Subject: MAX Digest - 14 Oct 1998 to 15 Oct 1998 (#1998-37)
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Topics of the day:

  1. 0-8c'-08-0088
  2. max&web (2)
  3. MAX Digest - 13 Oct 1998 (#1998-35)
  4. how to send midi to SVP via IAC
  5. UNAUTHORIZED NOTE DUMP (2)
  6. MAXpowr G3 card and MSP?
  7. Sys-Ex
  8. filename object
  9. MAX Digest - 13 Oct 1998 to 14 Oct 1998 (#1998-36)
 10. duration from buffer~

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Date:    Thu, 15 Oct 1998 00:36:56 -0400
From:    Antiorp Antiorp 
Subject: 0-8c'-08-0088

>From:    "Dr. Karlheinz Essl" 
>This might be a stupid question:

0 kuezt!on = ztoop!d +?

>How do I get the duration of a sndfile
>read into a buffer~ automatically - *without* opening the object by
>double-clicking and clicking or dragging over the sample?

info~ +?

>From:    Peter Elsea 
>Ahh--- peace in our time.

ekuat!onz 4 peace in our time =    +?

dx \ dt = ky -alpha x + g    +?

dy \ dt = lx = beta y + h    +?

>From:    overlobe@OZEMAIL.COM.AU
>it seems to me that it should be possible to use msp as an analogue to midi
>converter..

ver!f!ed   +?

>but what i'd REALLY like to know is if anyone has information
>(or directions to info) on the "best" way to set up the sensors . . . in
>the physical sense. (sensitivity/durability etc..)

p!ezzo.z = !neczpens!v   +?
p!ezzo.z = velkom abusz  +?

>ie.. attatch them to drum practice pads?

kovr self !n p!ezzos = j.p.gault!er koztume 4 zupr takt!le rout!n
+ anti akadem!k m9ndfukc rout!n +?

>is there some other more efficient/inexpensive way?

konzumemorezt!k!mattr +?

  | |
 |abs|  - krvava gruda-plodna zemlja +?
  | |
punKtproTokol[4'7c     m9ndfukc.macht.fre! < hTTp:/194.19.130.194/=cw4t7abs
+?

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Date:    Thu, 15 Oct 1998 00:58:50 -0400
From:    Antiorp Antiorp 
Subject: Re: max&web

>From:    Daniel Landau 
>Subject: max & web
>
>i recall some time ago a discussion about max and the web.  can somebody
>tune me in about what's out there.  is it possible to launch a max patch
>on a web site?
>much thanks for any replay,

replay with max granulation

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 a                  l                 l                   s
o
                    m                e
t
       i                  m           e                       a            g
              o                        a            d      i
  s        c        u        s          s          i                   o
           n              a                     b              o         u
 t               m               a             x
        a            n    d                     t                     h
           e                   w                     e                 b
             .                                     c                      a
              n                        s                   o          m
e
             b       o                 d         y
                t            u        n      e                    m       e
                          i              n                       a
  b        o                     u              t                   w
  h         a                   t                      '                   s
                  o                 u                    t
                    t                   h           e         r   e        .
                                      i      s                 i
     t                    p                    o     s               s
i
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o
                             l     a                   u         n         c
          h                   a                                 m
a
 x                                           p          a
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              c                  h
          o               n                                      a
                   w                  e             b                     s
     i                      t      e              ?

                   m           u                  c                h
         t                   h   a             n      k    s
                f       o           r                              a     n
              y                              r                      e
p
              l      y              ,

0 f 0 0 0 3 - dze d.l ov konsc!ousnesz. neuro-hak.erz vs nwo _||-
le mascul!n et la fraktur symbol!que. la r!poste hyster!que
209.150.144.226|=cw4t7abs

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Date:    Wed, 14 Oct 1998 22:06:19 -0700
From:    Alex Stahl 
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 13 Oct 1998 (#1998-35)

>i've recently begun using two contact mics/percussion sensors (piezo
>elements soldered straight onto a stereo minijack lead) into my powerbook.
>in a gig setup they'd be going through a mixer..
>
>it seems to me that it should be possible to use msp as an analogue to midi
>converter.. but what i'd REALLY like to know is if anyone has information
>(or directions to info) on the "best" way to set up the sensors . . . in
>the physical sense. (sensitivity/durability etc..)
>ie.. attatch them to drum practice pads? (my first guess.. (but how?) ) or
>is there some other more efficient/inexpensive way?

a good cheap way is to use mouse pads of the variety with black rubber under
a clothlike cover.  Gob some silicone bathtub caulk over the entire sensor,
and just replace the
sensor if the wire breaks.  If you solder your own leads to the discs, try
silver solder, but this isn't
the easiest soldering task.

You may also find this link interesting-- it's about multiplexing several
sensors onto a single digital audio input...
http://cnmat.CNMAT.Berkeley.EDU/ICMC98/AESgesture.html

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Date:    Thu, 15 Oct 1998 02:08:09 -0400
From:    Stephen Kay 
Subject: Re: max&web

antirop:
>>i recall some time ago a discussion about max and the web.  can somebod=
y
>>tune me in about what's out there.  is it possible to launch a max patc=
h
>>on a web site?
>>much thanks for any replay,

>replay with max granulation

>                i                         r                 e         c
> a                  l                 l                   s             =
  =

    o
>                    m                e                                  =
  =

   t
>       i                  m           e                       a         =
  =

g

This demonstrates how much antiorp has learned.  A user makes a
typo, antiorp jumps on it and posts ascii art as a kind of "punny"
reply.  Notice s/h/it did not answer the question.

Here's this sentence, also "granulated".  I hope you all enjoy it.

H                         e                       r         =

         e                        '                   s     t

h              i             s                      s     e
        e           n             t                   e

n                 c             e          ,          a               s

      o    "              g           r             a            n

      u                  l         a                     t         e =

d              "         .               I            h        o

p                  e                           y         o         u

    a       l                       l               e         n

     j                     o                  y               i

             t                  .

Stephen Kay

- I guess democracy grants me my right to an opinion: Clyde P. Snodgrass.=

- By the way, I *do* have a sense of humor, just not under the
circumstances:
      Phil McKrakken

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Date:    Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:30:33 +0200
From:    Martin Grube 
Subject: Re: how to send midi to SVP via IAC

----------
>From: Stephen Kay 
>To: MAX@LISTS.MCGILL.CA
>Subject: how to send midi to SVP via IAC
>Date: Mit, 14. Okt 1998 23:13 Uhr
>
>If you're talking about syncing one to the other, you can send MIDI
>beat clock from Max and set SVP to external beat clock.  Or, you can
>send MIDI Beat Clock from SVP to Max and use it to bang your patcher.
>
Does anybody have an idea why Midi Time Code can't be sent from Max via a
port or the IAC bus ?
OMS seems to block these signals but other applicatios can do this so MTC
sent from another application via IAC bus can be read in Max.

Martin Grube

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Date:    Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:39:32 -0400
From:    Greg Hall 
Subject: UNAUTHORIZED NOTE DUMP

Hey, I'm going to resubmit a question!  I know it might just be my own =
programming problem, but this thing is persistent:

Well, I'm running MAX 3.0 on a powerbook 160: pretty old, I know.  =
Anyway, I start my "algorithm" with a toggle switch, and the first thing =
I hear before I hear what I want to hear is a 0.5 second "note dump" of =
all MIDI channels playing a beautiful chaos (heard immediately upon =
pressing the toggle switch ON or OFF).  While I like beautiful chaos, I =
like to regulate it as well.  Any ideas on what's causing this and/or =
how to get rid of it? =20

greg hall
ghall@bangor.autometric.com

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Date:    Thu, 15 Oct 1998 23:45:24 +1000
From:    NIGEL FRAYNE 
Subject: Re: MAXpowr G3 card and MSP?

>I didn't see this msg. appear on the list so I am sending it again.
>
>>Does anyone have any experience using MSP on a Powerbook 1400 with G3 CPU
>>upgrade?  Does anyone (e.g. David Z.) know of any reason (whether based on
>>experience or not) why a PB1400 with G3/233 would run MSP slower than a
new
>>desktop G3/233?
>
>In fact,has anyone tried any of the Newer Technology MAXpowr G3 upgrade
>cards -especially for the 7100 -with MSP. Should this work with a
>7100,David Z?
>Regards,
>NJC

I have a PowerLogix G3 300/150/1 running on a PPC7500 with 170Mg RAM - MSP
and IRCAM Spat work fine though I haven't thoroughly tested yet.  Few weird
crashes occasionally but hey, what's new there?

_______________________________________

NIGEL FRAYNE
MELBOURNE
AUSTRALIA

nfrayne@netspace.net.au
_______________________________________

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Date:    Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:22:20 -0500
From:    Ed Hartley 
Subject: Re: Sys-Ex

> One good way to record sysex is to use the table object. It
> has a message "load" (in all versions of Max, but only documented
> in the 3.5 manual) that puts it into a mode where successive
> incoming numbers in its left inlet are stored at successive indices.
> By making the table bigger in advance and then putting it in
> "load" mode, it's easy to get a sysex dump from the outlet of
> the midiin object. The "normal" message restores the table object's
> usual behavior.

So how should I get the data out again? Should I just use a metro and
counter
scheme and experiment with the speed?

Ed Hartley

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Date:    Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:26:48 -0400
From:    Stephen Kay 
Subject: UNAUTHORIZED NOTE DUMP

>Well, I'm running MAX 3.0 on a powerbook 160: pretty old,
>I know.  Anyway, I start my "algorithm" with a toggle =

>switch, and the first thing I hear before I hear what I
>want to hear is a 0.5 second "note dump" of all MIDI =

>channels playing a beautiful chaos (heard immediately =

>upon pressing the toggle switch ON or OFF).  While I =

>like beautiful chaos, I like to regulate it as well.  Any =

>ideas on what's causing this and/or how to get rid of it?  =

>greg hall

Well, I replied to this last time, and I'll do it again.  It's
pretty hard to expect someone to comment when all you've
described is a vague "algorithm that starts with a toggle switch".
What does it do?  What objects are being used?  Is there anything
used to temporarily store data before it is sent out, that could
have uninitialized bogus data in it when the patch is first opened?

Can't you "trap" anything that's sending MIDI to the outside world
and figure out what is getting sent out?  Max patchers rarely
(if ever) generate what you are describing suddenly "on their own";
it must be something in the way that it was programmed that is
sending some spurious data out at the beginning.  Once again,
*you* have control over where the data goes out.  If you are
using noteouts or midiouts, then monitor the data as it goes
out for clues as to what is causing the chaos.

Stephen Kay  =

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Date:    Thu, 15 Oct 1998 19:39:51 +0100
From:    dominic robson 
Subject: filename object

Is there an object that will allow me using the standard Mac read file
dialog to load and be able to access just the filename chosen  so that i
can use it not only to read the file into a buffer but also display it and
store it. Im sure theres a very obvious way of doing this that im
overlooking....

Thanks in advance for any top tips....

Dominic Robson

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Date:    Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:13:08 +1000
From:    overlobe@OZEMAIL.COM.AU
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 13 Oct 1998 to 14 Oct 1998 (#1998-36)

>i recall some time ago a discussion about max and the web.  can somebody
>tune me in about what's out there.  is it possible to launch a max patch
>on a web site?

i did a remote midi gig and tried to use the st rainstick internet_TCP/IP
object, but my programming just wasn't up to it and i found their app
midiTjet a HEAP more stable.. it werks!
http://valley.interact.nl/av/org/rainst/MidiTjet.html
this performance wasn't from a website though, but real time (sorta i
suppose) ppp/midi. using gs synths at either end for sound reference.

i've wondered for a while if a kind of plugin for max colls embedded in
html documents could be developed? ..  or maybe you could use MAxPlay as a
helper from the browser..
it's not as transparent as it should be..  but..

>did anybody succeded in sending Midi data from Max to Studio vision Pro
>3.5 (and vice-versa) using the IAC bus. How should I setup the sync
>parameters in SVP ?

you will also have to create an "instrument" in svp for each discrete IAC
channel. and use the latest oms.. i always had crashes with old versions
(2.3.1 etc)

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Date:    Fri, 16 Oct 1998 01:17:38 GMT
From:    Matthew Ostrowski 
Subject: Re: duration from buffer~

>Dear MAXers!
>
>This might be a stupid question: How do I get the duration of a sndfile
>read into a buffer~ automatically - *without* opening the object by
>double-clicking and clicking or dragging over the sample?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>
>   Dr. Karlheinz Essl - Composer
>   Vienna / Austria
>   Studio for Advanced Music & Media Technology
>   http://www.essl.at/

use the 'replace' command instead of 'read' when you load the soundfile.

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