Subject: MAX Digest - 6 Oct 1998 to 7 Oct 1998 (#1998-24)
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Topics of the day:

  1. MAX Digest - 4 Oct 1998 to 5 Oct 1998 (#1998-22)
  2. 40+outdatdunevntflma!lz+dze!rprotegez||kap!tal!zm+sk!tzofren!a
  3. midi2voltage & granular timestretch (2)
  4.  (2)
  5. The inevitable has happened.
  6. MAX objects for editing note names?
  7. Antiorp, since you brought it up (2)

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Date:    Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:57:06 +0200
From:    Georg Hajdu 
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 4 Oct 1998 to 5 Oct 1998 (#1998-22)

Dear Maxers,

I would like to bring the following problem with bpatcher to your attention
(I hope I'm not repeating for the nth time what others have said before me).

When you use an abstraction within a bpatcher utilizing the pound sign, you
will notice the following behaviour: the numbers associated with the pound
signs will be decremented if you invoke the paternal patch by
command-option-clicking on the bpatcher window. Saving this window again
might play havoc on your work since #1 is handled quite differently than #0
(which prompts MAX to generate a unique number).

I also noticed something else with bpatcher. If you use lcd with a color
message inside a bpatcher you'll discover that
1. only 48 colors can be displayed (instead of 255) and
2. different colors will show for the same color message.

=2E..at least on my machine running MAX 3.5.9!

Georg

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 Dr. Georg Hajdu

Hochschule f=FCr Musik Detmold,
Abteilung M=FCnster
Ludgeriplatz 1
D-48151 Muenster

e-mail: hajdu@uni-muenster.de
http://www.uni-muenster.de/Musikhochschule/Dozenten/Hajdu/home.html
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Date:    Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:04:45 -0500
From:    =cw4t7abs 
Subject: 40+outdatdunevntflma!lz+dze!rprotegez||kap!tal!zm+sk!tzofren!a

> you cannot respect the majority of people's
>wishes,

 "the majority of people's wishes,"

1. i withdraw my earlier statements in writing about the wishes of people's
majority.
the denial and neglectance of the existence

beg!n max leak rout!n
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when cyberfeminism becomes a term with a retrograde taste to it, i will
call myself a xyberfeminist, using the addition xyber as in cyber in its
most vulgar, hype and seperatist way.

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Date:    Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:57:06 +0000
From:    david stevens 
Subject: midi2voltage & granular timestretch

hi all,

2 questions:

1. how do i go about controlling small electric motors with max? I assume
that i
need some kind of box that does the conversion - is there some place that i
can
buy one ready made?

2. a while ago there was a brief discussion on realtime timestretching. the
conclusion seemed to be that a method using granulation would be the easiest
way
to go. I've tried a search of the list archives, but can find no reference
to
how to go about doing this. can anyone point me to any information on how to
do
this with msp, or would anyone be kind enough to explain how to go about
this?
my apologies if this is a rather newbie kind of question.

thanks

david

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Date:    Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:49:45 -0500
From:    =cw4t7abs 
Subject: 

"Banned in the Media: A Reference Guide to Censorship in the
Press, Motion Pictures, Broadcasting, and the Internet"
by Herbert N. Foerstel
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0313302456/ref=ad_cy1
This comprehensive reference guide to media and Net
censorship examines conflicts over United States First
Amendment issues. Foerstel traces the development of various
media formats, discussing pivotal censorship incidents and
cases that have shaped their development. He focuses on how
a growing number of media outlets are owned and controlled
by a diminishing number of giant corporations. Foerstel
demonstrates how, as a result of this corporate domination,
a lot of censorship occurs without being noticed. Foerstel's
examination of previous media forms, such as the print
press, movies, and broadcasting, gives the issues
surrounding Net freedoms important context.

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Date:    Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:25:12 -0500
From:    =cw4t7abs 
Subject: 

[h]egemony is a ruling class's (or alliance's) domination of
subordinate classes and groups through the elaboration and
penetration of ideology (ideas and assumptions) into their
common sense and everyday practice; it is the systematic
(but not necessarily or even usually deliberate) engineering
of mass consent to the established order. No hard and fast
line can be drawn between the mechanisms of hegemony
and the mechanisms of coercion. . . . In any given society,
hegemony and coercion are interwoven.

> >
> >obsess!onl neuros!z_
>
> m9ndfukc

  deztrukt!on ov relevant kontrol modulez

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Date:    Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:53:28 -0400
From:    Chris Murtagh Hrdc-drhc 
Subject: The inevitable has happened.

This was not desireable, but it had to be done. Sorry.

From: LISTSERV@lists.McGill.CA, on 10/7/98 10:52 AM:
> del max antiorp@tezcat.com
antiorp@TEZCAT.COM has been removed from the MAX list. Notification has
been sent.

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Date:    Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:12:30 -0800
From:    James Livingston 
Subject: MAX objects for editing note names?

>I believe you can get all of that information directly from Opcode.
>Since OMS is trying to become a standard, they have SDK available
>for developers, although I don't have the exact address.  I'd
>check their website.
>

http://www.opcode.com/oms/download_sdk.html

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Date:    Wed, 7 Oct 1998 18:23:29 +0000
From:    Carlton Joseph Wilkinson 
Subject: Antiorp, since you brought it up

It's your list, friend, you do whatever you want with it, but I for one
find your actions a helluva lot more offensive than his. I would have
spoken up sooner, but I had no idea this was even under debate.

I'll give you and the members of the list four points to consider,
ranked as to how important I think they are. Having done this, I will
drop the subject, at least for now.

1. He has earned my respect and continues to earn my respect by not
caving into shallow, routine standards like those you are trying to
apply here and by continuing to be exactly who is. If he had said, or if
he ever says, "I'm sorry, I'll try to keep my posts on the subject from
now on" -- my respect for him would vanish. Worse, with that one cave-in
he'ld have shown us that the antiorp we all knew up to then had all been
nothing but a disposible shtick. My sense is it isn't a shtick. It is a
deliberate choice to live a worthwhile life based on firm principles.
It's a culture of choice, like a religion, that he can't back away from
without losing himself. In that choice, he risks ( and knows it) the
rejection that you just handed him.

2. Antiorp's ideas are only ideas, they're not bombs, they're not
furniture he's asking you to store. They're ideas that you can ignore if
you want or ponder if you want or argue with or about if you want. They
are ideas that stem directly from the conversations on this list and
therefore are relevant to this list.

3. You imply that you've given him every opportunity to participate. But
you haven't. You've given him every opportunity to conform--which on
principle he can't do. His participation requires his voice, and his
thorny, difficult speech and confrontational, sometimes derisive style.

4. It seems right, what you've done, but it's not right. The illusion of
rightness is you hiding behind a common, thoughtless acceptance of
standards of how a community should operate in its own best interests.
But I tell you, order is not always in a community's best interests.
Let's say that again: Order is not always in a community's best
interests. The discourse needs to be preserved--we need to be challenged
on our basic assumptions, not in some "appropriate," rarified
philosophical forum, but where and as differences occur.

--Carlton Joseph Wilkinson

"If this is the case, and you cannot respect the majority of people's
wishes, I shall have to ask you to leave." --Christopher Murtagh

"reszpekt = bas!s ov ras!zm. fasc!zm. kap!tal!zm"--=cw4t7abs

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Date:    Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:23:09 -0400
From:    David Crandall 
Subject: Re: Antiorp, since you brought it up

Yes! what he said, and well put, too.  I second the notion.

dc

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Date:    Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:28:28 +0800
From:    Xavier Chabot 
Subject: Re: midi2voltage & granular timestretch

david stevens wrote:
>
>
> 1. how do i go about controlling small electric motors with max? I assume
that i
> need some kind of box that does the conversion - is there some place that
i can
> buy one ready made?

see the handyboard specificaly designed for robotic projects. it is straight
forward to interface it to Max through a serial port (and use the other
serial
port for MIDI)
it must be programmed in C (interactive C). I think you can find suppliers
for
the UK as well.

  http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/

-- xavier

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