIDI/Audio?
>   2. big bottom
>   3. programming gig/movie object
>   4. surgery
>   5. ethernet connection
>
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> Date:    Wed, 28 Oct 1998 10:28:47 +0100
> From:    "Dr. Karlheinz Essl" 
> Subject: Re: anyone here using a G3 Powerbook for Max-MSP /MIDI/Audio?
>
> Pablo Silva wrote:
>
> > I've been considering getting a new G3 Powerbook for both Max/MSP, MIDI
and
> > audio work, and was wondering whether anyone here has had experience yet
with
> > this computer, especially with the new audio card coming out fot it...
Since
> > (at least Apple) portables are always particular in their timing and
serial
> > communications characteristics, I wonder whether I'd better stick with
> >porting
> > a desktop around...
>
> I recently wittnessed the use of two of the smallest G3-Powerbooks in live
> performances of mine. The calculating power (in regard to my Powerbook
> 3400/240) is approx. 50% higher - this should give you enough power to run
> complex and resource-consuming MSP patches.
>
> But - both machines have an annoying hum on the audio-out; one more, the
> other less. On the other hand, a friend of mine recently bought the same
> machine, and he does not have the hum problem...
>
> In any case you should check this before purchasing.
>
> Hope that helps,
>
>    Dr. Karlheinz Essl - Composer
>    Vienna / Austria
>    Studio for Advanced Music & Media Technology
>    http://www.essl.at/
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Wed, 28 Oct 1998 11:34:33 +0000
> From:    david stevens 
> Subject: Re: big bottom
>
> i wrote:
> >
> > >what i'm now trying to get with msp is something equivalent -  I want
to
> > >be able
> > >to bring in  an ocassional deep throbbing pedal tone.
>
> kurt suggested:>
> >  maybe mix as is, then slap some program eq w/ lots o' lows across it.
(that Waves >
> >  Renaissance EQ sounds pretty good.)
>
> I'd forgotten about the vst~ object - but unfortuantely it turned out to
be too
> processor intensive (I'm near the limit). thanks for the reminder tho'.
>
> > the response: "i want MAXIMUM BASS at
> > ALL FREQUENCIES mon!")
>
> I love it! and i can totally believe it as well (actually, i think i
understand
> exactly what he meant!)
>
> david
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Wed, 28 Oct 1998 10:06:20 EST
> From:    ACDCVC@AOL.COM
> Subject: programming gig/movie object
>
> Hi!  I am looking for someone who would be willing to make custom
alterations
> to the present movie object.  I am willing to pay cash.  I would like a
movie
> object without title bar that I can position and save anywhere on the
screen.
> Please email me directly at acdcvc@aol.com
> Thanks!
> Jeff Krieger
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Wed, 28 Oct 1998 14:54:39 -0400
> From:    ryohros 
> Subject: surgery
>
> >"Um, my pacemaker's on MIDI channel 6..."
> } >If you were a patient, what do you think would ensure your
> } >chances of survival if you knew Max were being used in the
> } >procedure?
>
> } >- "take it out of Overdrive, doc."
>
> } >- "hey, did you empty the trash?"
>
> } >or...?
>
> } "Um, my pacemaker's on MIDI channel 6..."
>
> } "Surgically removing copy protection..."
>
> Error -191:
> You are operating an unauthorized version of Opcode Doctor(tm).
> Please contact customer service to request a reauthorization.
> Your code is BOYR U FUKD BIG TIME.
>
> What does all this means???
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Wed, 28 Oct 1998 20:30:08 -0500
> From:    Bill Vorn 
> Subject: ethernet connection
>
> Hi,
>
> I would like to intercept data coming out of a MotionStar motion capture
> system via ethernet (this data is normally send to an SGI machine). Is
> there any ethernet object available for Max that would allow this?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Bill Vorn
> Montreal (Quebec) Canada
>
> ------------------------------
>
> End of MAX Digest - 27 Oct 1998 to 28 Oct 1998 (#1998-52)
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Date:    Thu, 29 Oct 1998 15:42:35 -0800
From:    Jim Wood 
Subject: grannie 6x

hello
some questions aboout granulationh again.

1. I want to experiment with mixing grains from two
diffeerent buffers into one in a kind of crossfading
way.How might I do this?
2. In SuperCollider there is a functon called -coin-
which performs the kind of thing mentioned above. Any
similar such object in msp- I cant think of it
looking thru the guide.
3. When someone mentioned Richard Dudas's rgrain
based patch they refered to its polyphonic
capabilities, by combining them together as in
'Gransynth4" etc.
Can someone explain how this kind of polyphony
relates to that of a keyboard type synth, I'm not
sure what it means.
4. What about video granulation. Does this mean
sampling from a video buffer on the same way as the
audio, or different. In this case how could it
manifest itself on screen- flipping between images or
mixing or both.

If anyone's got any ideas id be grateful
please excuse spelling im operating a pc.godammit

jim y wood

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Date:    Thu, 29 Oct 1998 19:56:14 EST
From:    TTheodoros@AOL.COM
Subject: MIDI to IR info needed!

Hello,
I am looking for a MIDI to infrared convertor (besides the Epigraf one).
I would appreciate if any of you can you provide me any information about
this!
Thank you in advance

Theodore

====================================================
Theodore Tsevas
Composer/Sound Designer/Show Control Specialist
Email:  TTheodoros@aol.com
====================================================

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Date:    Thu, 29 Oct 1998 18:41:18 -0800
From:    Keay 
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 27 Oct 1998 to 28 Oct 1998 (#1998-52)

hello All,

  Here is yet another question that could surely be on a FAQ list if
there was one somewhere.

I have recently moved to a new machine, 8500 from a 7500.  All was well
on the old machine.  After some trials with key disk problems due to
system 8, i installed Max 3.5 and then upadated it to 3.5.8  and also
reinstalled MSP.

Now, the problem.  None of my externals or unsupported objects are
being seen by Max even though the files are listed in the search path.
No cd object etc, even though I can open the externals folder and see
it there.

What foolish error am I committing this time?

Thanks for any help you can send my way.

Keay@hooked.net

Thought I'd add that Opcode was very prompt in sending me my new key
disk.

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