Subject: MAX Digest - 9 Oct 1998 (#1998-28)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:00:00 -0400
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Topics of the day:

  1. video sampler
  2. Video Sampler (3)
  3. proletarii vsekh stran... (2)
  4. More Off Topic: recording
  5. MSP and PB 1400 w/ G3 upgrade

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Date:    Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:58:15 -0400
From:    Jeff Mann 
Subject: Re: video sampler

Peter Elsea  wrote:

>We've degenerated into [...] reviews of video cards.

Hey, I resent that! You might as well have said
"| perm!t zom1 2 vom!t"... Chris, please kick Peter off the list :-)

Some of us think working with full-screen video is a good thing, and
we're trying to figure out how to make it work. I really appreciate
having this forum to do that, and thanks to everyone who has posted info
and reports about various hardware and experiences - please keep them
coming.

I've contacted the developer of the Firemax DV driver for QuickTime,
still trying to see if it would be possible to make it work with Max but
no luck so far. I'll keep you posted...


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Date:    Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:13:59 -0400
From:    Jeff Mann 
Subject: Re: Video Sampler

Bill Vorn  wrote:
> As I'm planning to use the QT movie object to output video thru a Media100
> video card, I would like to know if it's possible to get this object to
> play from RAM instead of direct-from-disk. Disk access is too slow to
> realize video "granular synthesis" and fast loops.

Hi all - Bill, have you got it working with the Media 100 card yet? Have
you tried using a RAM disk for better performance?

I did some tests of this last year, granular-video type stuff, using an
old Digital Film board, with a certain amount of success. One thing was
not to use the "play" command, but to index through frames with a metro.
That means no audio, but the video response is quite good and I could
get some very tight loops. It seems like QuickTime buffers a certain
part of the file into memory anyways, so I was able to scrub and loop
very well within a particular moment of video. I can't remember whether
using a RAM disk helped or not. But so far, I'm not convinced that disk
access is too slow for fast loops; I think it's more to do with the way
the movie object works.

One thing that's interesting is that using Premiere (or an Avid), you
can scrub video *and* audio with very good response, even playing from
the disk, using hardware compression cards. So this makes me think it
might be possible to modify the Max video object to do the same thing.
I'm going to look into hiring someone to do this. Or maybe David Z. will
just send me a new one that does everything I want :-)

I'd be interested to know more about what you're doing with this, and
what you learn about it, as I'm going to be doing some work in this area
myself. I'm organizing some seminars and workshops in November/December
at InterAccess in Toronto on this subject, interactive video
installation and performance. Please drop me an e-mail if you're
interested.


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Date:    Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:56:23 -0400
From:    David Crandall 
Subject: Re: Video Sampler

I'm also interested in gaining audio scrub capability with the movie or
imovie objects, so please let me know if anything develops.

thanks,

dc

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Date:    Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:13:53 -0700
From:    David Zicarelli 
Subject: Re: Video Sampler

Bill Vorn  writes:

>As I'm planning to use the QT movie object to output video thru a Media100
>video card, I would like to know if it's possible to get this object to
>play from RAM instead of direct-from-disk. Disk access is too slow to
>realize video "granular synthesis" and fast loops.

After fainting and having a panic attack during a "performance" by
the "band" Granular Synthesis a few years ago, I'm not completely
sure I want to support this sort of activity, but I will point
out that Quicktime movies are pretty much a disk-based format.
There are some commands for loading part of a movie into RAM
that I might be able to explore. One idea might be to create a
RAM disk and put the movies you want on it.

It might also be necessary to save the movie in some form that
doesn't use compression or use some special kind of compression, so
you can get frame-by-frame access. Compression tends to bunch a
set of frames together, limiting where you can do "random
access" in a movie.

David Z.

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Date:    Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:20:38 -0800
From:    dudas 
Subject: proletarii vsekh stran...

Chris Murtaugh writes:
> I live in a democracy, to me this means

Cool.  I don't think I've ever been so fortunate to even visit a democracy,
let alone live in one. I have played in a string quartet, though.

I think it's amazing how much discussion your removal of =cw4t7abs from the
list has caused. Wouldn't it be funny if one day we discovered that her
real identity was Stephen Kay? That would be the ultimate irony.

-R

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Date:    Fri, 9 Oct 1998 21:02:07 -0400
From:    Tommy DOG 
Subject: More Off Topic: recording

Times New RomanI run a professional
recording studio and always looking to book interesting artists.

As I am not interested in SPAMMING, I simply direct you to my studio's
page.

Thanks,

Tommy DOG,

Musical director of The Boom Boom Room

      "DON'T FORGET OR NEGLECT YOUR RIGHT TO VOTE"

      Rev. Tommy DOG, noises and other disruptions

                  http://www.tommydog.com

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Date:    Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:15:09 -0600
From:    Kevin Walker 
Subject: Re: proletarii vsekh stran...

dudas  writes:

>I think it's amazing how much discussion your removal of =cw4t7abs from the
>list has caused. Wouldn't it be funny if one day we discovered that her
>real identity was Stephen Kay? That would be the ultimate irony.

Idea for one of you anti-antiorps: Impersonate, in a very unflattering
manner, the "real" antiorp.  The anonymity of the net makes this quite
feasible, I think.  There are some amusing possibilities here.

And while I'm on the subject, I might as well put in my 2 cents worth...

One the one hand:

* I can't sympathize with anyone who was offended or annoyed by the content
(as opposed to the quantity) of antiorp's posts.  If you don't like them,
don't read them.  He made it easy enough to pass over them without
accidentally decrypting any offensive or annoying ideas.  I believe that in
general, the offended party is almost always the one at fault.  No one can
give you offense if you refuse to take offense.

* I rather enjoyed being part of a list which had occasional bizarre and
stupid postings.  It was quite amusing, even though I usually didn't go to
much trouble to translate 'orps submissions.  It sure beats all this
dreadful discussion of Quicktime and video.

But on the other hand:

* Antiorp was beginning to post more frequently and at greater length.  It
was beginning to become less amusing.

* And in my opinion, there was far from enough worthwhile content to
justify this inordinate bandwidth.

So, to summarize, I think both sides are wrong.  Personally, I would have
waited a bit longer before booting him off the list.

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Date:    Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:20:18 -0600
From:    Kevin Walker 
Subject: MSP and PB 1400 w/ G3 upgrade

Does anyone have any experience using MSP on a Powerbook 1400 with G3 CPU
upgrade?  Does anyone (e.g. David Z.) know of any reason (whether based on
experience or not) why a PB1400 with G3/233 would run MSP slower than a new
desktop G3/233?  Thanks in advance for any replies.

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